Isles Prospect Talk 2020-21 Pt. II

[Chapin Landvogt]

I'd be very surprised if Raty is not an NHLer in some capacity.

The question is really only to what degree.

Is he another Sean Bergenheim or Joonas Donskoi?

Or is he an Erik Haula or Roope Hintz?

Or might he even become a poor man's Aho?

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

We take chances..

Drafted Kabanov, Ho-sang, Petrov in later rounds (or later than they should have been picked).....we are bound to get some luck here and there...first was Barzal and now it's Raty.

Sometimes we get lucky...it's just math

Well, Ho-Sang was actually a first rounder. And he didn't actually drop.

Rather, Snow dished off 2 picks to move up six places and take him at the end of the 1st round, which was about where a few publications saw him. No telling if we could have still gotten him with the 34th pick.

Here were the picks taken between Ho-Sang and the 34th, which we moved with the 57th to get him:

And if we're talking about an Islander trend of grabbing guys who drop, then we'll need to add Bode Wilde to that list for sure.

Then again, I felt Chromiak was certainly one of the top 40 players available in the 2020 draft and he didn't end up going until the 4th or 5th round, to LA no less.

I really wondered why the team didn't look to snag him.

 

[seafoam]

The question is really only to what degree.

Is he another Sean Bergenheim or Joonas Donskoi?

Or is he an Erik Haula or Roope Hintz?

Or might he even become a poor man's Aho?

I think he'll end up somewhere in between, I mean look at this pass...

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I've noticed that quite a lot of high end Finnish prospects over the years lack in the skating department. Barkov wasn't a great skater in his draft year, Krappo Kakko is a sub par skater, Laine lacks in skating, Jesse Joensuu had heavy boots (like Raty, he was projected very high when he was 15/16), Puljujarvi actually has wheels yet no hockey IQ, Aho is a star yet isn't a high end skater, etc.

Anyone else notice this trend? I wonder if skating isn't a main focus in Finnish development.

@Chapin Landvogt am I off base here or have you noticed this too?

Actually, skating plays a huge role in Finnish development. And plenty of Finns who have played in the NHL were very much known for their skating. Niko Kapanen and Timmo Kimmonen come to mind.

But now where you mention it, it does seem like plenty of Finns who have at least earned a shot in the NHL haven't been the best skaters.

Then again, I think the Ahos and Barkovs of the world are indeed quite strong when it comes to agility and their radius mobility on skates. They can do a lot while standing or taking their first few steps.

I just wouldn't say that the Finnish development program has any monopoly on "proper skating" and maximizing one's stride and leg power.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I think he'll end up somewhere in between, I mean look at this pass...

That looks a wee bit more like Aho than the others mentioned.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Anyone know anything about our invitees?

Do you mean invitees to the prospects camp?

Because there won't be one this summer. Lamoriello pointed that out during the exit meetings after the Game 7 loss to Tampa.

 

[leeroggy]

Actually, skating plays a huge role in Finnish development. And plenty of Finns who have played in the NHL were very much known for their skating. Niko Kapanen and Timmo Kimmonen come to mind.

But now where you mention it, it does seem like plenty of Finns who have at least earned a shot in the NHL haven't been the best skaters.

Then again, I think the Ahos and Barkovs of the world are indeed quite strong when it comes to agility and their radius mobility on skates. They can do a lot while standing or taking their first few steps.

I just wouldn't say that the Finnish development program has any monopoly on "proper skating" and maximizing one's stride and leg power.

If Barkov were a great skater too he'd be McDavid . . . he's that good.

 

[SI90]

I think he'll end up somewhere in between, I mean look at this pass...

I said yesterday that’s an elite pass. Quick decision making and it was accurate. Looked them like he was loading up got a wrister on net but he snapped it across ice for a one timer. Love that pass

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

If Barkov were a great skater too he'd be McDavid . . . he's that good.

He is really, really good.

Definitely one of the real beasts in the league.

 

[SI90]

He is really, really good.

Definitely one of the real beasts in the league.

It’s funny he doesn’t get a lot of recognition. I said when the season ended he was brought up and I said I would trade Barzal for him. Could you imagine Barkov playing for Trotz? He’s a beast 200ft on the ice. He’s the rare guy that has Selke, art Ross, and Hart potential. Not many guys can say that.

 

[PWJunior]

He is really, really good.

Definitely one of the real beasts in the league.

How do Barkov and Raty compare in skating during their draft years?

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

How do Barkov and Raty compare in skating during their draft years?

The comparisons we're hearing here and there are that Raty's skating reminds folks of Nelson.

And in the grand scheme of things, Nelson and Barkov don't skate all that differently, right?

 

[boredmale]

Well, Ho-Sang was actually a first rounder. And he didn't actually drop.

Ho Sang sort of went where expected, many said he would either be a late first early 2nd

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Ho Sang sort of went where expected, many said he would either be a late first early 2nd

Indeed!

As I alluded to in literally my very next sentence:
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Rather, Snow dished off 2 picks to move up six places and take him at the end of the 1st round, which was about where a few publications saw him. No telling if we could have still gotten him with the 34th pick.
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[PWJunior]

The comparisons we're hearing here and there are that Raty's skating reminds folks of Nelson.

And in the grand scheme of things, Nelson and Barkov don't skate all that differently, right?

Raty looks like a huge steal, the Isles needed this badly. We'll see how good Raty can be, but I think we got a sure fire #3C in him as his floor. I am excited for his future. Best case scenario is he can replace Brock as the #2C in 3/4 years when his contract is up.

 

[Brain Hemorrhage]

Well, Ho-Sang was actually a first rounder. And he didn't actually drop.

Rather, Snow dished off 2 picks to move up six places and take him at the end of the 1st round, which was about where a few publications saw him. No telling if we could have still gotten him with the 34th pick.

Here were the picks taken between Ho-Sang and the 34th, which we moved with the 57th to get him:
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And if we're talking about an Islander trend of grabbing guys who drop, then we'll need to add Bode Wilde to that list for sure.

Then again, I felt Chromiak was certainly one of the top 40 players available in the 2020 draft and he didn't end up going until the 4th or 5th round, to LA no less.

I really wondered why the team didn't look to snag him.

Wilde was a steal. Years earlier we took the ND dman Oneil who was born in the wrong era and fell to fourth round in weak draft after being early talk of top D in draft.

That said, Adrian Kempe is the only guy taken between KHS pick and #34 who is panning out. JHS looked like he was going to be a superstar IFF he could get his head out of his pooper.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Wilde was a steal. Years earlier we took the ND dman Oneil who was born in the wrong era and fell to fourth round in weak draft after being early talk of top D in draft.

That said, Adrian Kempe is the only guy taken between KHS pick and #34 who is panning out. JHS looked like he was going to be a superstar IFF he could get his head out of his pooper.

Mind you, my post (which you're quoting) was simply a sidenote to the notion that Raty is a fairly typical case of Islander chance-taking seeing as how we grabbed a guy who went later than he should have, with Kabanov, Ho-Sang, and Petrov being the mentioned examples.

However, Ho-Sang didn't drop and who knows if he'd have been taken shortly thereafter.

PS) I'm pretty sure Barbashev and Lemieux can be safely considered to be panning out, but listing what went down from picks 28-34 was not to make any comparative player statement, per se, but rather give an impression of whether another team was likely to have snagged him up before we'd have been picking at spot 34.

No telling if any of those teams would have been willing to experiment with whether, as you say, he'd get his head out of the pooper.

 

[Not4u]

He is lighting it up

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Something I think we're really, really in for as a franchise is that one of our forward prospects come out of nowhere and makes a name for himself. I mean, like, really arrives on the scene. Pushes the planning needle.

I dunno, but I'm thinking it'd be huge if a Newkirk or Jenkins or Adams would just have a 45-50-point season in Bridgeport. Or a Berg or Cockerill or Pivonka would have a 35-point college season. Or a Ljungkrantz or Liukas makes some real noise in SHL or Liiga play, becoming a top six forward in those leagues.

Something like that.

 

[MatthewBarnabysTears]

Something I think we're really, really in for as a franchise is that one of our forward prospects come out of nowhere and makes a name for himself. I mean, like, really arrives on the scene. Pushes the planning needle.

I dunno, but I'm thinking it'd be huge if a Newkirk or Jenkins or Adams would just have a 45-50-point season in Bridgeport. Or a Berg or Cockerill or Pivonka would have a 35-point college season. Or a Ljungkrantz or Liukas makes some real noise in SHL or Liiga play, becoming a top six forward in those leagues.

Something like that.

Agree. Since then it would mean we had one worthwhile forward prospect.

 

[Bill Herlyn]

Ruslan Ishkakov might be the lone forward prospect that positively surprises all Islanders fans in the NHL outside of Raty!!

 

[SI90]

Raty is a machine!!! Wtf he’s over 2PPG right now. He’s white hot.

14pts in 6gms lol

 

[SI90]

 

[scott99]

Something I think we're really, really in for as a franchise is that one of our forward prospects come out of nowhere and makes a name for himself. I mean, like, really arrives on the scene. Pushes the planning needle.

I dunno, but I'm thinking it'd be huge if a Newkirk or Jenkins or Adams would just have a 45-50-point season in Bridgeport. Or a Berg or Cockerill or Pivonka would have a 35-point college season. Or a Ljungkrantz or Liukas makes some real noise in SHL or Liiga play, becoming a top six forward in those leagues.

Something like that.

I think Newkirk will be Cizikas’ replacement in a few years.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Indeed!

As I alluded to in literally my very next sentence:
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Rather, Snow dished off 2 picks to move up six places and take him at the end of the 1st round, which was about where a few publications saw him. No telling if we could have still gotten him with the 34th pick.
<<<

Snow did this a lot. It is like he wanted to be the center of attention at the end of the first round. JHS, CdH (to a lesser extent), Nelson, and Beauvillier. Batting 2/4 on those as of now.