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Is Pettersson a top 5 C in the league?
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gritdash60
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This thread was started in January of 2024. And it was arguable then.
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Exactly. And then when you’ve got Barkov dominating, Crosby not really slowing down, Hughes breaking out, etc, it’s extremely hard to take that 5th spot.
No it wasn’t. He’s never been in the discussion for being a top 5 center in the league. The question is just how close to being a top 5 center he was. At the time, he was arguably top 10. There are at least 6 centers who I can’t even see an argument for Pettersson ever being better than
Putting up a 110 point pace from December 2021 to January 2024 is meaningless I guess.
None of the two Jacks have even reached 100 points and if it weren’t for Pettersson struggling for the last 50 games he would’ve had 2 consecutive 100 point seasons playing with *checks notes* Mikheyev, Lafferty, Beauvillier, Hoglander, a slumping Lindholm, Podkolzin, and Kuzmenko as his linemates.
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This was my point. In January 2024, EP was in conversations with players like Barkov and Matthews. One can argue he shouldn't have been, much like the poster you quoted, but he doesn't seem to get he's doing just that.
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It’s not meaningless at all. Hence why I said he was arguably in the top 10 at that time. That’s not an insult. There are 4 centers (McDavid, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Matthews) who are clearly on a different level. And it’s pretty hard to make an argument that Barkov isn’t #5, and Crosby #6. How is it an insult to be in the discussion with guys like Hughes, Eichel, Point, etc?
I doubt you’ll find many people outside of Vancouver who would think Pettersson was in the conversation with Matthews. I’m not saying he’s crap. He was clearly an elite player over that stretch. He just also wasn’t in the discussion for top 5, despite not being far behind
Was just clarifying where I got the numbers from.
I voted in the neighbourhood originally, with the idea that he was in the group with 5-7 guys (Hughes, Eichel, Point, etc) after McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Drai and Barkov. I’d still say he’s in that group but the slump hurts to the point he’s probably in the low end of it.
The funny thing it, he’ll probably end up with another 85-90 point season or something and most people will forget about the 40-something games he struggled, because his season totals will still be solid last year and this one.
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Here two past polls that predate this one, which seem to show many people thought otherwise comparing Matthews to EP.
Elias Pettersson vs. Auston Matthews
I dont know what it is, but watching AM play, he kind of has a i dont give a crap attitude.... so much natural talent there, just needs to commit more maybe? I have to agree he just doesn't seem very excited on ice especially without puck. He is insanely dangerous shooting that biscuit though...
Pettersson vs Matthews going forward.
Which of these two young players would you take going forward and why? Personally I am not sure who's going to be better but I feel Pettersson has more room to grow as he is still built like a child.. However Matthews is probably going to be the better scorer of the two during their careers...
And more in line with top 5 centers, here's one from last February, where EP came in 5th overall, ahead of Hughes, Crosby, and Barkov.
This gets to the original point I made, which you responded to, namely, at the time this poll was created, many argued that he was in the top 5.
He was always in the conversation for the 6-10 range, never the top-5. Not even Canucks fans were saying top-5.
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Canucks fans are definitely in the highest tier of fanbases that overrate their players.
Throughout all of last season, it was very clear that:
1. McDavid
2/3/4/5. Matthews/MacKinnon/Barkov/Draisaitl
6. Crosby
Even at his absolute best, Pettersson never showed enough consistency over a long enough stretch to be ranked higher than seventh.
Every fanbase overrates their own players. Canucks fans if, anything, irrationally hate their players more than warranted when they have a cold stretch. Petey gets a ton of hate from his "fans".
Yes, that is the top five/six. No one was saying Pettersson is above them. The conversation is where Petey slots in the next tier.
This is literally a thread about if EP is a top 5 C, and 24% (153 votes) say yes. I would hazard that the Nucks fanbase is well represented in that group.
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He was a top 5 center at the time of this thread being made. But he isn't right now, not even close really. Talent wise he could be, but when he slumps offensively he really is a different guy. He's back to himself now but he doesn't take over games the way a Quinn Hughes does.
The nice part about Petey though is no matter if his offense is there he is always amazing in his own end and does so many little things right. It's why I wouldn't take most other comparable forwards over him as all round players. Great all round player, not in the top echelon due to inconsistency. Could get there though.
The nice part about Petey though is no matter if his offense is there he is always amazing in his own end and does so many little things right. It's why I wouldn't take most other comparable forwards over him as all round players. Great all round player, not in the top echelon due to inconsistency. Could get there though.
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7-9 range
His ex coach said he is about that range but what keeps him from being there is consistency as he is the biggest perfectionist he has ever coached, so when things aren’t going right he gets frustrated and gets off his game too easily.
His ex coach said he is about that range but what keeps him from being there is consistency as he is the biggest perfectionist he has ever coached, so when things aren’t going right he gets frustrated and gets off his game too easily.
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Canucks fans absolutely overrate their players more than other fans--at least on HF. They also are unreasonably harsh on their whipping boys.
According a very large number of Canucks fans, Hughes is the best dman in the league and has been Top 10 for several years. They've pushed JT Miller as a top 10 center for several seasons now too. And lest we forget Demko's reign as a Top 5 goalie.
Brother, look at the results from this poll. This thread is 13 pages of conversation about whether or not Pettersson was indeed Top 5. There are plenty of fans who automatically write off Crosby because he's old and Barkov because he isn't an Art Ross threat.
I'd wage a plurality of the people in the poll and thread are Canucks fans (clicked because it says Pettersson). So the majority of Canucks fans don't think he's top-five. And an overwhelming proportion of the general fan population do not.
Seems clear cut.
They don't man. Come to the Canucks board. Look at the Petey thread from like a month ago. Yeah, they're surely overrating him! Calling him a loser, soft, overpaid, should be traded. Sounds like Canucks fans think he's better than McDavid!
Hughes is the best defenseman in the league right now (and last season). That is just factual. Top-10 for the last few seasons is also factual. You don't know puck if you think otherwise.
Yes, the results of the poll are overwhelmingly (correct) that Petey is not top-five.
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Crosby was definitely number 6 last season. Despite being on a bad team that sold at the deadline, he still had one of his best seasons yet for EV production and 200 ft play.
NHL.com was correct to have him at six and Point at seven going into this season.
