Is there a problem?

[sittler rules!!!]

Looks like Calgary and Winnipeg are not the only ones with rush flights out. Schenn, Acciari, ROR. None wanted back. ROR apparently outspoken earlier about Keefe and the locker room. And now with news that Keefe is staying and no core changes, is the problem Shanahan.

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[Da Mash]

There is none

Media will brainwash fans to think so.

But twitter will be full of jibberish like this and fans will think it’s gospel

 

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It is very clear ROR did not like it in Toronto. He has sent a very loud message across the NHL now about Toronto. It is now quickly becoming that place with a no fly zone warning.

 

[Antropovsky]

Looks like Calgary and Winnipeg are not the only ones with rush flights out. Schenn, Acciari, ROR. None wanted back. ROR apparently outspoken earlier about Keefe and the locker room. And now with news that Keefe is staying and no core changes, is the problem Shanahan.

What did Oreilly say about Keefe?

 

[Clyde Brewer]

There is none

Media will brainwash fans to think so.

But twitter will be full of jibberish like this and fans will think it’s gospel

Where are our shiny new toys then? Why couldn't we retain ROR, Accairi, or Schenn?

 

[TheDoldrums]

We became a dysfunctional franchise again with everything that went down in the dueling Dubas and Shanahan press confereces. They were both really weird and unprofessional.

Then we fired the GM after just offering him an extension. We look like a joke, so it's not a surprise that we're not seen as a hot destination right now.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

The cancer is the core's money-first attitude and Toronto's desire to keep running the four guys back. There's no cash to go around.

 

[Super Mega]

I doubt it's that simple but it's a really tough start for Treliving, ultimately up to the GM to sell the vision, and no one took it

 

[Nylanderthal]

Shanny, it starts at the top. Dubas saw this and tried to rectify the situation and as soon as he stepped off course he was axed.

 

[7even]

Hockey Man has returned.

 

[Nylanderthal]

The cancer is the core's money-first attitude and Toronto's desire to keep running the four guys back. There's no cash to go around.

There’s plenty of cap space and roster flexibility. Star players get paid. Look at other competitive clubs. There’s a group of 4-6 guys making significant cap and a bunch of interchangeable parts

 

[socko]

The shine has certainly worn off some since the days that Tavares blessed us with his $11 contract.

 

[Antropovsky]

For three years our GM and president have said they may make big changes to the core.

..... Gm leaves, the core and coach stay the same.

I'd have been ok with sticking with the same if we at least fired the coach.

Treliving saying Keefe doesn't think he has all the answers and is willing to change doesn't give me confidence in Treliving either.

I'm feeling second hand embarrassment at this point.

 

[Enniskillen]

Greedy and soft core plus rookie coach is the answer. ROR and Schenn are studs and without them even one round win would have been impossible. How did it work with Pleks, Marleau, Foligno? They just didn’t have it and didn’t want it.

 

[Advanced stats]

Shanahan has lost the script.

He's made an absolute mess the last 2 seasons.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

What did Oreilly say about Keefe?

He said something like they should make some changes in game two or something like that. He was ignored.

 

[Nylanderthal]

The shine has certainly worn off some since the days that Tavares blessed us with his $11 contract.

$11m for a ppg 2 way leader centre would be fine if the cap was $95m like it should be after 4 years of average growth.
The nba salary cap has gone up something like 20% in the same time the nhl cap went up 2m

 

[the Mighty Oak]

Shanahan has lost the script.

He's made an absolute mess the last 2 seasons.

You mean doobis

 

[GoonieFace]

Shanny, it starts at the top. Dubas saw this and tried to rectify the situation and as soon as he stepped off course he was axed.

Nice try…the whole organization are clowns, Dubas included.

 

[Nylanderthal]

For three years our GM and president have said they may make big changes to the core.

..... Gm leaves, the core and coach stay the same.

I'd have been ok with sticking with the same if we at least fired the coach.

Treliving saying Keefe doesn't think he has all the answers and is willing to change doesn't give me confidence in Treliving either.

I'm feeling second hand embarrassment at this point.

Maybe those around here with bozo the clown photos can now see that they slapped those photo shops on the wrong guy.

You mean doobis

Oh man, gonna be a lot of crow served around here this year. Kyle did good work this off season so far.

He said something like they should make some changes in game two or something like that. He was ignored.

Cool, if I was the coach I’d probably ignore a player telling me how to do my job as well. Ror is a mercantile type who’s played on more teams than I have had full time jobs in my lifetime

 

[Gabriel426]

Not saying there is a cancer but if there is one, it is hard to not point to the big 4.

Think we have heard enough about the team is catering to them too much….even Treliving said it is about the team and not big 4….

ROR really just sent a F U to someone in TO and whoever that might be they probably still didn’t know about it.

 

[Advanced stats]

You mean doobis

No I mean Shanahan. If Dubas was here today with 15 million to spend, he'd at least be awake.

Dubas has built a great team in spite of things and tre is here to f*** it all up.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

Shanny, it starts at the top. Dubas saw this and tried to rectify the situation and as soon as he stepped off course he was axed.

hahha Is this a joke? Dubas saw this and tried to rectify the situation ... What does this mean?

No I mean Shanahan. If Dubas was here today with 15 million to spend, he'd at least be awake.

Dubas has built a great team in spite of things and tre is here to f*** it all up.

Alrighty. ...

 

[Advanced stats]

Alrighty. ...

Alrighty.


Yep

We signed a 4c to a 10 million dollar contract, Ryan reeves who should be retired to 1.3 a year, Nylander is probably gone, we had big misses on players that wanted to stay here(Accari) and a very underwhelming draft.
And it's been less than a month.

 

[Antropovsky]

The shine has certainly worn off some since the days that Tavares blessed us with his $11 contract.

Nothing wrong with paying a first overall, two time hart trophy nominee, 27 year old center 11 million. Still isn't now.

The problems were the Marner contract, the Marner A, signing Keefe, and trying to reinvent NHL systems...aka purging the team of grit and activating the D which puts Marner and Matthews, Nylander at the point skating away from the net more than around the net.

Marner constantly using his post game interviews as an opportunity to attack reporters and social media is enough reason to strip him of his A. Jeez... Your a celebrity, playing for the Leafs, who continually puts himself in front of the media with shania twain appearances and cringe "letter to fans".... Either remove yourself from these platforms or suck it up you &$%cken baby or go to Phoenix where nobody will pay attention to you.

The Shanahan-Dubas drama was added fuel to the dysfunction. Can we get some people who just want to play hockey and win a cup?