Is Leon Draisaitl Gonna Break Nathan MacKinnon's Hart?

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

2 assists for Draisaitl. Too bad his goalie is dogshit while MacK's team has an actual NHL goalie.

And an actual NHL front office, scouting, etc etc etc.

Funny what a commitment to winning will do.

*Secondary assists for Draisaitl...in a loss...to the Sabres.

28 games with Georgiev/backups this season. Avs should be leading the Presidents race then. Curious what McDavid and Drais would do if they started every game 0-3 0-4.

I would suggest going to check what happened the last two times the Avs/Oilers played.

 

[Spilot23]

No.

The Avs are simply a better run team than the Oilers are at all facets of the game. The Oilers are handicapped by some of the worst management in the league.

It was sarcasm though but I understand the excitement of Oilers fans after seeing Bouchard’s production last playoffs. Despite our GM making the best effort to make this team better with trades he still receives criticism from a little portion of Avs fans. When I compare him to other GMs that either do nothing or makes stupid trades after stupid trades it’s hard to be mad at CMac or should I say formerly named CNap

 

[Duke74]

*Secondary assists for Draisaitl...in a loss...to the Sabres.

28 games with Georgiev/backups this season. Avs should be leading the Presidents race then. Curious what McDavid and Drais would do if they started every game 0-3 0-4.

Yes, I'm sure both teams would have better records with better goaltending. As you can see now with the Avs. Oilers should have upgraded their goaltending, at least by the deadline, but sadly, I'm not the GM.

 

[benfranklin]

And an actual NHL front office, scouting, etc etc etc.

Funny what a commitment to winning will do.


I would suggest going to check what happened the last two times the Avs/Oilers played.

Found the last relevant game they played against eachother.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Found the last relevant game they played against eachother.

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I think you missed the point, but I'll lay it out for you. You asked what McDavid and Draisatl would do if they started every game down 0-3 or 0-4. ...That's precisely what happened when they played the Avalanche the last two times, and indeed many, many times as of late.

It was sarcasm though but I understand the excitement of Oilers fans after seeing Bouchard’s production last playoffs. Despite our GM making the best effort to make this team better with trades he still receives criticism from a little portion of Avs fans. When I compare him to other GMs that either do nothing or makes stupid trades after stupid trades it’s hard to be mad at CMac or should I say formerly named CNap

Our inept management is ignored by the media. They've been fed their marching orders to blame the coach/goalie/whoever's most convenient.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

they should make an award for the player that scores the most goals

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Drai had a better shot when the Oilers had a better record.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I think Drai and McKinnon will be 1 and 2. It's still up in the air

3. Going with Hellebuyck

 

[benfranklin]

When does the narrative start that Drais is dragging a bad team kicking and screaming into the playoffs because McDavid is having an off year? A few more losses from being next to the Flames and Canucks.

 

[authentic]

For the first six games after the trade, Mac had 1 goal and 5 points and lost his Art Ross lead.

In the last 10 games, Mac has 7 goals and 22 points, including ONE empty net point.

For those want to give Drai an edge due to his goalscoring, then you have to consider Mac's edge in primary assists. McDavid never gets dinged for not being the goals leader given his elite playmaking.

For those who look at EN points, Drai has more 3 on 3 OT points, all but one shared with you know who.

I am not sure that Mac needs that much of a lead in points to beat Draisaitl. His performance since the trade is starting to become a compelling narrative and the Avs have now passed the Oilers in the standings after being behind before the trade.

All one has to do is watch these players, in my honest opinion. I wouldn’t claim it’s not close but MacKinnon is still the better player to me.

 

[Duke74]

Found the last relevant game they played against eachother.

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That was actually the Avs vs. Lightning. If you're going to troll, at least get your facst straight

 

[GirardSpinorama]

That was actually the Avs vs. Lightning. If you're going to troll, at least get your facst straight

Uh the picture was taken in edmonton..

 

[a mangy Meowth]

That was actually the Avs vs. Lightning. If you're going to troll, at least get your facst straight

 

[benfranklin]

That was actually the Avs vs. Lightning. If you're going to troll, at least get your facst straight

lol um

 

[Dallas Winston]

Everyone here is way over analyzing empty net points. Last year we all thought it would be a tight race and most leaned towards Kuch. MacKinnon won in dominating fashion and his multiple 30+ point 19 game point streaks had a lot to do with it.

He had Makar (90) and Rantanen (104) last season too. If anything, losing Rantanen this season should give MacKinnon more votes.

Leon obviously has McDavid "only" which IMO will always be held against him, but Matthews won the Hart with 60-46 being 17 points behind McDavid. That year IMO McDavid/Leon cancelled each other out and Matthews won pretty convincingly.

Going off that all, I think Kuch may sneak away with it this year. Its pretty balanced after him for Tampa and obviously he is the common denominator.

So my vote today goes for MacKinnon, then Kuch, then Makar.

I really think the 60-60 argument for Leon is big, but same can be said for Makar if hits 30-70, or even 35-70 which is very possible. 100 points for a dman is massive

Matthews won the hart that year cause at the time 60 goals was a crazy feat that had not been done in 10 years and twice in almost 20 years. Now that 60 goals is the new 50 not nearly as special. If matthews doesnt score 60 in 2022 real good chance he wins with his 69 in 2023

 

[LuGBuG]

Prefer not. Would love to see Nate get it again.

 

[olli]

Lol put MacKinnon with McDavid and he would be tearing up the league even more with at least 20 more points than what he has now. Anybody saying the opposite is lying to himself.

And likewise, Draisaitl would have at least 15-20 less points playing away from McDavid.

This year Drai has had a bigger affect on McDavid stats then McDavid has had on Drais stats

 

[HugginThePost]

Uh the picture was taken in edmonton..

Come on! You know how much those Bolts fans love wearing their Oiler merch!! Duh!!

 

[OilWagon]

This year Drai has had a bigger affect on McDavid stats then McDavid has had on Drais stats

Not to mention Mack plays all his ice time with Makar on the ice and one of Rantannen or Necas on his wing. I'd take that over Mcdavid half the time at even strength and full time on the pp.

Hilarious people try to play it off like Mackinnon isn't playing with elite players at all times.

 

[benfranklin]

Not to mention Mack plays all his ice time with Makar on the ice and one of Rantannen or Necas on his wing. I'd take that over Mcdavid half the time at even strength and full time on the pp.

Hilarious people try to play it off like Mackinnon isn't playing with elite players at all times.

Interesting how this narrative died hard, but McDavid's billion point playoff while losing is still a argument point.

And everyone for years now has said MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Kucherov, and McDavid in whatever order you want. Its nice that you prop Rantanen and Necas into that tier and pretend like its apples to apples.

 

[OilWagon]

Interesting how this narrative died hard, but McDavid's billion point playoff while losing is still a argument point.

And everyone for years now has said MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Kucherov, and McDavid in whatever order you want. Its nice that you prop Rantanen and Necas into that tier and pretend like its apples to apples.

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They're obviously not in that tier you're clearly missing my point or misrepresenting it. My point is Draisaitl plays half his even strength minutes with Mcdavid while Mack has played almost all of his with either Rant or Necas, both of which are either elite or borderline elite. Also you conveniently ignore the part about Mack being on the ice almost the entire game with the best defenseman in the world.

Edit- oh I saw your little picture, yeah Bouchard was amazing last playoffs. How is that relevant to this year's Hart conversation? Are you trying to compare Bouchard to Makar?

 

[Duke74]

They're obviously not in that tier you're clearly missing my point or misrepresenting it. My point is Draisaitl plays half his even strength minutes with Mcdavid while Mack has played almost all of his with either Rant or Necas, both of which are either elite or borderline elite. Also you conveniently ignore the part about Mack being on the ice almost the entire game with the best defenseman in the world.

Edit- oh I saw your little picture, yeah Bouchard was amazing last playoffs. How is that relevant to this year's Hart conversation? Are you trying to compare Bouchard to Makar?

To add to that, McDavid gets most of the ice-time with Bouchard while Draisaitl gets a combination of Nurse, Stetcher, Kulak, Emberson etc. Those latter players are hardly comparable to Makar.

And when Draisaitl is away from McDavid, he gets borderline NHL players on his wings. In contrast, MacKinnon always gets good to elite players: Lehkonen, Rantanen, Necas, etc. So Draisaitl's time with McDavid, limited at 5x5, is more than offset by a severe downgrade in wingers when away from McDavid.

 

[Muffin]

When does the narrative start that Drais is dragging a bad team kicking and screaming into the playoffs because McDavid is having an off year? A few more losses from being next to the Flames and Canucks.

Never? They were the favorites going into the team.