Is mcdavid too good not to win a cup?

[edog37]

You can say what you want, you are implying that Crosby did something magically different than McDavid defensively when he played that it was such a big factor that it outweighs him scoring 4 points in 7 games vs. McDavid scoring 11 points in 7 games in their respective final series, and that because McDavid didn't score in game 7 and they lost, and Crosby didn't score and they won, they won because of his defense, but Oilers didn't win because of McDavid of him not scoring 12-14 points in the series.

Fact is Penguins had better depth help offensively when it comes to a more rounded game, and more core depth in regards to goalies + better depth on defense. If Penguins was soo bad like many claim, Detroit would have scored 4-5 goals or won it in six games.

Fact is Penguins was a better team than what Penguins fans try to give them credit for.

Fact is, Sid is a far better captain than McOverrated.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

When Fleury lets in goals: all his fault

When Skinner lets in goals: team defense (somehow usually McDavid’s) fault

Pens fans logic in a nutshell.

The goals Fleury gave up are on YouTube. He literally put the puck in his own net.

It's a good thing people are able to use their eyes and evaluate performance and isolate it from their team. Well, some of us at least.

This is what terrible goaltending looks like, not letting in goals on numerous cross crease passes or guys between the circles with time and space:

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Finals stats

Crosby
20pts 25gp +3
Scoreless in 12 of 25
5v5
405:15toi 16:12toi/g
12 pts (1.78 p/60)
14gf (2.07 gf/60) 12ga (1.78 ga/60) +0.29/60
AllStrenght
15tk 24gv

McDavid
11pts 7gp +5
Scoreless in 3 of 7
5v5
110:36toi 15:48toi/g
6 pts (3.25 p/60)
7gf (3.80 gf/60) 2ga (1.08 ga/60) +2.72/60
AllStrenght
10tk 8gv

Only 2 goals allowed in 110 minutes of 5v5 play for McDavid in the finals, but yeah sure, he didn't do enough. Lines with McDavid have produced almost at a double clip in the finals at 5v5 than lines with Crosby in the finals, while allowing close to 2/3 the goals on average.

McDavid only needs 9 pts in his next 18 finals games to catch-up to Crosby.

 

[PainForShane]

I guess it's true, the Oilers are such a shit team outside of him and Drai it literally is all on him and Drai and if they don't have monster games, they're not going to win.

So they need him to put up over 2ppg to even get to the game 7’s… and then also need him to score 2+pts in game 7s as well…

But sure, it’s all his fault

Who the hell are you people even talking to right now. What you're saying isn't even close to what I said in direct responses to you. Repeatedly.

To NVious -- Oilers won game 7 against Vancouver and game six against Florida without McDavid's help offensively. Drai had a single assist in both those games (so 2 total assists in 2 games). Afaik we aren't talking about Drai at all, so not sure why you brought him up. Even still, I don't think any sane person would characterize Drai's 2 points in those two games as "monster games" and obviously the Oilers won those games. So no, it literally is not all on him and Drai, the team they have over there has shown they can win at times in the playoffs without monster games from those two.

To nbwingsfan -- no, they don't need McDavid to put up over 2ppg even get to game 7s. In fact McDavid didn't even average over 2ppg during the playoffs, 42 points in 25 games is 1.68 ppg which is slightly higher than his historical 1.61ppg. And Oilers won gm 6 without his offensive contributions, which we've been over already, they got to game 7 without him doing anything in game 6. Every would've known this even if I hadn't repeatedly brought it up. So wtf are you even talking about.

Also like I said, repeatedly, in multiple posts, it's not all his fault.

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If you can't be bothered to understand a basic argument, I don't know why you're deciding to engage in conversation. Furthermore, it's not my responsibilty (nor is it anyone else's) to pretend we're in agreement with the imaginary voices in your heads

 

[TheLegend27]

The goals Fleury gave up are on YouTube. He literally put the puck in his own net.

It's a good thing people are able to use their eyes and evaluate performance and isolate it from their team. Well, some of us at least.

This is what terrible goaltending looks like, not letting in goals on numerous cross crease passes or guys between the circles with time and space:

Skinner put a puck into his own net game one too… Fleury is atleast a first overall pick and has had a past history of great goaltending. Skinner and Pickard have no history at all, so saying they’ll magically improve if they play for say… Florida, just doesn’t make sense.

Not being able to track pucks and terrible lateral movement makes Skinner terrible. Those are vital goalie characteristics and he’s objectively terrible at them. Sure, Skinner is left out to dry sometimes, but he never comes away with a save, unlike Fleury who covered up Pens mistakes for example in 2017 Washington game 7. Or how about Fleury’s last minute save game 7 2009?. Replace him with Skinner, Skinner doesn’t catch that and it’s a tie game, where the Pens could lose the Cup in OT. You won’t win if your goaltender concedes on every mistake you make.

 

[miscs75]

It’s like the Rick Nash CBJ era. He has next to no supporting cast. Edmonton needs a roster overhaul. Find some quality depth for the bottom 6 and goaltending that can give you the save.

 

[TheLegend27]

Finals stats

Crosby
20pts 25gp +3
Scoreless in 12 of 25
5v5
405:15toi 16:12toi/g
12 pts (1.78 p/60)
14gf (2.07 gf/60) 12ga (1.78 ga/60) +0.29/60
AllStrenght
15tk 24gv

McDavid
11pts 7gp +5
Scoreless in 3 of 7
5v5
110:36toi 15:48toi/g
6 pts (3.25 p/60)
7gf (3.80 gf/60) 2ga (1.08 ga/60) +2.72/60
AllStrenght
10tk 8gv

Only 2 goals allowed in 110 minutes of 5v5 play for McDavid in the finals, but yeah sure, he didn't do enough. Lines with McDavid have produced almost at a double clip in the finals at 5v5 than lines with Crosby in the finals, while allowing close to 2/3 the goals on average.

McDavid only needs 9 pts in his next 18 finals games to catch-up to Crosby.

Never realized how much better and more dominant McDavid is at gf/60 and ga/60 than Crosby. Can’t believe some are blaming the finals loss on him when he’s been on ice for 2 ga the entire seven games.

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

It’s like the Rick Nash CBJ era. He has next to no supporting cast. Edmonton needs a roster overhaul. Find some quality depth for the bottom 6 and goaltending that can give you the save.

McDavid has a LOT more roster support than Nash did. Drai and Bouchard, are better than any one CBJ during the Nash era, including Nash. Well maybe not Bouch, but close enough

 

[miscs75]

McDavid has a LOT more roster support than Nash did. Drai and Bouchard, are better than any one CBJ during the Nash era, including Nash. Well maybe not Bouch, but close enough

Still a shallow roster nonetheless. If Tampa can do it with Kuch, Point and Hedman; Edmonton can figure it out with McDrai and Bouch.

 

[joepeps]

Fact is, Sid is a far better captain than McOverrated.

Well... Pitts had way better teams, with better depth, way better d and 10000 times better goalies lol

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

Well... Pitts had way better teams, with better depth, way better d and 10000 times better goalies lol

Undoubtedly. However if you were to put it to a poll, Sid would win favor as a Captain 10/10 times

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Well... Pitts had way better teams, with better depth, way better d and 10000 times better goalies lol

Edmonton last year had better in arguably all 3 than the 09 Penguins, especially after Gonchar was injured.