Is there a narrative that the Capitals are sacrificing everything to get Ovechkin the Goal Record? Is there a double standard with regards to Crosby?

[GrumpyKoala]

Cup > goals record

3400+ players have theirs name engraved on the Stanley Cup.

Only one hold the most goal record

 

[Deno]

The Caps can do whatever they want to please their fan base. If that is going all out for OV's goal record? Power to them. This is not a shot at Crosby. Crosby record stand on its own. I've never understood the hate between Crosby and OV fans. Why can we not celebrate that two of the all time top 10 players in history played in the same era?

 

[User9992]

The Caps can do whatever they want to please their fan base. If that is going all out for OV's goal record? Power to them. This is not a shot at Crosby. Crosby record stand on its own. I've never understood the hate between Crosby and OV fans. Why can we not celebrate that two of the all time top 10 players in history played in the same era?

It's actually one way hate. Ovi fans don't care about Sid, but Sid fans jump with hate into Ovi threads with funny narrarives that 'Capitals are just trying to help Ovi to beat Gretzky's record sacrifising the team sucess , when they need to trade Ovi and rebuild'.

But Capitals are on top of Eastern Conference & Ovi leading the league in goals with 15 in 18, has a plus-minus of +15. Meanwhile Penguins are struggling to get to the playoffs spot. If anything it's Penguins need rebuild asap, not the Capitals.

The Caps can do whatever they want to please their fan base. If that is going all out for OV's goal record? Power to them. This is not a shot at Crosby. Crosby record stand on its own. I've never understood the hate between Crosby and OV fans. Why can we not celebrate that two of the all time top 10 players in history played in the same era?

Caps are on top of the Eastern Conference and Ovi is leading the league with 15 goals in 18 games.

I don't see any problem. While Penguins are struggling to get to the playoff spot with Crosby. According to their logic Penguins need to trade Sid & rebuild.

 

[Susannah]

I don't see any problem. While Penguins are struggling to get to the playoff spot with Crosby. According to their logic Penguins need to trade Sid & rebuild.

Maybe the Penguins can trade Crosby to the Capitals and help them win the Stanley Cup.

This flawed logic of "the Capitals just trying to get Ovechkin the goals record" is as silly as "earth is flat" narrative.

 

[Lshap]

This flawed logic of "the Capitals just trying to get Ovechkin the goals record" is as silly as "earth is flat" narrative.

A flat Earth gives Ovechkin a better view of the net and helps him beat Gretzky's record.

Yes, even the Earth is in on it.

 

[BallardEra]

Maybe the Penguins can trade Crosby to the Capitals and help them win the Stanley Cup.

This flawed logic of "the Capitals just trying to get Ovechkin the goals record" is as silly as "earth is flat" narrative.

It's even more funny now because the majority of Pens fans only care about Crosby keeping his points per game streak going.

That's the Pens mission now.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

It's actually one way hate. Ovi fans don't care about Sid, but Sid fans jump with hate into Ovi threads with funny narrarives

Is this a joke? The same usual suspects of Ovi fans repeatedly enter every Crosby thread (especially threads that have nothing to do with Ovi) to shit on and discredit him without fail. It's literally been a joke on these boards that they will inevitably enter the threads and the "12am Magistrate" never ceases to deliver on this meme.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

It's even more funny now because the majority of Pens fans only care about Crosby keeping his points per game streak going.

That's the Pens mission now.

Hey easy now....... we also care about trying our best to get FSG to fire Mike Sullivan.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Is this a joke? The same usual suspects of Ovi fans repeatedly enter every Crosby thread (especially threads that have nothing to do with Ovi) to shit on and discredit him without fail. It's literally been a joke on these boards that they will inevitably enter the threads and the "12am Magistrate" never ceases to deliver on this meme.

I don’t get why either side does it, to be honest. Two of the GOATs who have delivered for their fans and for the sport in general for twenty(ish) years. Both played on division rivals for the same team their whole career. Both surpassed unmeetable expectations and set a standard that’s only been challenged by McDavid since they entered the league. Highly unlikely we see another Sid/Ovi dynamic for quite some time, so people should just enjoy them both while they’re still around. It really doesn’t matter who you prefer, that doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate the greatness of both.

 

[Midnight Judges]

I don’t get why either side does it, to be honest. Two of the GOATs who have delivered for their fans and for the sport in general for twenty(ish) years. Both played on division rivals for the same team their whole career. Both surpassed unmeetable expectations and set a standard that’s only been challenged by McDavid since they entered the league. Highly unlikely we see another Sid/Ovi dynamic for quite some time, so people should just enjoy them both while they’re still around. It really doesn’t matter who you prefer, that doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate the greatness of both.

This isn't a both sides thing. Crosby fans rampantly claim:

Ovechkin is a shoot only player

Ovechkin is one dimensional

Ovechkin is a detriment to his team

Ovechkin somehow doesn't improve his teammates whereas Crosby does

Ovechkin does nothing except stand around waiting for a pass

Ovechkin is a choker

Ovechkin is on steroids

The Capitals would be better off trading Ovechkin (in 2014).

Ovechkin did "nothing of note" after 2010 aside from goal scoring.

There is no equivalent to these wild slanders from the Ovechkin side.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

I don’t get why either side does it, to be honest. Two of the GOATs who have delivered for their fans and for the sport in general for twenty(ish) years. Both played on division rivals for the same team their whole career. Both surpassed unmeetable expectations and set a standard that’s only been challenged by McDavid since they entered the league. Highly unlikely we see another Sid/Ovi dynamic for quite some time, so people should just enjoy them both while they’re still around. It really doesn’t matter who you prefer, that doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate the greatness of both.

Same here, buddy. It's pretty embarrassing in my opinion. At this point in their careers if people can't simply appreciate the incredible display we've seen from these two I question why they even bother watching or participating in discussions. As a hardcore pens fan, I disliked Ovi for a long time, but I can't help but have any feeling about him but absolute adoration. It's amazing to see these two still playing at such an incredibly high level almost 20 years into their respective careers.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

This isn't a both sides thing. Crosby fans rampantly claim:

Ovechkin is a shoot only player

Ovechkin is one dimensional

Ovechkin is a detriment to his team

Ovechkin somehow doesn't improve his teammates whereas Crosby does

Ovechkin does nothing except stand around waiting for a pass

Ovechkin is a choker

Ovechkin is on steroids

The Capitals would be better off trading Ovechkin (in 2014).

Ovechkin did "nothing of note" after 2010.

There is no equivalent to these wild slanders from the Ovechkin side.

Oh MJ, give the inferiority complex a frickin break man. Please. We've watched two generational talents duke it out for two decades now. They're both amazing and incredible players in their own rights.

I don't understand what enjoyment that you get from continuing to battle of Ovi vs. Sid after almost 20 years. You've become a literal meme of a guy who can't NOT include Crosby vs. Ovechkin in any conversation that involves either player. It seems more like you're an Ovi fan and less of a Capitals/Hockey fan.

It's literally been two decades that you've been obsessed with trying to prove that Ovi is the superior player. Just get over it, man.

 

[max21]

Oh MJ, give the inferiority complex a frickin break man. Please. We've watched two generational talents duke it out for two decades now. They're both amazing and incredible players in their own rights.

I don't understand what enjoyment that you get from continuing to battle of Ovi vs. Sid after almost 20 years. You've become a literal meme of a guy who can't NOT include Crosby vs. Ovechkin in any conversation that involves either player. It seems more like you're an Ovi fan and less of a Capitals/Hockey fan.

It's literally been two decades that you've been obsessed with trying to prove that Ovi is the superior player. Just get over it, man.

The Ovechkin hate from Penguins fans on these boards is weird, you guys are maybe insecure? Idk!

 

[Rodgerwilco]

The Ovechkin hate from Penguins fans on these boards is weird, you guys are maybe insecure? Idk!

I agree.... The insecurity goes both ways. I'm not sure why you're referring to me as "you guys", though. I appreciate Ovi and Sid both in their own rights at this point. They're different styles of players with massively different career trajectories. Neither takes away from the other, IMO. I don't feel the need to desperately prove why I think that one player is better than the other.

I think anyone who is still engaged in this line of rhetoric is absurd. I was simply responding to a guy who is so Ovi-obsessed to the point that it's become an HF meme, trying to pin it all on the 'other side', while actively de-railing many conversations regarding one or the other.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Oh MJ, give the inferiority complex a frickin break man. Please. We've watched two generational talents duke it out for two decades now. They're both amazing and incredible players in their own rights.

I don't understand what enjoyment that you get from continuing to battle of Ovi vs. Sid after almost 20 years. You've become a literal meme of a guy who can't NOT include Crosby vs. Ovechkin in any conversation that involves either player. It seems more like you're an Ovi fan and less of a Capitals/Hockey fan.

It's literally been two decades that you've been obsessed with trying to prove that Ovi is the superior player. Just get over it, man.

Do you honestly believe you could come up with a credible set of slanders about Sidney Crosby that is remotely equivalent in terms of widespread usage and blatant falseness?

 

[Midnight Judges]

The Ovechkin hate from Penguins fans on these boards is weird, you guys are maybe insecure? Idk!

It's not just hfboards. Go on facebook or reddit, or anywhere else and you encounter all the same false statements.

 

[BKarchitect]

Agreed. Gretzky has more assists than any other player has points. OV is nothing compared to Wayne. I have no idea why kids are excited about this record chase.

You must be fun at parties.

Hey “kids” - FYI, this guy says you aren’t allowed to be excited about Ovie breaking the goal scoring record.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Indeed I realize I'm not super fun to contend with for people who make rampant slanders on a daily basis.

Of the slanders I listed, do you think I invented them, or do you actually believe some of those things are true? Do you deny that those types of assertions are rampant (not just on hfboards)?

Do you honestly think you could come up with a credible set of slanders about Sidney Crosby that is remotely equivalent in terms of widespread usage and blatant falseness?

You missed the entire purpose of everything that I had to say, man. I'm surprised that you even responded, I thought you've had me blocked.

I never said you invented them, I just think you're overly obsessed with them.... though, you've seemingly created enough of your own anti-Crosby rhetoric that it almost borders on equaling the Ovi hate. It's been two decades since these two entered the league, you've spent literally hundreds (maybe over a thousand) comments over countless hours since 2010 (when you joined the boards) trying your best to argue that Ovi is better than Sid.

If everything that your opposition had to say is as absurd as you claim then I don't see the point in continuing your crusade in trying to prove your point? (I hope you're at least able to acknowledge your own role in these continuing bicker-fests.)

 

[Midnight Judges]

I issued you a challenge.

But yeah, I knew you couldn't step up to it. All you can do is hit the butthurt emoji (again) followed up by a straw man.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

They are tied for 2nd in the league? What exactly are they sacrificing? Seems the goal is to still run through Ovechkin and it’s working. Now that he’s injured, we should get a clearer picture of how important he is to the Caps and it’s not just a token record he’s chasing.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

I issued you a challenge.

But yeah, I knew you couldn't step up to it. All you can do is hit the butthurt emoji (again) followed up by a straw man.

Is this directed to me...?

 

[SEALBound]

It's actually one way hate. Ovi fans don't care about Sid, but Sid fans jump with hate into Ovi threads with funny narrarives that 'Capitals are just trying to help Ovi to beat Gretzky's record sacrifising the team sucess , when they need to trade Ovi and rebuild'.

I think that's largely untrue, except for the occasional dingbat on both sides. There's a Caps fan who is still digging his grave on the "37pts in 22gp is NOT PPG" thing.

By now, I would be confident in suggesting that the rivalry between the Pens and Caps (and, more specifically, Sid and Ovi) has cooled down quite a bit and that both fan bases are appreciative of both players. I know I am.

I want Ovi to break the record so while I'm still a Pens fan, I'm rooting for him to continue scoring.

 

[Midnight Judges]

I think that's largely untrue, except for the occasional dingbat on both sides. There's a Caps fan who is still digging his grave on the "37pts in 22gp is NOT PPG" thing.

More strawmans.

To qualify as a "season," any reasonable metric would include a minimum in terms of games played or points relative to team games played. -No different than minimum at bats for a batting average title.

 

[SEALBound]

More strawmans.

To qualify as a "season," any reasonable metric would include a minimum in terms of games played or points relative to team games played. -No different than minimum at bats for a batting average title.

Jesus tap dancing Christ.

Way to out yourself and hand the whole world undeniable proof that proves my point.

You just couldn't help yourself, could ya?

 

[Midnight Judges]

Jesus tap dancing Christ.

Way to out yourself and hand the whole world undeniable proof that proves my point.

You just couldn't help yourself, could ya?

Whereas I believe a per game stat should have a minimum games played in order to count towards an entire "season," you apparently believe there should be no standard what-so-ever.

MLB has a minimum 550 at-bats in order for a player to win a batting average title for a given season. You believe MLB is 'digging its own grave' with this "dingbat" standard because ___________________.

Truly, I am interested in what your rational basis is here.