Is Provorov top 10 all around d man yet?
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Tripod
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All at ES again too!
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Jtown
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That play can happen to any defender, hurt or not he's still the best defensive forward in the game, at very worst 2nd best
ImNeverWrong
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Remove couturier (13 pts on the pp is bad an he's not pulling his weight) off the first. Giroux at center, Provorov on the point.
Tripod
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Nope.
Giroux runs the PP from the halfwall. If Couts is removed, it needs to be for a guy who is a slot guy that can shoot. Maybe like a Lindblom. Not Provy.
Again, I just don't see Provy getting #1 PP time. And that's fine honestly. We have Ghost for that and he is one of the best.
If Provy can be top 10 in goals and ES points by a Dman, all while playing great defence, I am quite happy.
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Provy is versatile, and the flyers have a mobile setup on the pp. Giroux can still find himself along the half wall after winning a faceoff which he's better at than couturier anyways.
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LegionOfDoom91
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Provorov hasn’t done anything on the PP to bump out any of the top guys. I would honestly take him off it altogether for Sanheim if anything.
Because of the 2nd unit. The 1st unit has two of the very best PP players in the game in Giroux and Ghost
Flyers1928
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ghost - 3rd season, stud
provorov - 2nd season, stud
sanheim - rookie, looks a lot better since call up
myers first year in AHL and Morin should be in NHL but hurt all year
and hagg is a fine #5/6
maybe you are delusional
ImNeverWrong
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pp1 plays around 2/3 of the pp (66%). pp2 plays 1/3 (33%).
PP1 has 38 goals (76%), pp2 has 12 goals (24%). I'm sure all second units struggle more than the first unit. Based on ice time, the 2nd unit hasn't been languishing that much...9% drop off only.
First Unit
Couturier 3.1 pts per 60.
Giroux 7.6 pts per 60.
Simmonds 4.2 pts per 60.
Gostisbehere 6.7 pts per 60.
Vorachek 7.4 pts per 60.
Second Unit
Provorov 2.1 pts per 60.
Filppula 2.0 pts per 60.
Patrick 2.9 pts per 60.
Weal 1.7 pts per 60.
Konecny 1.6 pts per 60.
*note - These numbers aren't 100% perfect, as players cross over to different units on line changes and some injuries pushed certain players onto different units at times.
From what I gather, Couturier can be replaced to make a more effective first unit.
Also the flyers have given up the fourth most shorties with 10.
Provorov is a stud and should be given every opportunity to prove himself on the ice....being buried on a second pp unit doesnt give help him or the team in my opinion.
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GloryDaze4877
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In no particular order:
Pietrangelo
Josi
Doughty
Karlsson
Carlson
Jones
Suter
Risto
OEL
Ekblad
Werenski
Parayko
Ekholm
Subban
Burns
Fowler
McAvoy
Faulk
Klingberg
Hedman
All guys I would take over Provo (right now), but he will eclipse a lot of them in the next 2-3 years.
Considering he isn't philly's best dman this year. Either the answer is no. Or Ghost is even better than I thought.
GloryDaze4877
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The OP said “all around D” so I assumed he thinks Provo is better than Ghost defensively?
I don’t see enough Flyers games to say if that’s true or not.
Probably does think so, but. The thread is all around (not defensive dman), implying if you were considered better all around by virtue of defensive ability, it would need to be a sufficiently large gap to offset all around.
While I think Provo is better future #1 material, and I am happy with him this year, I just think Ghost is even better this season from an all around perspective.
Edit: I do wish it was a case where both were all around top-10 d. But Provorov isn't yet. And I'm not sure I would put Ghost there either. Glad to see Provo recieve recognition tho... Ghost def deserves a lil more.
Tripod
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Sigh. Why not listen to Flyers fans who watch the games?
You are right though....your numbers are wrong.
What they don't show is:
Filppula scored all 3 of his PP goals while in the 1st unit in October before Couturier took over in early November.
Conversely, Couts started on the 2nd unit and had 1 PPG in that unit in the first month of the season.
Provorov has 2 PPG....all while on the 1st unit when Ghost was out hurt.
Patrick has 3 PPG....all while on the 1st unit when Simmonds was hurt.
So now you are left with 5 PPG from the #2 unit all year. And honestly, ?I believe one of Weals was when he had come on early and was with the 1st unit.
Regardless, in order for Provy to be on the 1st unit, it means moving Voracek either off the PP to the 2nd unit, or into the slot and removing Couturier.
Neither is likely to happen.
And as you have seen, more people would like to see Provy off the PP all together and have Sanheim take over, than have him on the top unit. And as I said, not being on that top unit will always keep his points lower.
But that's ok, as maybe it also keeps his cap hit lower. We know his value even with roughly 10 less PP points a year.
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