xChrisTilDeathx
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Honestly most Step fanboys will point to Nash for his low production numbers. But i think Steps the main reason for Nash's poor production, really...
Is there any chance the Rangers can trade for a true #1?
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Honestly most Step fanboys will point to Nash for his low production numbers. But i think Steps the main reason for Nash's poor production, really...
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
So, ok, if Richards played 1stline minutes, HE was our 1C... how many people felt Richards was EVER our 1C in the last three years? He just signed at 1 yr for $2M. A contender, sure, but $2M... for 1 year...? 1C?
Yet everyone says Stepan was 1C... why? HE WAS BETTER! AH-HA! You can't objectively quantify a 1C--they either have it or they don't. Richards DID for a long time. Stepan did, for a few months in 2013... and I was one of the first heralding him as a 1C. He's not anymore. Close, not yet.
Yet everyone says Stepan was 1C... why? HE WAS BETTER! AH-HA! You can't objectively quantify a 1C--they either have it or they don't. Richards DID for a long time. Stepan did, for a few months in 2013... and I was one of the first heralding him as a 1C. He's not anymore. Close, not yet.
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I understand that not all teams have a 1C. But the last what, 8 teams that have won the Cup have had one if not two studs down the middle.
The Rangers could have flipped that if we had some better bounces and calls, but still, it was very hard to match up against a team like LA.
Think then of St Loius, Dallas, Ducks, Chicago, Pitt, Dallas...I just see the best teams built differently.
I guess never having a top 5 pick or any 1st rounder for that matter (thanks Sather), it is nearly impossible to do.
I can't even hope for one horrible year where the team picks top 5 in a dream draft like 2015 and returns to form the following year- like what Boston did.
So hard to root for this club sometimes.
The Rangers could have flipped that if we had some better bounces and calls, but still, it was very hard to match up against a team like LA.
Think then of St Loius, Dallas, Ducks, Chicago, Pitt, Dallas...I just see the best teams built differently.
I guess never having a top 5 pick or any 1st rounder for that matter (thanks Sather), it is nearly impossible to do.
I can't even hope for one horrible year where the team picks top 5 in a dream draft like 2015 and returns to form the following year- like what Boston did.
So hard to root for this club sometimes.
broadwayblue
Registered User
Up until last year we've had most of our recent 1st round picks. And forget about top 5, what are the odds of drafting a 1c with the 29th pick? Unless you get lucky it's hard to draft a legit #1c unless your team sucks.
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
Exactly! And that's why the Hawks couldn't beat LA. Boston managed two win with two 2Cs, but very good ones. Other than that, you're right--all the CA teams have 3 really good Cs... Vancouver had 2 really good ones, before their troubles began. And Pittsburgh won 6 years ago because of two guys, both Cs.
We're best equipped to follow Boston's plan. Realistically, Stepan is right on Bergeron's heals. Brassard is an average 2C at best. No answer to Krejci. Then we have Miller (prospectively) and Moore. Not a recipe for success. O'Reilly could be. I'd love Scheifele. Wait till the season is underway, something is gonna happen. Maybe Miller or Lindberg will come out and light it up...
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Holocene
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BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
Yup, but the fact is, we probably should look to trade up to top-5 in the next two years. You can't win the Cup the way we're trying to. Then again, we kind of suck with top 15 picks.
xChrisTilDeathx
Registered User
I really think he wasn't the same after his injury, but that's a topic for a different thread.
BlueshirtBlitz
Foolish Samurai
Bergeron is not a 2C. Bergeron goes up against ridiculous tough competition, doesn't get beneficial zone starts, and he still dominates.
If the Rangers had Bergeron, they take the Kings to 7 games even with O'Halloran's screwjob in Game 2.
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
To quote the philosopher Red Foreman: "You don't have bad luck; Bad things happen to you because you're a dumb ass".
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
2012: We fell short in the ECF; We blew up the team for the next step.
2014: We fell short in the SCF; We blew up the team for the next step.
2015; Blow this team to smithereens, and I smell a dynasty!
2014: We fell short in the SCF; We blew up the team for the next step.
2015; Blow this team to smithereens, and I smell a dynasty!
Nash can't take another concussion, he's turned into a careful no contact player. That's why we have an 8 million guy worth 4...
xChrisTilDeathx
Registered User
Nash can't take another concussion, he's turned into a careful no contact player. That's why we have an 8 million guy worth 4...
Actually, I hate Nash as much as the next person, but hes defiantly a contact forward and probably the best defensive froward in the NHL. The issue with Nash is we're not paying him 8 mil to do the things hes doing. Were paying him that kind of money to score goals.
*The most expensive defensive forward in the NHL.
And Nash alone with his caphit, and the cap crunch, will ruin any chances of the Rangers going back to the SCF next year.
I probably lean more toward the side that Stepan is better suited as a 2C but using 80 points as a measure for true first line centers is odd. Crosby, Getzlaf, Seguin and Giroux were the only Cs to break 80 this year.
Come on. Nash's poor production was because of his tendency to make egregious decisions with the puck -- holding onto the puck for way too long in the offensive zone, refusing to use his linemates, taking terrible shots, etc.
No one wanted Nash to be more successful than me. I'm a fan, but he was really, really bad late in the season, and terrible in the postseason. He brought his linemates down, not the other way around.
I'm hoping he can have a better year this year.
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
By best defensive forward in the NHL, he means only worse defensively than like 5+ guys just on the Rangers.
Well said. I really think Nash's issues are rooted in bad habits more than anything else.
Obvioulsy, Sather believes Nash can fill B. Boyle's skates, which is why they let him go.
haveandare
Registered User
That should be an example of why ice time doesn't tell you who the 1C is necessarily.
Richards got an extra 40 seconds a game average. Likely due to his being spoon fed PP time for whatever reason.
cd211
Registered User
stepan is a number 1 center... hes solid defensively and put up 57 pts.. dude is a number 1c..id rather sacrifice pts for a solid 2-way game.. the problem is we don't have that 1-2 punch.. we need another at least at stepans level..
CA teams are stacked.. cant compare to them..I think we should be patient and see what brass can doo with more ice time (avg 15min in 2013-14) give him around 20 and see what he can do with MZA..
CA teams are stacked.. cant compare to them..I think we should be patient and see what brass can doo with more ice time (avg 15min in 2013-14) give him around 20 and see what he can do with MZA..
