Is Provorov top 10 all around d man yet?

[KareemTrustfund]

leafers just hate the flyers cause they always used to beat em in the playoffs. **** they're delusional sometimes

Why are we mainstreaming delusion?

 

[Battle Lin]

hes for sure top 50

 

[ole ole]

If you're wanting to put an emphasis on the defensive end of things and for some reason exclude Karlsson, Klingberg, Carlson, Krug, then here you go:

Drew Doughty
Victor Hedman
PK Subban
Alex Pietrangelo
Seth Jones
Ryan Suter
Roman Josi
Hampus Lindholm
OEL
Duncan Keith
Kris Letang
Jake Gardiner
Zach Werenski

I think that's over 10. And I did that without really having to think too hard of it

Jake Gardiner? Did you really say Jake Gardiner. The guys a train wreck in his own zone.

 

[Sasso09]

Oh please.

Provorov gets so many sheltered minutes he could get Sarah Mclachlan to appear in a commercial to find a home for them.

What are you talking about? The guy had OZs in the high 30% until being put with ghost and has faced the toughest minutes of any flyers defender since day 1. Werenski STILL faces 4th toughest minutes on his own team

 

[22FUTON9]

I think him along with Keith were one of the few that were able to contain Mackinnon this year

Real good player, top 10? I don't know, I probably haven't watched enough to come up with a judgment

 

[mikeyp24]

Werenski plays with a legit top 10 guy and has sheltered minutes in comparison to Provorov with much easier minutes and QOC and STILL gets outscored ES.

Werenski has one advantage over Provorov, power play.

Defensively Werenski gets lapped

They play on the same unit... both are PP2. If Hedman played with Karlson does that mean 1 of them can't be top 10? Jones wasn't a top 10 last year so what's the excuse there? Stats and eyes show Z is currently better but hey whatever helps you sleep. The Calder nom last year and getting even better this year as opposed to Prov having half a season of great and half good. Go watch the game they played against each other recently and tell me who was better. Prov was turning everything over and getting walked. Look at how everyone in the GDT that night said Prov had fallen off recently at that point.

Saying Z is sheltered because Jones is like saying Kane carried Panarin... we all know the truth about that.

 

[Halla]

i dont even think he is a 1d yet, let alone one of the top 10

 

[Crede777]

Werenski plays with a legit top 10 guy and has sheltered minutes in comparison to Provorov with much easier minutes and QOC and STILL gets outscored ES.

Werenski has one advantage over Provorov, power play.

Defensively Werenski gets lapped

The fact that Werenski plays with Jones and Provorov played with Andy Macdonald is an overrated fact brought up by Flyers fans. Werenski is more than capable of driving a pairing by himself.

Also, his defense was a bit of a concern heading into the draft but since then he's shown that he is elite at both ends. All while putting up great production.

 

[Sasso09]

They play on the same unit... both are PP2. If Hedman played with Karlson does that mean 1 of them can't be top 10? Jones wasn't a top 10 last year so what's the excuse there? Stats and eyes show Z is currently better but hey whatever helps you sleep. The Calder nom last year and getting even better this year as opposed to Prov having half a season of great and half good. Go watch the game they played against each other recently and tell me who was better. Prov was turning everything over and getting walked. Look at how everyone in the GDT that night said Prov had fallen off recently at that point.

Saying Z is sheltered because Jones is like saying Kane carried Panarin... we all know the truth about that.

Provorov is clearly better than Werenski, there was a poll recently made, go have a look and read the stats posted. They don't favor Werenski

 

[Sasso09]

The fact that Werenski plays with Jones and Provorov played with Andy Macdonald is an overrated fact brought up by Flyers fans. Werenski is more than capable of driving a pairing by himself.

Also, his defense was a bit of a concern heading into the draft but since then he's shown that he is elite at both ends. All while putting up great production.

He's never done it

He's not elite at either, especially not defensively.

Can it really be "over stated"? MacDonald is an AHLer, period... Jones is a bonafide top 10 defender who does ALL the heavy lifting.

Werenski isn't even better than Gostisbehere let alone Provorov

 

[Sasso09]

i dont even think he is a 1d yet, let alone one of the top 10

Please explain this, there's no question he's a #1

 

[mikeyp24]

Provorov is clearly better than Werenski, there was a poll recently made, go have a look and read the stats posted. They don't favor Werenski

Because Prov was a very highly touted and came from the CHL while Werenski was supposed to barely be a top 10 pick (a lot of mocks had us with Rantanan and the Avs with Werenski). People wanted Prov ahead of Hanifan and some had him going to TOR in that draft ahead of Strome and Marner. So hype carries. Also many more Philly fans around then Jacket fans so I'd say a fan poll isn't the best way to judge. I'll take the kid who dominated as a rookie and has to actually be game planned for rather then someone who didn't make it up right away and has play great for half a season.

I'll go with what actually happens on the ice and not ES points when the team is winning at home on an even numbered game of the season when the other team has 3 injured players and the coach has been ejected or whatever cherry picked stat you want to use.

 

[Syckle78]

i dont even think he is a 1d yet, let alone one of the top 10

Just like all your other posts the response to this one can be summed up with. That's special.

 

[Sasso09]

Because Prov was a very highly touted and came from the CHL while Werenski was supposed to barely be a top 10 pick (a lot of mocks had us with Rantanan and the Avs with Werenski). People wanted Prov ahead of Hanifan and some had him going to TOR in that draft ahead of Strome and Marner. So hype carries. Also many more Philly fans around then Jacket fans so I'd say a fan poll isn't the best way to judge. I'll take the kid who dominated as a rookie and has to actually be game planned for rather then someone who didn't make it up right away and has play great for half a season.

I'll go with what actually happens on the ice and not ES points when the team is winning at home on an even numbered game of the season when the other team has 3 injured players and the coach has been ejected or whatever cherry picked stat you want to use.

I'll go with the better player in Provorov

 

[Tripod]

Provy has more goals than Werenski
Provy has more assists than Werenski
Provy has more points than Werenski
Provy has more ES goals than Werenski
Provy has more ES assists than Werenski
Provy has more ES points than Werenski
Werenski is better on CBus #2 PP than Provy on Flyers #2 PP

Yet the "hype" of Werenski being better offensively lives on.

Provy lugged around AMac for 1 1/2 years, now with Ghost. Werenski has had the comfort of playing with Jones.

 

[mikeyp24]

I'll go with the better player in Provorov

Some people need ambian some people nees this. Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

 

[Ainec]

no ainec

 

[Hint1k]

i dont even think he is a 1d yet, let alone one of the top 10

Toronto has no clear 1st D. 4 defensmen with the almost same ice-time (1 minute difference).
While there is 3 minutes difference between Provorov and the next Flyer's defensman.

 

[Kiwi]

Toronto has no clear 1st D. 4 defensmen with the almost same ice-time (1 minute difference).
While Provorov has 3 more minutes of an average ice-time than any other Flyer's defensman.

What the ****?

We're not using points totals or QOC to decide what a #1D is now we're using TOI instead, what's next +/-?

 

[Sasso09]

What the ****?

We're not using points totals or QOC to decide what a #1D is now we're using TOI instead, what's next +/-?

Ummm... TOI is actually the main stat used in determining #1D since like, forever

 

[Kiwi]

Ummm... TOI is actually the main stat used in determining #1D since like, forever

It's a bull**** argument that's used when you've got nothing else

Rielly has 50 points and plays some of the toughest QOC in the league, that's what #1D do

By the TOI argument Matthews isn't a #1C because the Leafs spread the minutes around

 

[Sasso09]

It's a bull**** argument that's used when you've got nothing else

Rielly has 50 points and plays some of the toughest QOC in the league, that's what #1D do

By the TOI argument Matthews isn't a #1C because the Leafs spread the minutes around

Rielly isn't used and or trusted with huge minutes for a reason. He gets abused In them.

Is it a bullshit argument because it goes against your opinion?

Name one #1D In the league that averages less than 23-24 minutes a game? You can't.

Rielly plays 21 minutes a game good for 61st in the league. That wouldn't be if he was as valuable as a 1D is to a team.

 

[Kiwi]

Rielly isn't used and or trusted with huge minutes for a reason. He gets abused In them.

Is it a bull**** argument because it goes against your opinion?

Name one #1D In the league that averages less than 23-24 minutes a game? You can't.

Rielly plays 21 minutes a game good for 61st in the league. That wouldn't be if he was as valuable as a 1D is to a team.

So a guy with 50 points that gets some of the hardest usage in the league with Ron Hainsey isn't trusted by the coach and he's getting abused?

Do you actually have anything except TOI to back your assertion? I'd like to see your proof Rielly is getting filled in?

 

[OzFlyers]

And another thread gets taken over by Leafs fans.

 

[3074326]

I do think Provorov is a bit better than Werenski on D, but I'd rather have Werenski. I think he's going to be insane.

So will Provorov though. Too many good young dmen in this division.