Post-Game Talk: Islanders 2 - Jets 1

[JetsFan815]

even if we kept him over the others, we would still be praying for bottom six scoring

I never argued he was a world beater or a solution to the Jets bottom-6 woes.

 

[LowLefty]

I think people make too much on waiver wire pickups and waiver wire losses. These guys are all approximately the same level. In some situations they do well and in others the struggle. There are literally 100’s of players across the league in this group. I’m glad the CBA has a mechanism that allows them to pursue HHL careers rather than be buried in farm systems. In Mikey’s case he had been up and down several times in his career and landed on a noncontender where he had more opportunity. Good for him.

I think people spend too much time looking for an opportunity to jump on a posting error even when it has little to do with the player and his contributions (as minimal as they were) - which was the real point in the post.
Does it really matter what you or I think in regard to what others think? We've been discussing multiple players within our bottom 6 for wks now - was this the straw that broke the camels back?

 

[tbcwpg]

My point is that he found his way as a pro with the Jets org... played multiple years under the watchful eyes of this org yet we waived him over those other guys who are nothing special. I'd rather have Eyssimont on this team than those other guys. We gave up a guy why MAY have not lived up to a bottom-6 spot in favor of guys we KNOW wouldn't live up to the spot (Kuhlman and even Saku to some extent).

Many here watched Mikey on the Moose and on the Jets and had great things to say about him esp his physicality and pestulence, I have yet to see a single poster here excited about Kuhlman. There are ifs and buts with Mikey but we knew what Kuhlman was when we chose to hang on to him over Mikey... that saying about playing players who we *know* are bad instead of players who *might* be bad.

Again, "multiple years" is a very generous description of the timeline, and factually incorrect given he was signed July 2021 and waived one week into 2023. He was here a year and a half. Also, "many people" is again, generous, given you were the sole sailor on that boat for a long time and a few people agreed with you for a short period before he was waived.

Ultimately I think it's pretty inconsequential and I don't believe having Eyssimont over Kuhlman or Saku or Stenlund or any other plug and play depth piece affects this team's fortunes for one minute. At 26 I think it can be pretty safe to say that we know that Eyssimont is, at best, mediocre.

 

[KingBogo]

I think people spend too much time looking for an opportunity to jump on a posting error even when it has little to do with the player and his contributions (as minimal as they were) - which was the real point in the post.
Does it really matter what you or I think in regard to what others think? We've been discussing multiple players within our bottom 6 for wks now - was this the straw that broke the camels back?

Home grown is a pretty specific label. That is a drafted player developed within the organization. Picking up a player as a UFA after he is released by his drafting team following his ELC at age 24 puts him in the same category of players that was suggested he should be given priority over.

 

[LowLefty]

even if we kept him over the others, we would still be praying for bottom six scoring


not really, you can say he was impactful but he really didn't do much after a few games and was invisible at times...
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really wish we could get actual bottom sixers so we don't have to argue about which waiver guy would be the best... *hint* it's none of them!

IMO, he was impactful - he brought a ton of energy to a team that needed a ton of energy.
Was it impactful enough to argue about? Nope.

 

[CorgisPer60]

You want to fix the bottom six? Then you add guys that can force others down the lineup. You force guys like Lowry, Barron, Kulhman, or Appleton down then suddenly we’re much better.

Also what I said. You don't fix your bottom six by getting the same type of player the Jets already have. Get better players that force the current players down or out. They need basically an entire third line, or a pretty good 3C.

 

[LowLefty]

Home grown is a pretty specific label. That is a drafted player developed within the organization. Picking up a player as a UFA after he is released by his drafting team following his ELC at age 24 puts him in the same category of players that was suggested he should be given priority over.

What about the stats that were also provided in that post? Would that be enough to possibly support him in being the priority over the others?
No one mentioned that part of the post (which was likely the major point) - for some, that might have been worth discussing.

 

[KingBogo]

IMO, he was impactful - he brought a ton of energy to a team that needed a ton of energy.
Was it impactful enough to argue about? Nope.

I wouldn’t have waived Mikey either but the organization made that call. I’m glad we didn’t lose Axel when they made the same call. I’m not a big fan of Kuhlman but I get the organization likes that he knows where he is supposed to be even though he he has hands worst than James Wright. Out of all the tweeners I like Stenlund the best even with his brain fart on their 2nd goal tonight.

 

[gojetsgo]

What about the stats that were also provided in that post? Would that be enough to possibly support him in being the priority over the others?
No one mentioned that part of the post (which was likely the major point) - for some, that might have been worth discussing.

what stopped people form discussing that?

 

[raideralex99]

Dallas blows a 3 goal lead against the Hawks and lose ... woohoo.
Everything is okay in Jet land.

 

[CorgisPer60]

They lost in regulation as well. God, the Central is f***ing pathetic this year.

 

[bustamente]

Update on the Jets standings with Dallas, still a point behind but now even in games played, thanks Hawks. Stars put the puck in the net but time had expired.

 

[LowLefty]

what stopped people form discussing that?

Nothing that I know of - we have been discussing it.
It's all good

 

[LowLefty]

I wouldn’t have waived Mikey either but the organization made that call. I’m glad we didn’t lose Axel when they made the same call. I’m not a big fan of Kuhlman but I get the organization likes that he knows where he is supposed to be even though he he has hands worst than James Wright. Out of all the tweeners I like Stenlund the best even with his brain fart on their 2nd goal tonight.

I agree - it's too bad because there was a special energy with that guy that I really do believe was infectious.
It was never about his skill level - and he was never going to be the guy that carried us to a cup.
But having one of those guys somewhere in your lineup, can be a plus.

I like Stenlund too - especially his composure (I'd like to be able to say his scoring) - but you take what you can get.
Need some help down there though and I think this player will fit in with a better bottom 6.
IMO, he's our 4th center as I don't see Lowry being bumped down any time soon -

 

[AlphaLackey]

His three seasons in Columbus:
Tied for 2nd in team scoring.
6th
3rd.

He’s not just benefiting from being surrounded by talent, he’s obviously generating something himself as well.

Points since the trade:
Dubois 135
Laine 112
Roslovic 109

He’s been no slouch.

I'm not saying he's a slouch. I'm saying he's won the Steve Rucchin lottery (or insert whatever 'schlub paired with two stars' you like) and he's got 30 and is on pace for 35, of which only 4 (on pace for 5) will be goals. Sure I'd love him over a plug or two we have. But if Roslovic is the answer, then it's clearly a rhetorical question.

 

[GNP]

Axel can help with bottom line scoring for sure. I've seen him let a couple of very hard wristers go, and a couple went in, and a couple just barely missed. At least he charges the net and shoots. I'd very much think Axel should be in the lineup, over these other plugs like Mainalainen, and Stenlund, and probably Barron.

Get Axel in the lineup, at least he hustles. Send the other plugs to the Ice Capades, or figure skating meets at the Olympics. We need "hockey players."

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

We simply didn't deserve to win.
Scoring 1 goal is a recipe for losing.
A strong aversion to shooting contributes to losing.
A propensity for low % passes that cause turnovers and rush chances against (when you could shoot) are an ingredient to losing.
Losing to a team that barely has any NHL caliber players on it at an important time of year is not good.

Getting badly outworked in the 3rd is the icing on the cake.

The Jets weren't brutal but they pissed away an easy chance to get a point or two.
The bottom 6 is never going to score again.
Lowry's line looked bad most of the night (aside from drawing a penalty).
The 4th line at least generated some chances.

I don't see Chevy really needing all the cap space that we may be accumulating before the deadline.
I really doubt he is landing any key pieces.
We should make one move now to try to improve our lot in life. (Improve the bottom 6)
Even if we can't finish first getting home ice could be important.
The Jets have been pretty good at home and suck ass on the road.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

It's been a month (the Flyers game) since a bottom 6 forward scored a goal.
For F@$%# sake.
January 22nd.
It's like our top 6 forwards are playing with weight vests on.
Literal anchors chained to their legs.
The plugs should have to forfeit their salary for being so dismal.
How does one of them not accidentally knock a puck in.

Adam Lowry with 4 assists in his last 21 games.
We could be so much better with a couple of 3rd line caliber players in the line up.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Those offense bars.

I'll be honest looking at those graphs, I never have a clue what they mean and don't really care.
You can see a team that isn't playing to their potential (stats or no stats).

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

What's up with PLD and not shooting when he has the puck in the slot, seems to always defer lately

He's trying to keep his AAV down for that Montreal contract

 

[snowkiddin]

Probably deserved to win this game but we stole the W against the Rangers so I guess it cancels out.

We need more scoring. This team seems stuck in the mud and doesn’t appear to be going anywhere as currently constructed.

 

[voyageur]

This was exactly the game I expected. I even predicted the score, however with the wrong winning team.

Jets played a decent low event road game. A couple of breakdowns led to a couple of goals. I was a little surprised to see Apples and Ehlers out together in a 4 on 4 situation, that was an unexpected combo that didn't work out.

2nd goal against was just too long of a shift for Stenlund. He eventually was broken down by fresher players.

Jets could have easily started this game with a lead, and played from their comfort zone, but they didn't.

I liked the PP alignments tonight. I think those are the right combinations. Execution was nothing special though. Ehlers coming down the end boards at full speed opens some options up. It would have been nice to see at least one drop pass into Morrissey's wheelhouse from that set up. I like that Scheif and Dubois are the two guys playing in front of the net. I don't think we saw a single pass though where Dubois played the bumper behind the goal and Scheifele was the triggerman, most of the pucks I saw go deep had Scheif below the goal line and that's not the ideal spot for him to score. And the passes he made didn't connect for the most part.

Wheeler playing his only familiar spot on the 2nd unit was interesting, as the Jets kept running Pionk down the weak side for back door plays but none of them connected. Honestly at this point of the season I wouldn't mind seeing Scheifele play the whole shift, and have him in that soft spot between the circles that Wheeler used to feast him in.

Disappointing loss, and the struggles against the East continue. But those next Western games aren't going to be cake walks. Avs, Kings, and 2 against the Oilers. These are going to be games that now become integral to this team even being a playoff team.

I think this team is probably closer to the team we expected at the start of the season, a borderline playoff team, but it would be nice to stay in the pack in the Central. I think each loss weighs more on Chevy to do something, but it might only be something minor, because reality is the playoffs are no longer a guarantee. But a spark might change the team's direction.

 

[Jets 31]

This team passes the puck WAY TOO MUCH. There was 4 times i counted where we were in a good scoring position and passed the puck to either a covered player or to a guy in a worse scoring position. If a guy like Appleton is going to play up on our top 6 , and he can't score, he sure as shit better not make a bad pass that costs us a goal . I think we have a good team but Chevy needs to get us some scoring help and fast.

 

[Jets 31]

To me Connor gets a free pass a lot because he's a nice guy and an exciting skater when he wants to but my god he joins them under the invisibility cloak so often

Connor needs to shoot the puck more, our only goal was because Ehlers shot the puck.You aren't going to get the pretty goals very often so shoot the puck and look for rebounds .

 

[jetsforever]

Nice to see Ehlers pot one, hope he gets hot again as we need some offence