Speculation: Its going to be a seller's market at the deadline for Top 4Dmen- Who will be available??

[CycloneSweep]

Nurse should be available.

 

[Goptor]

There isn't usually that much buyers for top4 Dmen. Teams that have a hole in their top 4 usually drop out of contention throughout the year.

Its the bottom pair guys that are constantly in demand.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Seems like quite the buyers market reading this thread.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Matheson and Savard from MTL.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Why would Dobson be available?

As a young RFA, if he wants to get paid what he's worth, the NYI are the worst team for that.

They have more than enough NTC's.

 

[Djp]

Hockey pundits/experts are predicting that this year's trade deadline will be a sellers' market for those who are willing to unload a top 4 Dmen.

The theory is that the demand will be high but the supply will be short. Not only will there be plenty of playoff and contending teams looking to add top 4Dmen but it sounds like there are rebuilding teams like Mtl who also want to add.

This would be a great year for those selling a top 4 dmen and the return should be significant compared to other years.

Having said that, which big name top 4 Dmen will be available?

If you have say 24 teams still in the hunt for a WC spot it will limit the market. At the same time teams are not going to trade 1st rounders unless they feel they are top6 in the league safely in the playoffs.


It also depends on who is outside and what they even have to sell. Some teams dont have much

 

[Leafs87]

*DISCLAIMER - not all of these guys are top 4 guys I'm strictly choosing teams who I believe could miss, and have guys available with less than 2 years on their deal.

My guess for defenders that will be on the market if these teams:

From Eastern Conference Teams:
Pittsburgh - Marcus Pettersson, Matt Grzelcyk
Columbus - Ivan Provorov, Eric Gudbranson?, Jack Johnson
Montreal - David Savard
Philadelphia - Eric Johnson

+ maybe

NYI - Mike Reilly
Detroit - Ben Chiarot, Jeff Petry, Olli Maatta
Ottawa - Travis Hamonic
Buffalo - Connor Clifton, Henri Jokiharju

From Western Conference Teams
Anaheim - Cam Fowler?? (unlikely), Brian Dumoulin, Urho Vaakanainen
Chicago - Connor Murphy??, Alec Martinez
Seattle - Jamie Oleksiak??, Josh Mahura, William Borgen
SJ - Cody Ceci, Jan Rutta,

+ maybe

Calgary - Rasmus Andersson?? (unlikely), Tyson Barrie
LA - Vladislav Gavrikov, Andreas Englund
Minnesota - Jacob Middleton, Zach Bogosian, John Merrill
St Louis - Nick Leddy, Ryan Suter
Utah - Ian Cole, Robert Bortuzzo

I know you mentioned they’re not all top 4, but that list has very few top 4 d men on it. Even less when you take away guys who likely won’t be available

 

[Leviathan]

Cam Fowler is definitely getting moved

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Hawks should be looking at moving Murphy

Murphy at 50% retention would see him with $2.2M Cap hit for next season which would have a lot of additional value to contender on top of him potentially in playoff run this year

Hawks got a 1st round pick for retaining 50% on McCabe

 

[HuGort]

Hockey pundits/experts are predicting that this year's trade deadline will be a sellers' market for those who are willing to unload a top 4 Dmen.

The theory is that the demand will be high but the supply will be short. Not only will there be plenty of playoff and contending teams looking to add top 4Dmen but it sounds like there are rebuilding teams like Mtl who also want to add.

This would be a great year for those selling a top 4 dmen and the return should be significant compared to other years.

Having said that, which big name top 4 Dmen will be available?

What would Seattle want for Adam Larsson?

 

[lanceuppercut75]

What would Seattle want for Adam Larsson?

They just extended him. I think if they were going to move out a defenseman, it would be Borgen as a rental, with a SMALL chance of also moving Oleksiak. Dunn Montour Larsson Evans aren't going anywhere IMO.

 

[Gliff]

Reports are that Fowler is open to going beyond his NTC to facilitate a trade.

I expect him to be moved at the deadline.

 

[Rec T]

Reports are that Fowler is open to going beyond his NTC to facilitate a trade.

I expect him to be moved at the deadline.

By the deadline he'll have his 1k games as a Duck (barring injury between now & then). I can easily see him being willing to waive if it's to a true contender. He knows very well who's coming up the pipeline behind him.

 

[Armourboy]

Please someone get Barry Trotz to trade Fabbro so he can actually play, and for the love of god take Lauzon. I don't know who we get to fill in but frankly I don't care.

 

[PelagicJoe]

Not that these guys are exactly prime top 4 material, but I'm sure Yzerman will move one of Holl, Maatta, or Gustavsson (I hope). I'd say Petry too he waives his NTC.

 

[Benstheman]

The only real top 4 RHD who might be disponible is Rasmus Andersson. But i think he will be traded this off season when it is possible to extend him. Calgary will get more in return that way.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Pettersson for sure...

If it was up to me, I'd trade Letang and EK as well

There's rumblings out of Vancouver that Allvin and JR are once again trying to get ahead of the other teams and have the cap and assets to make a splash.

Seravelli the hack named Pettersson and Anderson as the main guys they covet .
Soucy has been shockingly bad and him and Myers have no Chemistry.

I think Soucy turns it around but he's more of a #5 and Pettersson imo would be a great addition to the top four.
What kind package do you think Dubas is looking for?

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Way to early for this thread

Not really. Nucks GM is always aggressive and has 2.5 million in cap and more once Silovs and another dman gets waived.

Our 2nd pair has struggled, Forbort looks meh and upgrading the D was always the plan

 

[viper0220]

Calgary might be set for the next decade if they decided to move both Weegar and Rasmus Andersson

I would absolutely love it, if the Flames traded away both Weegar and Rasmus Andersson.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Habs would very easily beat that

Habs don't have a better dman prospect then Willander and besides they aren't anywhere near close enough to competing to be adding players that cost a ton.

I also think that Dobson would get at least one more big piece if Vancouver tried for him which they wouldn't because Dobson wouldn't get the type of minutes here.

We need a guy that is a number 3-4 who doesn't need to be an 8 million dollar dman but one getting paid four that is playing like an 8 million one (Anderson) would be awesome. Ideally just a solid dependable guy that can move the puck in the middle pair is all this team is missing, based on the first eight games.

 

[Petes2424]

When is there a bumper crop of top 4 defencemen available?

It seems like they've been in demand for my entire (not insignificant) life.

This is a great one, when we talk about the change in hockey terminology these days.

We have this new breed and generation of fan, and even some younger guys in the media, who misinterpret what the term “Top 4 Dman” actually means (to some) today, from what it used to mean for decades.. Actually what it still means in hockey circles.

It used to mean to all fans and media as well….. A top dman, who would play in everyone’s Top 4, in every circumstance. Didn’t matter what team. Basically a Dman who could “Carry a Pairing.”

For example, Larry Murphy wasn’t considered a “Top 4” Dman in the late 90s, just because he played with Nick Lidstrom for a couple hundred straight games. He wouldn’t have played in Toronto’s Top 4 and Toronto wasn’t anywhere near winning cups, like Detroit was. Today, there’s fans who would call him a top pairing Dman, because he technically played on Detroit’s top pairing every year.

Today, because fans are so literal, they’d call him a Top 4 Dman. To the point they’d be upset and argue if you tried to correct them. We’ve all tried.

In hockey terms, It doesn’t mean someone who plays in a Top 4 with a good/great partner, or on the Sharks for example. It still doesn’t when scouts, etc, say “top 4 Dman.” Those bloggers and vloggers misinterpret it a lot as well..

The ONLY Top 4 Dman who we know is on the market is Cam Fowler. An aging one, but still a legit Top 4 Dman. When he’s traded, he’ll either carry a second pairing, or more likely (at this stage of his career) be a supporting Top 4 Dman. He’s gonna play in someone’s Top 4. Good bet it’s Detroit’s coincidentally.

 

[JPeeper]

When/if the wheels fall of for the Flames, Andersson being dealt is still only 50/50 at best. The guy is either getting traded or signing for $70 mil and becoming the next Flames captain, I'm leaning towards the latter the more time that passes. Weegar has a NTC for 7 years, he won't be moved especially if Anderrson is.

Barrie will be moved, but I wouldn't call him a top 4 guy.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Habs don't have a better dman prospect then Willander and besides they aren't anywhere near close enough to competing to be adding players that cost a ton.

I also think that Dobson would get at least one more big piece if Vancouver tried for him which they wouldn't because Dobson wouldn't get the type of minutes here.

We need a guy that is a number 3-4 who doesn't need to be an 8 million dollar dman but one getting paid four that is playing like an 8 million one (Anderson) would be awesome. Ideally just a solid dependable guy that can move the puck in the middle pair is all this team is missing, based on the first eight games.

Both Mailloux and Reinbacher are probably more valuable than Willander. Montreal also has the better depth at D to mix up a quantity for quality offer better than Vancouver. They also have a better F depth prospect in Beck, Roy, Kapanen and Hage and have more (and better) draft picks to offer value to NYI.

Dobson being available is a pipe dream. At 24, he would bring stability on both side of the rink on the right side - which Montreal need badly

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

There isn't usually that much buyers for top4 Dmen. Teams that have a hole in their top 4 usually drop out of contention throughout the year.

Its the bottom pair guys that are constantly in demand.

This is true but we've still seen some top 4 guys get dealt around the trade deadline in recent years.

McDonagh, Yandle, Oduya, Bogosian, etc.

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

If the Flyers had any brains, they would move Sanheim. He would be a very good add to pretty much every team.

He has a full NMC but he has been excellent this year and worth his salary so far. If he decided to waive and they were to move him I don’t think it’d just be a cap dump I think they could get solid assets back. I don’t see him waiving though or them asking him too. Especially when they just resigned his best bud TK to an 8 year deal.