Blue Jays Discussion: It's a bird, it's a plane, it's Kevin Pillar!

[walrus]

Anybody know what Morales's status is? Day to day or worse? I know he was having an MRI

 

[theaub]

Yeah, we should draw the line at MVP/Championship. Anyone who hasn't won an MVP is a failure, as is any team that doesn't win the championship. Nothing else is worth appreciating, and the emotional attachment fans develop to players means nothing.

I went through that post and was like 'man Edwin definitely was the best DH in 2015 how did he not win a silver slugger?'

Player A: .290/.362/.485, .364 wOBA, 131 wRC+, 22 HR, 106 RBI
Player B: .277/.372/.557, .392 wOBA, 150 wRC+, 39 HR, 111 RBI

Player A (the winner) is our current DH, player B is Edwin.

...how?

Also while I'm here

The leafs got it figured out. You want to be celebrated. You better win.

Did they forget to do this for the past 50 years, or is there an alternative timeline that I'm missing?

 

[Discoverer]

I went through that post and was like 'man Edwin definitely was the best DH in 2015 how did he not win a silver slugger?'

Player A: .290/.362/.485, .364 wOBA, 131 wRC+, 22 HR, 106 RBI
Player B: .277/.372/.557, .392 wOBA, 150 wRC+, 39 HR, 111 RBI

Player A (the winner) is our current DH, player B is Edwin.

...how?

Also while I'm here



Did they forget to do this for the past 50 years, or is there an alternative timeline that I'm missing?

The only thing I can possibly think of is that they felt his 59 games at 1B was enough to consider him there. I don't know. Award voting tends to be pretty stupid.

 

[zeke]

Spending money in free agency is a bad idea....who knew! Maybe if we had better MLB ready prospects we wouldn't need to fill in the gaps with free agents...

good call, none of the top teams spend money on free agents.

 

[Eyedea]

It's because silver slugger awards are determined by coaches and managers. Other coaches probably thought that Encarnacion was "receiving support" in the lineup because the team was talent laden, and thus didn't deserve it as much as a do-it-all bat in Morales.

 

[nilan30]

So what is the story with Brett Lawrie? Is he really that bad that he can't find a job in baseball? Or is he unwilling to play minor league ball?

 

[Bad News Benning]

good call, none of the top teams spend money on free agents.

Free agency is great for the players but horrible for the teams that get stuck with massive anchors. Do you really think spending money on in free agency or on players the wrong side of 30 is a good idea?

The jays want to get younger and more athletic but that's difficult to do unless it comes from within. There was no young athletic players ready to step in so short term deals to older free agents is the result.

I Don't know if Shapiro ran over your dog but you clearly have an agenda here for whatever reason.

 

[Eyedea]

Free agency is great for the players but horrible for the teams that get stuck with massive anchors. Do you really think spending money on in free agency or on players the wrong side of 30 is a good idea?

The jays want to get younger and more athletic but that's difficult to do unless it comes from within. There was no young athletic players ready to step in so short term deals to older free agents is the result.

I Don't know if Shapiro ran over your dog but you clearly have an agenda here for whatever reason.

If dog is slang term for AA, yes.

 

[GoonieFace]

good call, none of the top teams spend money on free agents.

Its a shame the Jays didnt sign Fowler

 

[zeke]

Free agency is great for the players but horrible for the teams that get stuck with massive anchors. Do you really think spending money on in free agency or on players the wrong side of 30 is a good idea?

I dunno, ask the teams that win world series.

 

[Eyedea]

I dunno, ask the teams that win world series.

Ask teams that finish in last place too!

 

[The Nemesis]

So what is the story with Brett Lawrie? Is he really that bad that he can't find a job in baseball? Or is he unwilling to play minor league ball?

He didn't play at all during the spring and had a very vague injury problem that was only being called "lower body muscle pain". The White Sox officially cited a desire to get younger and explore their other options coming up through the system as the reason behind his release.

It's possible that there's some sort of continuing injury problem dogging him, or it could be that his oft-rumored attitude issues or lengthy injury history are scaring teams away. Even at his worst over the last couple years he's at least a slightly-above- replacement level player with a good 3B glove and a salvagable short-term 2B one. That would surely be enough for some team to take a chance on him on a cheap deal for bench depth if there's nothing else making him unpalatable.

 

[Bad News Benning]

I dunno, ask the teams that win world series.

The teams that have won the world series lately are full of cheap controllable talent. Long term free agent contracts might work for a year or two but eventually they will come back to bite you in the ass.

You can't buy a world series or build a successful team through free agency.

 

[zeke]

The teams that have won the world series lately are full of cheap controllable talent. .

hmm, let's check the payrolls.

 

[nilan30]

He didn't play at all during the spring and had a very vague injury problem that was only being called "lower body muscle pain". The White Sox officially cited a desire to get younger and explore their other options coming up through the system as the reason behind his release.

It's possible that there's some sort of continuing injury problem dogging him, or it could be that his oft-rumored attitude issues or lengthy injury history are scaring teams away. Even at his worst over the last couple years he's at least a slightly-above- replacement level player with a good 3B glove and a salvagable short-term 2B one. That would surely be enough for some team to take a chance on him on a cheap deal for bench depth if there's nothing else making him unpalatable.

Thanks for the info!

 

[Bad News Benning]

hmm, let's check the payrolls.

Do you really think that cubs team won because they were paying Heyward a bunch of money to chase butterflies?

That cubs team had a bunch of dead weight on its payroll but was carried by a lot of cheap underpaid players.

 

[Edo]

Can't tell if trolling so I'll respond seriously

Kendrys Morales is currently making $11M. He is currently a negative player in every single WAR component.

Not sure why anybody would even bring up WAR for a DH. Again, his contract is market value for a guy who hits 30 HR w/ 100 RBI. Something that he's on pace for.

What do you think a DH on his contract should produce? 45+ HR 130+ RBI? Come on.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Smoak 98wrc+
Morales 96wrc+
Pearce 59wrc+
Bautista 57wrc+
(Coghlan 57wrc+)
(Maile -17wrc+)
(Salty -80wrc+)

what's that, like $40m?

Of which roughly half is attributed to Bautista....whom (I can't believe no one has mentioned) you wanted to "get in a room with Edwin and both agents, and give them anything they asked for."

imagine how that 5 year $100MM deal would look right now. Probably about as good as the 6 more years you're hypothetically paying Price in your dream world.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Not sure why anybody would even bring up WAR for a DH. Again, his contract is market value for a guy who hits 30 HR w/ 100 RBI. Something that he's on pace for.

What do you think a DH on his contract should produce? 45+ HR 130+ RBI? Come on.

120 wRC+.

 

[theaub]

Not sure why anybody would even bring up WAR for a DH. Again, his contract is market value for a guy who hits 30 HR w/ 100 RBI. Something that he's on pace for.

What do you think a DH on his contract should produce? 45+ HR 130+ RBI? Come on.

Kendrys Morales is on pace to be a below league average hitter. If that's the value you're looking for when you spend $11M on a guy who's only job is to hit, then I am rather glad you don't run this team.

Dude is basically doing his impersonation of 1996 Joe Carter right now.

 

[Canada4Gold]

120 wRC+.

who cares about wRC+, tell us what you want in terms of RBI's.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I think Morales will rake, eventually.

 

[habamillions]

I dont use war and all those garbage stats. Just watch a guy. You can see if he can still play or not. Morales can bautista cannot. Clutch hitting is where id give the extra money to a guy. This team clutch hitting is a problem. I dont mean home runs either.

 

[zeke]

Do you really think that cubs team won because they were paying Heyward a bunch of money to chase butterflies?

That cubs team had a bunch of dead weight on its payroll but was carried by a lot of cheap underpaid players.

poor jays were stuck with controllable chumps like donaldson, stroman, sanchez, osuna, pillar, travis......

 

[Eyedea]

poor jays were stuck with controllable chumps like donaldson, stroman, sanchez, osuna, pillar, travis......

Bryant, Rizzo, Russell, Baez, Contreras + Hendricks and Arrieta.

Then add Schwarber, Carl Edwards Jr., and now Almora.