Is Nikita Kucherov a Generational Talent? (Based on his NHL Career)

[authentic]

Haters always blind.

Top10 PPG:
Crosby 1*,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6
McDavid 1,1,1,1,1,2,2
Ovechkin 1,1,1,5,5,8,9,9
Kucherov 1,1,2,4,4,5,8
Malkin 1,2,2,3,3,3,4,6,7,8
Mackinnon 2,3,3,4,5,7,9

Top10 GPG:
Ovechkin 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,5,5,6,8,9
Crosby 1*,1,2,10
McDavid 1,3,8,9,9
Malkin 2,3,3,6,6
Kucherov 2,10
Mackinnon 5,8

*Sid played a half season it's absolutely not fair to give him 1st place for per game stat, but hockey-reference give him that, so it was added too.

Look at their best playoff runs, better points per game in a lower scoring era with worse linemates while being dominant in ways that Kucherov simply isn’t.

Ovechkin 11 goals and 21 points in 14 games in 2009, Malkin 36 points in 24 games, Crosby 31 in 24 (but tied with Malkin at 28 before Detroit series where Lidstrom and Zetterberg were glued to Crosby), 19 in 13 and 21 in 12. Kucherov has an impressive playoff career, one of the best of his era slightly behind MacKinnon and Draisaitl and a fair bit behind McDavid. I don’t get those who put him on the level of Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin to be honest other than considering nothing besides raw point totals.

Ovi's capitals won 3 president's trophies in a span of 8 years as well as a cup. They were absolutely stacked every year.

Not so stacked during his 65 goal season

 

[Puckstuff]

Putting Ovechkin on a tier with a guy with zero top PPG and GPG looks like a real hating.

That's not "hating". That's called having a different opinion. It might not be correct, but it's just a differing view.

Learn what the word hating means.

 

[Randyne]

Look at their best playoff runs, better points per game in a lower scoring era with worse linemates while being dominant in ways that Kucherov simply isn’t.

Misqoute?
Ovi was a beast in PO.

 

[The Macho King]

Misqoute?
Ovi was a beast in PO.

Lolwut?

 

[Randyne]

Lolwut?

Are you authentic?

That's not "hating". That's called having a different opinion. It might even be the wrong opinion, but it's an opinion.

OK then.

 

[GOilers88]

And zero/zero in a span of 30 years. If there was Ovi, the Caps would be stacked too.

What the f***?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Kucherov's best season is 144 points with 2 cups. Ovechkin's best season is 112 points with only 1 cup. He will also have more 100 point seasons after this year most likely and he's only 31. He could have another 2-3, 100 point years.

Even when I calculate for the inflation in scoring, I still think Kucherov's best year being 32 points higher then Ovie's best year is higher then the increase in scoring.

Top 6-7 players of the last 20 years, IMO.

1. McDavid
2. Crosby
3. Kucherov/Mackinnon/Malkin/Ovechkin
4. Shesterkin - could possibly reach the top 5 if he continues his dominance and wins cups.

It's debateable if he's even the best Rangers goalie of the last 20 years.

 

[Randyne]

What the f***?

Zero President trophies and zero cups 30 years before Ovi. Sorry if that wasn't so clear.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

generational whiner maybe

What we need around here is an anti-whining ordinance.

This has gotten worse over the past few months, so I'm posting here about it now. There are a fair number of people on these boards who only want to read two types of things on the NHL Talk board: (1) good news about their team and players, and (2) bad news about their rivals' teams and...

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[benfranklin]

While I totally agree that it is a great accomplishment and Kucherov will forever be in history books for that, it is only one season where this was done. It's not "generation". It also just happens to be by a winger, I think there's centers that could have done it if they would have played as wingers.

Also I wouldn't hold your breath for the "once in a lifetime"-part. I'd be pretty surprised if it doesn't happen against within this decade.

It will happen this season probably. Scoring is up dramatically. Empty net points are up dramatically. Its all inflated compared to other eras of hockey.

Makar is currently on pace for 141 assists and obviously will maintain that pace and become the first dman to do it, yet still not be "generational".

 

[Arto Kilponen]

It will happen this season probably. Scoring is up dramatically. Empty net points are up dramatically. Its all inflated compared to other eras of hockey.

Makar is currently on pace for 141 assists and obviously will maintain that pace and become the first dman to do it, yet still not be "generational".

I don't think Makar will finish anywhere close to 141 assists. Even stating that he will play 82 games during this regular season is quite optimistic.

But there's a chance he'd get to that 100 assists anyway, would be interesting to see the odds of him doing that. I think even those heavily favors the "under" part.

 

[authentic]

Misqoute?
Ovi was a beast in PO.

Read my post again, I was referring to Ovechkin being better in the playoffs at his best

 

[wintersej]

No.

There are three generational talents in the NHL:

Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid.

That's it. That's the whole list.

Agree and in the last 20 years I think Kucherov comes in at number 4.

But it’s a real drop off to get to him.

 

[Randyne]

Read my post again, I was referring to Ovechkin being better in the playoffs at his best

Of course he was better. I'm not the one putting him on 6th place in this generation. That's why I'm asking about misquote.

 

[GOilers88]

Zero President trophies and zero cups 30 years before Ovi. Sorry if that wasn't so clear.

What does 30 years before Ovi have to do with Ovi being on some stacked teams and winning President's Trophies?

You said he didn't play on stacked teams. He absolutely did.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I feel like generational should mean the best at their position in their generation.

Was Kucherov the best winger in the world during his career? Strong argument.

So yea I think he's a generational winger.

 

[authentic]

Of course he was better. I'm not the one putting him on 6th place in this generation. That's why I'm asking about misquote.

I mean Kucherov is amazing but I don’t think people realize how good Ovechkin was from 2007-10. Like the top 4 is undeniable to me then you can argue the order after that

 

[Randyne]

What does 30 years before Ovi have to do with Ovi being on some stacked teams and winning President's Trophies?

You said he didn't play on stacked teams. He absolutely did.

He didn't. Extract his goals, hits, captaincy and there wouldn't be those trophies just like 30 years before him.

 

[GOilers88]

He didn't. Extract his goals, hits, captaincy and there wouldn't be those trophies just like 30 years before him.

Lol.

Okay.

 

[benfranklin]

I don't think Makar will finish anywhere close to 141 assists. Even stating that he will play 82 games during this regular season is quite optimistic.

But there's a chance he'd get to that 100 assists anyway, would be interesting to see the odds of him doing that. I think even those heavily favors the "under" part.

I dont either. That is unsustainable and missing random games.

"Generational" to me is being in another tier above all your piers at your position at a certain time for a stretch of multiple seasons, not one or two offs. Often there are a lot of great players but no real separation. I separate the eras like this:

A. Pre-1966 when there were 6 teams and no one knew what hockey was.
B. Pre 1980 when there were like 15 teams in the league, wooden sticks, and everyone smoked and drank during games.
C. 1980s insanity where goalies were glorified traffic cones and didnt know how to use their skates to pivot in the crease.
D. 1990s until the 05 lockout clutch and grab low scoring
E. Post lockout to McDavid
f. McDavid to present time and can argue were entering a new era now with such high scoring

A. Howe
B. Orr
C. Gretz and maybe Coffey/Bourque.
D. Lemieux for a minute sans injuries. Jagr is the next closest but still on the edge. Lidstrom started to show signs. Hasek maybe.
E. Lidstrom/Crosby/Ovechkin.
F. Mcdavid/Makar with an opening for Bedard/Celebrini to get in.

Like McDavid right now is hands down the best offensive player. Makar from most people gets the same nod on defense. Does that mean they are going to run away with the hardware every year? No, someone will win some years, but those two are the consistent ones always at the top of their positions.

Kuch, MacKinnon, Pasta, Drais, Matthews, etc. All great, but not generational.
Josi, Hughes, Karlsson, Hedman, etc. All great, but not generational.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I feel like generational should mean the best at their position in their generation.

Was Kucherov the best winger in the world during his career? Strong argument.

So yea I think he's a generational winger.

How far do u take that? Is ld different than rd even though it’s essentially the same role? Just lines up at a slightly different place during face offs.