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Is Marner slumping or is it Matthews?

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Teeder Keon said:
Slumping , points wise , yes !
Opportunity wise , no !
Chances wise , no !
Will the points come back ? Of course !
Why ?
Because !
The fact that these 2 have been elite athletes and hockey players their entire lives and have produced their entire careers at the highest result level possible!
cmon !
Do you actually think that a 2 week or so period in their lives and careers of not “ getting the most points possible “ is going derail them forever ?
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Exactly. Just like a 2-3 week period of being 2 PPPG will not last.

If they were creating zero chances, I would worry.
 
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I’ll sum it up why they are not producing again in one word. Predictable.
More to it than that obviously but they aren’t very fluid right now
 
Let's also not compare apples and oranges as well.

Power-play Total Ice-time.
#1 - Leon Draisaitl with 161:35 minutes
#2 - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins with 160:15 minutes
#3 - Connor McDavid with 159:29 minutes
#17 - Nazem Kadri with 127:45
#51 - Michell Marner with 105:56
#62 - Auston Matthews with 101:33

Even-strength scoring:
#6 - Marner
#8 - Matthews

Do you think if you gave Marner an extra 55 minutes on the power-play he could produce 9 points and catch up to Leon Draisaitl who's currently 2nd in scoring?
Do you think if you gave Matthews an HOUR of power-play time, he could produce 13 points and catch up?
 
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Mitch is 2G 6A over his last 10

Matty is 3G 3A over his last 10 and 0G over his last 5

I suspect that Mitch looks like he's in a bit of a drought because Matty isn't scoring at anywhere near his pace which isn't occurring because Mitch is not setting him up for his usual number of looks,

Matty's shooting either off the net(some open net looks), or hesitating long enough that the goaltender can make the stop, plus add in a bunch of posts. If even half of those real good chances go in then Matty has at least 8 goals over the last 10 and that would give Mitch 11 apples.

So it's symbiotic in some sense but I think it's Matty that's having the tougher time of it.
 
You just need fresh looks to scramble other teams game plans. We're playing the 6 teams over and over again and it would be helpful if we did a little Marner-Tavares and a little Matthews-Nylander once in a while.
 
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I think it's fair to say Marners game has looked a bit off since the Matthews injury. Almost seems like he's over compensating and trying to do too much.

I wouldn't say this is something worth overly critiquing the guy though. He's probably having the best season of his career (so far( overall
 
Matthews is hurt and the puck is bouncing funny. Their two way game has been great and they will be fine
 
Probably both along with his percentages coming back down to earth. He wasn't going to maintain his 40 goal/120 point pace, but he can probably maintain his 30 goal/100 point pace.
 
I think a more interesting question is: What level of concern should fans have when Marner or Matthews experience slumps vs <insert bottom six, bottom pairing, 3rd string goaltending here>?

There are slumps and then there are slumps. On the Borje Salming Leafs Fan Anxiety Scale, I think being worried over these two is about a two.

Bringing in Taylor Hall would be an 8.
Hiring Phil Kessel as a nutritionist might be a 9.
Steve Briere as a goaltending coach is a solid 10 - For fann i helvete!!!
 
IrishInOntario said:
People have this unhealthy notion in mind that Toronto's guys are going to somehow going keep pace with McDavid and Draisaitl. It's just not going to happen.

Marner is on roughly a 100 point 82 game pace.

Matthews is on roughly a 100 point 82 game pace.

That's super elite man. It's not McDavid and Draisaitl, but it's still amazing.
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Auston Matthews is better than Draisatl at everything

The injury f***ed him up or he would’ve blown right by him

No doubt Mcdavid is by himself, but the closest player is Matthews not draisatl

I’ve never seen draisatl take over a game. It’s always mcdavid and draisatl is more of their Marner, where he just racks up points.
 
As mentioned already you worry when the chances aren't there. As long as the chances are there the points will come
How many posts has Matthews had recently? All part of the game.
 
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Mats13 said:
Auston Matthews is better than Draisatl at everything

The injury f***ed him up or he would’ve blown right by him

No doubt Mcdavid is by himself, but the closest player is Matthews not draisatl

I’ve never seen draisatl take over a game. It’s always mcdavid and draisatl is more of their Marner, where he just racks up points.
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Some of us really have to stop underselling Draisatl. This dude had 110 points in 71 games last year and you don't think he ever takes over games? What do you think he was doing while McDavid was injured last year?

He's definitely more cerebral than flashy but that dude is a damn efficient hockey player. Wins tons of battles, smart as hell, fantastic passer, and a deadly shooter. It just comes as super petty when some of us drag him down to feel better about Matthews.
 
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They're fine. They're still dominating the opposition on a nightly basis, Matthews could've scored a hat trick against Ottawa, he generated that many grade A chances.
 
Mats13 said:
Auston Matthews is better than Draisatl at everything

The injury f***ed him up or he would’ve blown right by him

No doubt Mcdavid is by himself, but the closest player is Matthews not draisatl

I’ve never seen draisatl take over a game. It’s always mcdavid and draisatl is more of their Marner, where he just racks up points.
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Matthews is and has not shown to be a better offensive player than draisaitl the last 3 years. They are completely different level of players offensively since 2019

Draisaitl is clear cut 2nd best player in the league.

His play making is just to far above Matthews, for matthews to be ahead at the present time. Matthews needs to become a more dominant playmaker and start generating more chances for his wingersti get more assists and overcome the gap in production. Matthews has routinely had hot starts and cooled off so the injury excuse doesn't hold. Until he shows he can maintain that level of dominance across a full year it's all speculation. He is a 95-100 point elite center.

He is a franchise player and his two way gap closes the gap between him and Draisaitl but offensively draisaitl wins quite comfortably

What Draisaitl did last year matthews wont ever do, he cant put near 2 ppg with RNH and yammato level linemates for near 30ish games

Having Matthews ahead of draisaitl is pure leaf bias, until matthews actually does something to prove he is that level

Marner is also a better offensive player than Matthews. Marner drives the 1st line more often than Matthews and he is our best offensive option
 
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Marner isn't slumping. He's still the same-old playmaking water-bug out there. His efforts aren't ending up on the score-sheet as much because he's not a great finisher and Matthews is slumping. Not to mention the winger across from his has been painfully slow and non-existent lately.

Throwing Hyman back on that line would go a long way in getting the first line back on the scoresheet.
 
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