Player Discussion Is it time to Waive Reaves...

[Fogelhund]

I think he's useless, and does very little, if anything to be a deterrent. He doesn't protect anyone, and he isn't a very good hockey player.

But I don't really blame him for last night. The Zadorov incident lead to a PP, that gave us a 1-0 lead. Then another quick PP and we are up 2-0. That isn't the time to put your team down a man, by doing something stupid. I like to see someone stick up for our guys too, but we also have to be smart.

Anyway... we probably need 2, maybe even three different guys in the bottom six, over who has been playing. We need more production.

 

[SprDaVE]

Sure, hit someone, but at 4-0 there was really no need to initiate. I assume he was talking to them, but their players are not dropping the gloves with him.

When Zadorov was kneeling on Pac, that’s the time to stop that nonsense.

It's not just about fighting. He needs to initiate some level of physicality and energy to get the other team to focus on him. It can't always be about defensive enforcing.

I think he's useless, and does very little, if anything to be a deterrent. He doesn't protect anyone, and he isn't a very good hockey player.

But I don't really blame him for last night. The Zadorov incident lead to a PP, that gave us a 1-0 lead. Then another quick PP and we are up 2-0. That isn't the time to put your team down a man, by doing something stupid. I like to see someone stick up for our guys too, but we also have to be smart.

Anyway... we probably need 2, maybe even three different guys in the bottom six, over who has been playing. We need more production.

So why even bother with Reaves or an enforcer? Isn't the point that he might take some retaliatory penalties but it's worth it since we're not getting pushed around? Sending messages and all that?

 

[Nineteen67]

I think he's useless, and does very little, if anything to be a deterrent. He doesn't protect anyone, and he isn't a very good hockey player.

But I don't really blame him for last night. The Zadorov incident lead to a PP, that gave us a 1-0 lead. Then another quick PP and we are up 2-0. That isn't the time to put your team down a man, by doing something stupid. I like to see someone stick up for our guys too, but we also have to be smart.

Anyway... we probably need 2, maybe even three different guys in the bottom six, over who has been playing. We need more production.

It was the most appropriate time to do something about it. They choose to do nothing when Suter was running around and they choose to do nothing again last night.

 

[fahad203]

I think he's useless, and does very little, if anything to be a deterrent. He doesn't protect anyone, and he isn't a very good hockey player.

But I don't really blame him for last night. The Zadorov incident lead to a PP, that gave us a 1-0 lead. Then another quick PP and we are up 2-0. That isn't the time to put your team down a man, by doing something stupid. I like to see someone stick up for our guys too, but we also have to be smart.

Anyway... we probably need 2, maybe even three different guys in the bottom six, over who has been playing. We need more production.

To me it's beyond the 2 points or the PP. That's what we have been saying for years now, it's all about the 2 points, the best revenge is beating them

Ok, then let's be that team then. Lets be the team that doesn't drop the gloves. We were up 4-0. That would been the perfect time to go after Zadorov and make a point to them, and more importantly to our team.

 

[Nineteen67]

It's not just about fighting. He needs to initiate some level of physicality and energy to get the other team to focus on him. It can't always be about defensive enforcing.



So why even bother with Reaves or an enforcer? Isn't the point that he might take some retaliatory penalties but it's worth it since we're not getting pushed around? Sending messages and all that?

Absolutely, I’d love to see him running hitting guys, but he’s not catching McAvoy, or hardly anyone at this point.
If he’s not hitting and making an impact with physical play, then he has to do the only other thing he can do.
He’s not doing that either so his cap hit is his most valuable asset to the Leafs.

 

[Menzinger]

I don't see a point to him in the lineup anymore other than being a positive voice on the bench and in the room. At this point it's pretty obvious that guys aren't worried about fighting him if they cross a line, he only scraps with other fighters and even then only IF they even agree to drop the gloves

And he's too slow to be an energy player at this point.

So were blaming the fourth line now? Reaves is the least of are worries right now.

I think we can be critical of the 4th line while also acknowledging they havent been the biggest problem.

 

[ACC1224]

I think he's useless, and does very little, if anything to be a deterrent. He doesn't protect anyone, and he isn't a very good hockey player.

But I don't really blame him for last night. The Zadorov incident lead to a PP, that gave us a 1-0 lead. Then another quick PP and we are up 2-0. That isn't the time to put your team down a man, by doing something stupid. I like to see someone stick up for our guys too, but we also have to be smart.

Anyway... we probably need 2, maybe even three different guys in the bottom six, over who has been playing. We need more production.

Sums it up for me.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

He's practically a non-factor when he plays and an argument can be made the team plays better without him in the lineup.
No one seems to be intimidated by him when he's on the ice and at this point, he's basically taking ice time away from more serviceable players that can contribute more positively to the team.
He's going to be 38 soon so it's not like he's going to get any better.

Even the Rangers put an end to the Rempe experiment.

My Dude, it's early...

 

[Nineteen67]

One thing that Berube does is play Reaves after the Leafs score. I know it’s because the top lines need a break, but it still scares me.

 

[Cams]

I think he's useless, and does very little, if anything to be a deterrent. He doesn't protect anyone, and he isn't a very good hockey player.

But I don't really blame him for last night. The Zadorov incident lead to a PP, that gave us a 1-0 lead. Then another quick PP and we are up 2-0. That isn't the time to put your team down a man, by doing something stupid. I like to see someone stick up for our guys too, but we also have to be smart.

Anyway... we probably need 2, maybe even three different guys in the bottom six, over who has been playing. We need more production.

And here's the catch: People complain Reaves didn't do anything (when he actually did go after Zadorov after the Pacioretty thing), and not jumping the guy. Leafs end up with a PP goal because of this play.

Alternate - Reaves gets at Zadorov, takes a penalty - people complain he did so resulting in not having a PP

Pre-determined lose - lose situation????

 

[SprDaVE]

And here's the catch: People complain Reaves didn't do anything (when he actually did go after Zadorov after the Pacioretty thing), and not jumping the guy. Leafs end up with a PP goal because of this play.

Alternate - Reaves gets at Zadorov, takes a penalty - people complain he did so resulting in not having a PP

Pre-determined lose - lose situation????

He didn't do anything for 30 minutes after. He didn't do anything for 60 minutes actually. The entire game. Not doing anything in the moment is just a small note of a bigger issue. There's a win-win situation here.

When Tanev hit Pasta from behind and Marchand jumped him... They still got a PP. But even if you stay cool and composed, you still have a ton of time left to do something but he didn't. So what's the point?

This team will need to trade/waive players soon.

 

[Menzinger]

And here's the catch: People complain Reaves didn't do anything (when he actually did go after Zadorov after the Pacioretty thing), and not jumping the guy. Leafs end up with a PP goal because of this play.

Alternate - Reaves gets at Zadorov, takes a penalty - people complain he did so resulting in not having a PP

Pre-determined lose - lose situation????

This is the entire problem with the idea of him being a deterrent. If the other side isn't interested in fighting him, he doesn't really have a lot of options other than harming the team further.