is it time to eat crow about Dwight King?

[Whiskeypete]

i've seen enough and its time to move on and put someone else in the line up that will bring something. King is there for puck possession and to be a big body, both of which he doing poorly. for a guy that should be living on a dump and chase style, he only plays the dump. he can't finish the 'chase' portion, because even 2nd-3rd pairing Dmen will beat him to the puck.

i would rather see Nolan playing on his off wing in place of King. at least we know that Nolan will play the body and pound guys along the boards. at least there would be something positive coming from that player in the line up.

King is RFA this summer and if Dean is smart he doesn't even tender him an offer and let him walk.

 

[Peter James Bond]

i've seen enough and its time to move on and put someone else in the line up that will bring something. King is there for puck possession and to be a big body, both of which he doing poorly. for a guy that should be living on a dump and chase style, he only plays the dump. he can't finish the 'chase' portion, because even 2nd-3rd pairing Dmen will beat him to the puck.

i would rather see Nolan playing on his off wing in place of King. at least we know that Nolan will play the body and pound guys along the boards. at least there would be something positive coming from that player in the line up.

King is RFA this summer and if Dean is smart he doesn't even tender him an offer and let him walk.

This is all true and spot on!
1 goal and 1 assist in 11 playoff games. Going back to late December, he has
5 goals and 9 assists in his last 52 games. That is horrible. it's time to let him go.
Put in Nolan tonight. Toffoli can move up the 3rd line LW and Nolan to 4th line RW.

 

[damacles1156]

Nolan was benched for not doing his job......Playing the body.....

You guys have short term memory loss.

 

[damacles1156]

i've seen enough and its time to move on and put someone else in the line up that will bring something. King is there for puck possession and to be a big body, both of which he doing poorly. for a guy that should be living on a dump and chase style, he only plays the dump. he can't finish the 'chase' portion, because even 2nd-3rd pairing Dmen will beat him to the puck.

i would rather see Nolan playing on his off wing in place of King. at least we know that Nolan will play the body and pound guys along the boards. at least there would be something positive coming from that player in the line up.

King is RFA this summer and if Dean is smart he doesn't even tender him an offer and let him walk.

Should have done that with guys that don't produce AT ALL.

Clifford/Lewis....

I'll leave this here from the other thread.

Clifford+Lewis over the last two years (this is combined folks)

47 points , 21 goals 240 NHL games. 2 + million cap hit's(combined cap hit).

Dwight King"

124 NHL games, 20 goals 40 points, Below 800k Capt hit.

King is not a problem (yet)

Nolan loss games down the stretch to Clifford of all people.....Who has done nothing...

 

[Whiskeypete]

Should have done that with guys that don't produce AT ALL.

Clifford/Lewis....

I'll leave this here from the other thread.

Clifford+Lewis over the last two years (this is combined folks)

47 points , 21 goals 240 NHL games. 2 + million cap hit's(combined cap hit).

Dwight King"

124 NHL games, 20 goals 40 points, Below 800k Capt hit.

King is not a problem (yet)

Nolan loss games down the stretch to Clifford of all people.....Who has done nothing...

i saw that earlier D. i am with you concerning Lewis and also recall your rants on his re-signing. i wasn't crazy about the re-signing but i am ok with it, because he can fill multiple roles as a utility player. Clifford simply has never returned to that peak period of two years ago. his skating has improved greatly, but he isn't the same physical presence he was (and i'm not even talking about the fighting part).

i am also fine with moving away from Clifford, but it has to either be 13 or 74. LA doesn't have the depth at LW to let both get away. it can't be both and i think at least Clifford brings something out on the ice. King is just a huge soft floating cream puff out there. he doesn't score, he doesn't control possession, he doesn't hit, he doesn't post low/screen the keeper - what does he do?

nothing!

if Nolan was and is scratched for not hitting, then why is King playing. he is doing far less and there are 1000s of fans seeing/saying the same thing.

without digging into his stats my guess is a big portion of those numbers came from skating up top with 11, 10 and 77 as Sutter was tinkering with lines earlier this season. in his role as a #3LW he has added little to no scoring and when it comes to just controlling his lane/wall and puck possession, he flat out sucks.

 

[damacles1156]

i saw that earlier D. i am with you concerning Lewis and also recall your rants on his re-signing. i wasn't crazy about the re-signing but i am ok with it, because he can fill multiple roles as a utility player. Clifford simply has never returned to that peak period of two years ago. his skating has improved greatly, but he isn't the same physical presence he was (and i'm not even talking about the fighting part).

i am also fine with moving away from Clifford, but it has to either be 13 or 74. LA doesn't have the depth at LW to let both get away. it can't be both and i think at least Clifford brings something out on the ice. King is just a huge soft floating cream puff out there. he doesn't score, he doesn't control possession, he doesn't hit, he doesn't post low/screen the keeper - what does he do?

nothing!

if Nolan was and is scratched for not hitting, then why is King playing. he is doing far less and there are 1000s of fans seeing/saying the same thing.

without digging into his stats my guess is a big portion of those numbers came from skating up top with 11, 10 and 77 as Sutter was tinkering with lines earlier this season. in his role as a #3LW he has added little to no scoring and when it comes to just controlling his lane/wall and puck possession, he flat out sucks.

The Truth is the whole bottom six needs a rebuild Top to Bottom...

That includes LEWIS, I am sorry man if you going to criticize King for supposedly doing nothing.

You simply can't over look Lewis's COMPLETE LACK OF ANYTHING offense related.

I mean Kevin Westgarth in 36 games this year scored 4 Goals....Lewis's career high is SIX...

So Lewis is ok cause why ? Cause he tries ? EVERYONE TRIES.

Decent in his own zone ? SO WHAT.....That's expected of ALL KINGS players.

Everyone keeps saying "O well King only scored that much cause of top six time....SO WHAT, He scored them.

What did Clifford and Lewis do with their top six time ? NOTHING.

If King potted 20 goals bouncing all over the lineup, would anyone really care how that happened ?

People want Nolan in there ? WHY ? Cause he might hit someone ?

The guy can't beat out Clifford right now for a roster spot....

If Sutter wanted a change. King/Richards/Nolan fourth line....

If Lombardi would just put aside loyalty,

/Stoll/Clifford/Lewis would be gone.

I think Nolan/King are worth keeping, they will also be cheap.

We keep blaming King for lack of offense grit whatever, when the Kings keep trotting out Clifford/Lewis who have provided ZERO on offense their WHOLE CAREER's.

Then we wonder why the Bottom six is devoid of skill and scoring.....

 

[KingKopitar11*]

Our bottom 6 historically has been trash. Dean doesn't believe in a talented bottom 6. We need dem grinders to be grinding something. Seriously what are they grinding.. They can't even get a forecheck in lol.

 

[damacles1156]

Look how bad that is: for Clifford/Lewis

240 NHL games....21 goals.....That is almost a statistical anomaly it's so bad.

Blind Luck should have them at least 50 combined. For as bad as King is , he managed to suck his way into 20 goals in 124 NHL games....

These are just regular season numbers too. If I include playoff's it gets worse....

If Dwight King is indeed that bad....What does that say about Clifford and Lewis ?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

This talk about bottom six forwards makes me miss Belanger and Laperriere, would be nice to have a young Belanger and Laperriere on this team now. A two-way center who can make plays and win faceoffs and a rightwing/center who can get under the opposition's skin and also chip in.

 

[damacles1156]

This talk about bottom six forwards makes me miss Belanger and Laperriere, would be nice to have a young Belanger and Laperriere on this team now. A two-way center who can make plays and win faceoffs and a rightwing/center who can get under the opposition's skin and also chip in.

Stoll/Clifford/Lewis need to go. Those guys combined are costing the Kings close to Six Million in cap space.

While providing zero at one end of the rink.

Nolan/King can still be kept for cheap, they still have only really played one and half season's worth of hockey.

The Kings know what Lewis/Clifford/Stoll are going to bring, zero production from the bottom lines.

I defended Lewis/Clifford when they broke into the league, wanted to give them time to see what they turned out to be.

Well that time is gone, we know what they are. King/Nolan are not even going to cost more than two million.

They both still have upside, give them another season see how they do. And for god's sake Sutter, pair them together, they have chemistry playing as a pair.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I thought Clifford has been solid during the playoffs. He is the toughest player on the ice against both teams and has thrown some big hits, helped on the forecheck, been in the middle of all the scrums and fought. He is due for a big goal.

Nolan did the same thing during the Cup year. He was physical every game and when it counted against St. Louis he had a big goal and a fight.

 

[Trolfoli]

I wouldn't worry about the Kings bot 6. They just aren't going to score. Their job is to cycle in the offensive zone and get a low % shot on net for an offensive zone face off for one of the better lines. I spent a long time wondering why Nolan and whoever he's with don't practice a timing play where Nolan uses his body to come off the wall and have the other skater go behind the net (using it for a pick on the defender) to the back door, for a pass. Would be much more effective then trying to cram the puck between the post and a goalie that knows Nolan will never try the pass.

Fraser in one of the articles on Mayor's Manor said something to the effect of if you get too creative (as the fourth line center) you get benched. This was maybe back around Jan/Dec.

The Goal for the bot 6 is to play a grinding game, burn time, not give up out numbered attacks. Creative passing leads to outnumbered attacks.

Does this suck in that scoring from the bot 6 could help the team... yup. There was a goal by Fraser against NJ in the finals where I think Nolan got to the boards kicked the puck out front to Fraser who then got a goal. Now on that play Nolan would get the puck and send it behind the net because the other forward would be behind the net to support the cycle and would not stop in front of the net for a shot. Don't want to start the puck going the other way.

Remember when other teams thought the Kings cycle was dangerous and it would pull guys out of position leaving the defenders on the point open and the defense was coming 10 feet down from the blueline and getting great shots? Back when Voynov used to be one of the fastest skaters on the ice. Now the teams realized the Kings cycle doesn't lead to good scoring chances and they just sit back and don't get out of position and wait for the Kings to **** up.

On King
-Sutter is pretty vocal when not happy with how someone is playing.

-Sutter is not afraid to bench people when he's not happy with their game. Penner? Richards? Toffoli? Pearson?

I haven't heard Sutter say anything bad about King... maybe I missed something... This leads me to believe that Sutter is happy with King and his game. If you go out of your way to make a hit you can be out of position. This ties into what TG was saying about a bump and run system a while ago. The Kings need to be hitting harder as a group and getting other teams off their games.

I mean really just look at Lewis. He just isn't going to score and you can see it in his shot. He can grind in the corner and chase down pucks, get breakaways (everyone is excited then their like **** that's Lewis) Sutter put him on the first line earlier this year.

Guess the point is swapping guys out (King/Lewis/Clifford) won't do any good because the new guys brought in will be forced to play the system or be benched. Probably just better to get used to Sutter hockey.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Kings bottom 6 has to score. That was part of our failure against Chicago last year. During the Cup run Fraser, Richardson, Nolan, King, Stoll, and Lewis all had HUGE goals at some point during those 4 rounds.

Look at the Ducks bottom 6. Guys like Maroon had 11 goals in the regular season. Winnik had 30 points. Beleskey had 9 goals. Etem had 7.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Can King be replaced by Andreoff next season?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Can King be replaced by Andreoff next season?

I think given his style of play, Andreoff could replace Clifford and/or Nolan.

 

[Fat Elvis]

I think given his style of play, Andreoff could replace Clifford and/or Nolan.

Ya, I guess we'd hope that Clifford had improved to the point where LA could move King. But, it hasn't happened. You hate to let King walk, just for him to finally "get it" and become that strong power forward he's capable of becoming.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Andreoff plays center as well. He is also more skilled than Clifford and Nolan if you have seen any Manchester highlights. He could rotate between 4th line Center and 3rd line LW.

Dwight King's problem is that he is a big kitty cat. If he was mean like his brother DJ was he could be the second coming of Wayne Simmonds. But he is soft. If I was that size I would be bullying over guys every game. He throws the body, but rarely engages in anything more than that unless forced.

 

[Captain Mittens*]

Dwight is hot or cold. Right now he is ICE cold.

But Dwight is the Kings all time leading goal scorer in the conference finals for a reason!

 

[Bandit]

Remember way back when Voynov's game went into the ******* during his first full NHL season? Yeah, it's kinda like that, but at least King had ONE good stretch during his first full year. Some of you need to learn some patience.

You can't teach size, and King is a perfect fit for our bottom six. What say we give him his second full year before we ship him to Uzbekestan?

 

[Reaper45]

That he's cold doesn't bother me. That he's a giant teddy bear does.

 

[Oh Snap]

As long as he's kept on the 4th line, i'm okay with it.

Gaborik - Kopitar - Brown
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
UFA/Trade - Vey - Williams
King - Stoll - UFA/Trade

Ex: Lewis

UFA/Trade/Rookie - Doughty
Voynov - UFA/Trade
Martinez - Regehr

Ex: Muzzin

Quick
Jones


Richards should be a good trade chip to help fill a hole on defense. Vey is ready for the big league.

 

[KBA4life]

He's had zero impact in just about every game these playoffs. Let him walk

 

[sinister6000]

If Wayne Simmonds was still with the kings he might not be getting power play time. He sure wouldn't be playing on the number 1 power play. When he was here he played the 3rd line, and the pk. So i think it might be time to give Dwight King power play time, park him in front of the net like Tomas Holmstrom. King had 15 goals, none on the power play, so he has good hands. He won't make the power play any worse than it already is.

 

[HYORI 1963]

That he's cold doesn't bother me. That he's a giant teddy bear does.

Pretty much. He needs to be more like his older brother. But I really don't see him going anywhere. He does have size which both DL and DS love, and for whatever reason, DS loves playing this guy. Our only hope is DL sees a need for a more physical forward and makes the move.

 

[KBA4life]

If Wayne Simmonds was still with the kings he might not be getting power play time. He sure wouldn't be playing on the number 1 power play. When he was here he played the 3rd line, and the pk. So i think it might be time to give Dwight King power play time, park him in front of the net like Tomas Holmstrom. King had 15 goals, none on the power play, so he has good hands. He won't make the power play any worse than it already is.

I don't want to bash the guy too too much, but King had more than a few goals this year that were deflections and/or pucks that just bounced off of his big ass into the net. A goal is a goal, I get it, but a number of his goals were pretty damn flukey.