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zeke

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the biggest piece of news from tonight's game is that Buck Martinez......

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....SAID HE NO LONGER BELIEVES WINS AND LOSSES ARE A GOOD WAY TO JUDGE PITCHERS!
 
Kurtz

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The Nemesis said:
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When you end your post with "rather it is yet another deficiency with modern analytics." you clearly carry the implication that you started with a belief that analytics are faulty and deficient, and that intangibles are real and impactful and then interpreted the available facts so your hypothesis and conclusion could meet in the middle.
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Well, yes. Forgive me if I merely implied it, because it was meant to be a statement of fact. Modern baseball analytics suffer from a myriad deficiencies, most notably, imo in how they measure defense and high-leverage BP work. These aspects are being improved upon, but they are still lacking. Baseball analytics are still in their relative infancy, and are, as we speak, being worked on. To argue that they are yet deficient is...foolish. Likewise, intangibles are real, as we all seem to agree on now, and if we're to yet reliably measure their influence, that is indeed a deficiency that may or may not be addressed in the future.

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And the fact that all you took from my comment was that the mere mention of a mythical creature in it somehow serves to devalue the statement I was making reflects more poorly on your ability to logically reason things
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Not at all, in fact I addressed your point in detail. Perhaps you missed my post addressing you, because the post you quoted did address a different poster...
 

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Kurtz said:
I can respect that. And yeah, 18 seems a tad high.

But I still don't follow your Mars analogy.
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Inability to accomplish something (quantifying intangibles/putting a man on Mars) shouldn't be viewed as a failing or weakness of the field as a whole (analytics/science). I never said it was a good analogy, but I stand by it.
 

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zeke said:
the biggest piece of news from tonight's game is that Buck Martinez......

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....SAID HE NO LONGER BELIEVES WINS AND LOSSES ARE A GOOD WAY TO JUDGE PITCHERS!
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I'll be more impressed if he stands by it in the future. He always talks about wins not being everything whenever someone with good numbers and few wins is pitching. Wait until Tanaka's on the mound. I would be shocked if we don't get a "His numbers aren't great so far, but he's 3-1 and a pitcher's job is to win games."
 

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zeke said:
all 100% true. every bit of it.

yet still isn't a good justification to ignore psychological aspects of athletic competition.
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I still don't think many people are ignoring it. We're just not as open to randomly assigning a number to it, so we're trying to use the stuff we actually know in this discussion.

Personally, I just think you're using it as a convenient way to fill in a gap to suit your argument.
 
The Nemesis

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zeke said:
the biggest piece of news from tonight's game is that Buck Martinez......

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....SAID HE NO LONGER BELIEVES WINS AND LOSSES ARE A GOOD WAY TO JUDGE PITCHERS!
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Except he said it was so as a result of greater bullpen usage an starters coming out of games earlier and more often.

Sort of a right for the wrong reasons type of thing.
 
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Borucki struck out the first 7 hitters today for Dunedin. Then the next 2 guys had to ruin it by grounding out.

Lane Thomas also hit a HR. He's had a really nice start to the year after being fairly disappointing since being drafted. But has been promoted despite that and is still pretty young for Dunedin.
 
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Gets another 2 outs in the 4th including a K and then gets pulled from the game. Not sure if he was on a pitch count of what. I didn't think so. But 11 hitters faced, 11 outs, 9 K's, it certainly wasn't results based.

I kinda wanted to see how many K's he could get, oh well.
 
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McMatthews said:
Who the hell is Bradley Jones and why is he dominating in Lansing?

Only 21 years old.
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1B/2B/3B, so far he's split time at 2B with Gudino and takes over at 3B for Vlad when he's resting/DHing. Had a really good sophomore year in 2015 where he was top 5 in the conference in OPS and 7th in homers, wasn't as good in his junior year but Jays seemed to really like him and have had quite a big focus on Charleston in recent years. Gunnar Heidt was drafted from that college back in 2014, and so was Carl Wise in 2015. Has quite a bit of swing and miss but power seems like a big tool of his, plus the probable flexibility/versatility around the infield.
 
Eyedea

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Radiohead said:
Anyone read this article?

Sad to think about what happened to Ricky's career. So much promise.
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I remember when him breaking up with Rima Fakih was the big speculation surrounding his mental problems. At least he salvaged a bust-worthy minor league career into an all-star appearance and $29.9 million career earnings. 6th overall pick and he repeated AA twice, and didn't even deserve a AAA promotion.
 
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