Player Discussion Is it time to Waive Reaves...

[Fogelhund]

I think he's useless, and does very little, if anything to be a deterrent. He doesn't protect anyone, and he isn't a very good hockey player.

But I don't really blame him for last night. The Zadorov incident lead to a PP, that gave us a 1-0 lead. Then another quick PP and we are up 2-0. That isn't the time to put your team down a man, by doing something stupid. I like to see someone stick up for our guys too, but we also have to be smart.

Anyway... we probably need 2, maybe even three different guys in the bottom six, over who has been playing. We need more production.

 

[SprDaVE]

Sure, hit someone, but at 4-0 there was really no need to initiate. I assume he was talking to them, but their players are not dropping the gloves with him.

When Zadorov was kneeling on Pac, that’s the time to stop that nonsense.

It's not just about fighting. He needs to initiate some level of physicality and energy to get the other team to focus on him. It can't always be about defensive enforcing.

I think he's useless, and does very little, if anything to be a deterrent. He doesn't protect anyone, and he isn't a very good hockey player.

But I don't really blame him for last night. The Zadorov incident lead to a PP, that gave us a 1-0 lead. Then another quick PP and we are up 2-0. That isn't the time to put your team down a man, by doing something stupid. I like to see someone stick up for our guys too, but we also have to be smart.

Anyway... we probably need 2, maybe even three different guys in the bottom six, over who has been playing. We need more production.

So why even bother with Reaves or an enforcer? Isn't the point that he might take some retaliatory penalties but it's worth it since we're not getting pushed around? Sending messages and all that?

 

[Nineteen67]

I think he's useless, and does very little, if anything to be a deterrent. He doesn't protect anyone, and he isn't a very good hockey player.

But I don't really blame him for last night. The Zadorov incident lead to a PP, that gave us a 1-0 lead. Then another quick PP and we are up 2-0. That isn't the time to put your team down a man, by doing something stupid. I like to see someone stick up for our guys too, but we also have to be smart.

Anyway... we probably need 2, maybe even three different guys in the bottom six, over who has been playing. We need more production.

It was the most appropriate time to do something about it. They choose to do nothing when Suter was running around and they choose to do nothing again last night.

 

[fahad203]

I think he's useless, and does very little, if anything to be a deterrent. He doesn't protect anyone, and he isn't a very good hockey player.

But I don't really blame him for last night. The Zadorov incident lead to a PP, that gave us a 1-0 lead. Then another quick PP and we are up 2-0. That isn't the time to put your team down a man, by doing something stupid. I like to see someone stick up for our guys too, but we also have to be smart.

Anyway... we probably need 2, maybe even three different guys in the bottom six, over who has been playing. We need more production.

To me it's beyond the 2 points or the PP. That's what we have been saying for years now, it's all about the 2 points, the best revenge is beating them

Ok, then let's be that team then. Lets be the team that doesn't drop the gloves. We were up 4-0. That would been the perfect time to go after Zadorov and make a point to them, and more importantly to our team.

 

[Nineteen67]

It's not just about fighting. He needs to initiate some level of physicality and energy to get the other team to focus on him. It can't always be about defensive enforcing.



So why even bother with Reaves or an enforcer? Isn't the point that he might take some retaliatory penalties but it's worth it since we're not getting pushed around? Sending messages and all that?

Absolutely, I’d love to see him running hitting guys, but he’s not catching McAvoy, or hardly anyone at this point.
If he’s not hitting and making an impact with physical play, then he has to do the only other thing he can do.
He’s not doing that either so his cap hit is his most valuable asset to the Leafs.

 

[Menzinger]

I don't see a point to him in the lineup anymore other than being a positive voice on the bench and in the room. At this point it's pretty obvious that guys aren't worried about fighting him if they cross a line, he only scraps with other fighters and even then only IF they even agree to drop the gloves

And he's too slow to be an energy player at this point.

So were blaming the fourth line now? Reaves is the least of are worries right now.

I think we can be critical of the 4th line while also acknowledging they havent been the biggest problem.

 

[ACC1224]

I think he's useless, and does very little, if anything to be a deterrent. He doesn't protect anyone, and he isn't a very good hockey player.

But I don't really blame him for last night. The Zadorov incident lead to a PP, that gave us a 1-0 lead. Then another quick PP and we are up 2-0. That isn't the time to put your team down a man, by doing something stupid. I like to see someone stick up for our guys too, but we also have to be smart.

Anyway... we probably need 2, maybe even three different guys in the bottom six, over who has been playing. We need more production.

Sums it up for me.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

He's practically a non-factor when he plays and an argument can be made the team plays better without him in the lineup.
No one seems to be intimidated by him when he's on the ice and at this point, he's basically taking ice time away from more serviceable players that can contribute more positively to the team.
He's going to be 38 soon so it's not like he's going to get any better.

Even the Rangers put an end to the Rempe experiment.

My Dude, it's early...

 

[Nineteen67]

One thing that Berube does is play Reaves after the Leafs score. I know it’s because the top lines need a break, but it still scares me.

 

[Cams]

I think he's useless, and does very little, if anything to be a deterrent. He doesn't protect anyone, and he isn't a very good hockey player.

But I don't really blame him for last night. The Zadorov incident lead to a PP, that gave us a 1-0 lead. Then another quick PP and we are up 2-0. That isn't the time to put your team down a man, by doing something stupid. I like to see someone stick up for our guys too, but we also have to be smart.

Anyway... we probably need 2, maybe even three different guys in the bottom six, over who has been playing. We need more production.

And here's the catch: People complain Reaves didn't do anything (when he actually did go after Zadorov after the Pacioretty thing), and not jumping the guy. Leafs end up with a PP goal because of this play.

Alternate - Reaves gets at Zadorov, takes a penalty - people complain he did so resulting in not having a PP

Pre-determined lose - lose situation????

 

[SprDaVE]

And here's the catch: People complain Reaves didn't do anything (when he actually did go after Zadorov after the Pacioretty thing), and not jumping the guy. Leafs end up with a PP goal because of this play.

Alternate - Reaves gets at Zadorov, takes a penalty - people complain he did so resulting in not having a PP

Pre-determined lose - lose situation????

He didn't do anything for 30 minutes after. He didn't do anything for 60 minutes actually. The entire game. Not doing anything in the moment is just a small note of a bigger issue. There's a win-win situation here.

When Tanev hit Pasta from behind and Marchand jumped him... They still got a PP. But even if you stay cool and composed, you still have a ton of time left to do something but he didn't. So what's the point?

This team will need to trade/waive players soon.

 

[Menzinger]

And here's the catch: People complain Reaves didn't do anything (when he actually did go after Zadorov after the Pacioretty thing), and not jumping the guy. Leafs end up with a PP goal because of this play.

Alternate - Reaves gets at Zadorov, takes a penalty - people complain he did so resulting in not having a PP

Pre-determined lose - lose situation????

This is the entire problem with the idea of him being a deterrent. If the other side isn't interested in fighting him, he doesn't really have a lot of options other than harming the team further.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Punch him in the face anyway.

Who cares if you take a penalty. And who cares if they score. When you punch someone in the face the score is of secondary considerarion to setting the tone.

You can afford to lose one game if it sets the tone for the year and helps you win the cup.

 

[Pebble live]

Punch him in the face anyway.

Who cares if you take a penalty. And who cares if they score. When you punch someone in the face the score is of secondary considerarion to setting the tone.

You can afford to lose one game if it sets the tone for the year and helps you win the cup.

The way the early part of the season is going, no they can't afford to lose games right now.

There's a time a place for these things. After back to back L's they needed a win last night. Reaves was right to understand that.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

He could’ve at least challenged Zadorov later in the game. Zadorov is usually down for a scrap and it would’ve been an answer to his harassment of Pacioretty.

Reaves is performing like an average to below average fourth liner. That’s not enough when we’ve got Dewar and Jarnkrok in the wings. He has to be a pugilist as well as play decently to really have an impact. He hasn’t even blown up anyone yet this season with a big hit.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Last night was a classic case where he could have made a point and gone after Zadorov
The game was out of hands, we had 4-0 lead

At that point you had to make a point. See Arbur Whateverhislastname is from Montreal. He waited until the end of the game to go after Aciari

LIke somone said, we are better off with Clifford at this point. Clif gets his role

I think he might have considered the risk of giving up a PP and the team losing the shutout. I just theorize.

He has been noticeably less interested in fighting. I don't he should be fighting every game but he must have had an opportunity to someone in their place this year. If players feel he isn't interesting in managing the ice, Leaf players may find themselves in the crosshairs.

If that happens, Clifford would indeed have a role. I just don't see that yet because Reaves is the better player.

 

[mapleleaf979]

Zadorov banging pacioretty's head on the ice, deserved to be called out to fight. Zadorov probably knew that no Leaf would call him out for that. Reaves would not have gotten insitgator if they agreed to fight, which should happen when a player does something dirty. Even if the Bruins did go on the PP and scored, that matters less than Reaves fighting Zadorov. Reaves appears to be a total phony.

 

[mikeyz]

Yeah, last night sealed it for me. I want him gone. Especially after that Zadorov Pacioretty incident when Zadorov was face washing and pushing his head into the ice and Reaves was just standing there as if someone just asked him what the square root of 129384528102936 is.

 

[tmlfan98]

Reaves season has gone the opposite of how I thought it was going to go so far in terms of how he's being perceived.

I thought Berube would turn on him before the fanbase did, but it seems like the opposite is happening.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Do you know those Sloan Lyrics:

"It's the band I hate, it's their fans..."

So I voted against waiving him. It's not Reaves himself, but his detractors...

 

[DarkKnight]

Punch him in the face anyway.

Who cares if you take a penalty. And who cares if they score. When you punch someone in the face the score is of secondary considerarion to setting the tone.

You can afford to lose one game if it sets the tone for the year and helps you win the cup.

lol, you’d be the first guy to criticize anyone for doing that and costing us a game.