Is Leon Draisaitl Gonna Break Nathan Mackinnon's HART

[jigglysquishy]

Sportsnet reporting Draisaitl and McDavid to miss 3 or 4 games each.

That would wrap up the Hart and Ross.

 

[Chet Manley]

Draisaitl is a much better player this year than when he won the Hart or at any other time. Impressive with and without the puck. Driving more offence with inconsistent wingers. Weird how these things work out.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Sportsnet reporting Draisaitl and McDavid to miss 3 or 4 games each.

That would wrap up the Hart and Ross.

Ross probably, dont think it would necessarily end the Hart race...

Though if Mack ends up getting to a ~10 point advantage then maybe that would be enough.

 

[WPGDEVILS]

Helly is the favourite to win according to Vegas, by a decent margin too.

 

[landy]

Your team has won a cup recently. Why are you this insecure?

Because it is funny watching Oilers fans brag about a billion points in the Playoffs while losing. Sit down until this core gets a Cup.

 

[slapKing]

What about Helle? How are his chances winning the Hart?

 

[landy]

Helly is the favourite to win according to Vegas, by a decent margin too.

What about Helle? How are his chances winning the Hart?

Changes often. Vegas usually gets it right at the end, but now is a bunch of odds shifting to get betters to go in on different guys to hedge themselves. Vegas always wins.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

Because it is funny watching Oilers fans brag about a billion points in the Playoffs while losing. Sit down until this core gets a Cup.

You're a sad, strange, little man.

 

[josra33]

Because it is funny watching Oilers fans brag about a billion points in the Playoffs while losing. Sit down until this core gets a Cup.

They literally use any and all random ass metrics other than what truly matters.

 

[Habssince89]

It will be an interesting finish if they all can stay healthy. IMHO- Kucherov is far from the NHL's biggest villain. Methinks you watch Don Cherry for inspiration.

Do you think it's because he's euro.... Or is it his dirty play, sore winning and losing, and general asshole behaviour? It's him not his place of birth

 

[CostaRica]

1. Draisaitl
2. Helly
3. Big Mac

Bet on it

 

[landy]

1. Draisaitl
2. Helly
3. Big Mac

Bet on it

Current odds. Draisaitl is basically out of it now without a few 5 point games thrown in there when he returns. I'd be shocked if voters switch to a goalie since Helle has done nothing more than he has all season and Mac/Drais were ahead then.

 

[bobholly39]

Sportsnet reporting Draisaitl and McDavid to miss 3 or 4 games each.

That would wrap up the Hart and Ross.

When is Draisaitl returning? He already missed 2 games - are we saying he could miss ~1 more game only for 3 total? Considering Oilers have a game in hand on Colorado - that puts him and Mack at remaining games played, with a 3 point gap, and still wide open race for Hart/Ross.

If you're saying 3-4 more additional games, that could start to add up.

I also wouldn't completely discount Kucherov on Ross. He's 7 points behind MacKinnon with 1 game in hand. But both Oilers and Tampa seem to have an easier schedule left than Colorado.

Edmonton plays San Jose 3x in April. Tampa plays Buffalo 2x. Potential for lots of points.

 

[Duke74]

When is Draisaitl returning? He already missed 2 games - are we saying he could miss ~1 more game only for 3 total? Considering Oilers have a game in hand on Colorado - that puts him and Mack at remaining games played, with a 3 point gap, and still wide open race for Hart/Ross.

If you're saying 3-4 more additional games, that could start to add up.

I also wouldn't completely discount Kucherov on Ross. He's 7 points behind MacKinnon with 1 game in hand. But both Oilers and Tampa seem to have an easier schedule left than Colorado.

Edmonton plays San Jose 3x in April. Tampa plays Buffalo 2x. Potential for lots of points.

Yeah, I think it definitely depends on how long he's out for. The prognosis was a week, but it may be longer. At this point, it's probably safe to bet on Mack or Helly hence the Vegas odds.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

This thread has taken a hilarious turn. All this back and forth between Drai and MacK, and now its Hellybuck's to lose.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

What about Helle? How are his chances winning the Hart?

I think the fact this thread has dried up in posting about MacK and Drai tells you everything you need to know. Not much interesting to talk about now that a goalie popped up as the overwhelming favorite with less than a month remaining.

 

[McFlyingV]

Because it is funny watching Oilers fans brag about a billion points in the Playoffs while losing. Sit down until this core gets a Cup.

I think even you are smart enough to see that McDavid and Draisaitl would have won a cup if they had the 2021-22 Avs roster surrounding them.

 

[Romang67]

What about Helle? How are his chances winning the Hart?

A goalie's winning the Hart seems to always coincide with a very down year in scoring compared to surrounding years (see Price, Theodore, Hasek x2).

I guess if MacKinnon doesn't hit 120, it might seen as a massively disappointing year given that four players cracked it last season, when MacKinnon himself had 140 points.

So it's not impossible, but I wouldn't bet on it. The last time a forward was around that number and didn't win it, it was Lemieux, who was just coming off scoring 161 points the season before.

 

[daver]

A goalie's winning the Hart seems to always coincide with a very down year in scoring compared to surrounding years (see Price, Theodore, Hasek x2).

I guess if MacKinnon doesn't hit 120, it might seen as a massively disappointing year given that four players cracked it last season, when MacKinnon himself had 140 points.

So it's not impossible, but I wouldn't bet on it. The last time a forward was around that number and didn't win it, it was Lemieux, who was just coming off scoring 161 points the season before.

Hasek was dominating the goalie position like the Big 4 dominated in those two seasons.

The Art Ross race this year is somewhat average and Helle isn't doing Hasek things so he likely gets a nomination at this point.

 

[landy]

I think even you are smart enough to see that McDavid and Draisaitl would have won a cup if they had the 2021-22 Avs roster surrounding them.

I am. I am also smart enough to do the math. Insert McDavid ($12.5) and Draisaitl ($8.5) and remove MacKinnon ($6.3) and Rantanen ($9.25) Right?

$5.5 difference. Additions to the Avs were Kadri ($4.5), Burakovsky ($4.9), Lehkonen ($1.15), Helm ($1.0), and Sturm ($725k).

Pick whatever combination of players to also remove. Likely Kadri/Burakovsky and Lehkonen/Helm. Could they have still won? Maybe, but that $12.5 to $6.3 difference in McDavid and MacKinnon, I can easily argue is what won them the Cup. Kadri was pretty massive, as well as Lehkonen and Burakovsky.

 

[McFlyingV]

I am. I am also smart enough to do the math. Insert McDavid ($12.5) and Draisaitl ($8.5) and remove MacKinnon ($6.3) and Rantanen ($9.25) Right?

$5.5 difference. Late additions to the Avs were Kadri ($4.5), Lehkonen ($1.15), Helm ($1.0), and Sturm ($725k).

Pick whatever combination of players to also remove. Likely Kadri and Lehkonen or Helm. Could they have still won? Maybe, but that $12.5 to $6.3 difference in McDavid and MacKinnon, I can easily argue is what won them the Cup. Kadri was pretty massive, as well as Lehkonen.

Removing Kadri pretty much covers the cap difference. I think Kadri becomes even less significant when you're adding 2 franchise centres. Given how stacked the Avs were I think that team still wins the cup easily with McDavid/Drai over Mack/Rant/Kadri.

But yes that's part of what helped Colorado win a cup is Mackinnon not breaking out until he was locked up long-term.

 

[landy]

Removing Kadri pretty much covers the cap difference. I think Kadri becomes even less significant when you're adding 2 franchise centres. Given how stacked the Avs were I think that team still wins the cup easily with McDavid/Drai over Mack/Rant/Kadri.

But yes that's part of what helped Colorado win a cup is Mackinnon not breaking out until he was locked up long-term.

Yeah makes for a lot of hypotheticals. Same with having McDavid and the 16-17 48 point season never happens, Duchene never requests a trade, Makar is never drafted, etc etc etc

 

[josra33]

I think even you are smart enough to see that McDavid and Draisaitl would have won a cup if they had the 2021-22 Avs roster surrounding them.

Lot of ifs and would haves in there

 

[josra33]

I am. I am also smart enough to do the math. Insert McDavid ($12.5) and Draisaitl ($8.5) and remove MacKinnon ($6.3) and Rantanen ($9.25) Right?

$5.5 difference. Additions to the Avs were Kadri ($4.5), Burakovsky ($4.9), Lehkonen ($1.15), Helm ($1.0), and Sturm ($725k).

Pick whatever combination of players to also remove. Likely Kadri/Burakovsky and Lehkonen/Helm. Could they have still won? Maybe, but that $12.5 to $6.3 difference in McDavid and MacKinnon, I can easily argue is what won them the Cup. Kadri was pretty massive, as well as Lehkonen and Burakovsky.

We don’t let facts get in the way of a good hypothetical around these parts…

 

[ManofSteel55]

Helly is the favourite to win according to Vegas, by a decent margin too.

I think that would be a shocker for most NHL fans though. Goalies and defensemen always have an uphill battle for the Hart, and aside from Hasek's complete domination in the late 90s, goalies only win when no forward had an especially great season. I don't think you can say that this year with MacKinnon and Draisaitl (pre-injury).