Blue Jays Discussion: It's here! it's here! it's here! it's here! Baseball season begins!(WARNING:post 728)

[Cor]

He didn't grab him, just touched his foot.

He very clearly grabbed his foot/ankle.

Not too mention he made no attempt to stay on the base.

 

[Natey]

I see it one way.

Bautista clearly interfered with Forsythe.

However, reading the rule doesn't seem clear to me. It needs to be more black and white.

Aub, can you explain the rule clearly as depicted?

 

[Eyedea]

On the bright side, game's at 1 tomorrow and we're facing Moore.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

The problem is that the rule, as written says that if you do a "bona fide" slide (all three parts), you won't be called for interference.

And while in an extreme example (like, if Bautista reached out intentionally), sure, but Bautista was sliding with his hands up and his hands just so happened to run into Forsyth. And the rule clarifies that the slider is allowed contact if the fielder is in the slider's legal pathway.

So...does Bautista's legal pathway include where he holds up his hands? Is it up to Forsyth to get out of the way?

Either way, they need to clarify the rule imo.

EDIT: Rewatched it, that one angle Bautista clearly reaches out. The problem is that this seems legal according to the new rule...so we need a clarification.

 

[Cor]

For those that haven't seen the slide:

He clearly grabbed him.

He also turned his entire body away from the bag while he was doing it.


Jose Goofed.

Can we move on? There will be 59 more losses for us to be upset about.

 

[tp71]

He broke a rule.

You've never been allowed to grab an opposing player.

159 games left, nothing to be salty about. Jose just goofed.

How did he grab him if his palm was facing the ground?

 

[BertCorbeau]

How did he grab him if his palm was facing the ground?

More like a stiff arm really... Hardly did anything to affect the throw.

Just a crappy way to end the ball game

 

[Muston Atthews]

He very clearly grabbed his foot/ankle.

Not too mention he made no attempt to stay on the base.

He was in arms length of the bag and was out. As Jose said, why would he stay on the bag if he was out?

 

[Divine]

He clearly grabbed him.

He also turned his entire body away from the bag while he was doing it.


Jose Goofed.

Can we move on? There will be 59 more losses for us to be upset about.

I think it appears that way cause that GIF slows down when he makes contact with the foot to make it appear prolonged.

Here's another view:

 

[Cor]

I think it appears that way cause that GIF slows down when he makes contact with the foot to make it appear prolonged.

Here's another view:

I still see it.

He makes a clear quick grab of his leg.

 

[Cor]

He was in arms length of the bag and was out. As Jose said, why would he stay on the bag if he was out?

He moved away from the bag while he was still sliding.

Complete your slide, get up and walk back to the dug out.


Clear as day.

 

[Brown Dog]

That was awesome. I always say we need more games decided by video replay interpretations of esoteric rules. Yeah!

 

[Canada4Gold]

He was in arms length of the bag and was out. As Jose said, why would he stay on the bag if he was out?

that's where the rule is stupid. I have 2 issues with the rule

He shouldn't have to stay on the base when he's out. He should have to make a slide where he could potentially stay on the base if he needs to(i.e, not slide 3 or 4 feet past the base in an attempt to contact the field hard)

A little contact should be allowed, the whole point of the rule is to not violently hurt the fielder. If you slide into the base, before the base and your slide is such that you can stay on the base(if you needed to) then a little soft contact with the fielder should be allowed.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Rule 6.01(i) -- Sliding to Bases on Double Play Attempts
If a runner does not engage in a bona fide slide, and initiates (or attempts to make) contact with the fielder for the purpose of breaking up a double play, he should be called for interference under this Rule 6.01. A "bona fide slide" for purposes of Rule 6.01 occurs when the runner:

(1) begins his slide (i.e., makes contact with the ground) before reaching the base;
(2) is able and attempts to reach the base with his hand or foot;
(3) is able and attempts to remain on the base (except home plate) after completion of the slide; and
(4) slides within reach of the base without changing his pathway for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder.

The rule FYI

The only clear violation was (3) ... I don't think sticking his arm out would constitute changing his pathway to the base.

 

[bobermay]

I still see it.

He makes a clear quick grab of his leg.

But is that 'changing pathways'?

 

[bobermay]

He moved away from the bag while he was still sliding.

Complete your slide, get up and walk back to the dug out.


Clear as day.

But did he not do this AFTER contact was made?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Certainly a learning process with this play. You can tell Bautista didn't have a damn clue about the technicalities so I don't fault him. It's a damn shame that it decided the game. You have to wonder how often this will happen over the next few months and if it will reach a boiling point with the players...

 

[Leafsdude7]

Would everyone agree at least that it was really dumb of the MLB to enact a rule 1 week before the season starts without using it in any preseason games first?

Misunderstandings and failures of the application of the rule were pretty much guaranteed when they did something as stupid as that.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Would everyone agree at least that it was really dumb of the MLB to enact a rule 1 week before the season starts without using it in any preseason games first?

Misunderstandings and failures of the application of the rule were pretty much guaranteed when they did something as stupid as that.

We actually won one of our last pre season games on this rule.

 

[thehockeysong]

He moved away from the bag while he was still sliding.

Complete your slide, get up and walk back to the dug out.


Clear as day.

That's not what interference in baseball is though. Contact isn't an issue. Going through the bag a bit was probably what made them go crazy about the arm.

 

[EpochLink]

Yuck, bullpen blew it at the end.
Oh well onto tomorrow

 

[pooleboy]

Lol just lol.


This is the way the world works now, it sucks....

He did grab him and interfered, so the call was correct however it's dumb that is how it's being called now

 

[King Mapes]

He broke a rule.

You've never been allowed to grab an opposing player.

159 games left, nothing to be salty about. Jose just goofed.

Have you ever watched baseball before? Players break up double plays like that all the time, this is a new rule.

 

[Sokil]

I think it appears that way cause that GIF slows down when he makes contact with the foot to make it appear prolonged.

Here's another view:

honestly when you look at it like that it looks like he's making a fist so his hand doesnt get stepped on / injured (and if he makes contact in doing so, okay, whatever, thats how slides work)

 

[Muston Atthews]

I have a feeling this will lead to a lot more reviews on plays at second.