Is it time for Lou to get his walking papers

[sbresistor]

I don't believe we are getting the pick back, but it wouldn't be an entire shock if we do

If there is anything you can be sure of with the NHL - they make **** up as they go. Look at the arbitrary imposition of this penalty itself as evidence.

 

[GhostofKenKlee]

I don't believe we are getting the pick back, but it wouldn't be an entire shock if we do

If there is anything you can be sure of with the NHL - they make **** up as they go. Look at the arbitrary imposition of this penalty itself as evidence.

exactly this.

it's a private entity that makes up rules as it goes along. it's a league where certain franchises and owners get special treatment and coddled.

 

[NJDevs26]

And I think people who believe we're getting the pick back/penalty reduced are dreaming. What's the point, exactly of waiting till the last minute to fight one part of the decision?

If anything, it wouldn't shock me if we gave up our ability to challenge the decision in exchange for not getting cap penaltied/being able to choose the year we gave up the first-rounder. Or if it simply wasn't allowed per the CBA to challenge a ruling in court in the first place.

 

[sbresistor]

And I think people who believe we're getting the pick back/penalty reduced are dreaming. What's the point, exactly of waiting till the last minute to fight one part of the decision?

If anything, it wouldn't shock me if we gave up our ability to challenge the decision in exchange for not getting cap penaltied/being able to choose the year we gave up the first-rounder. Or if it simply wasn't allowed per the CBA to challenge a ruling in court in the first place.

same reason a guy on death row for years (which he can't get back) fights to stay his execution

you must admit, the NHL does have the authority to give us the pick back if Bettman so chooses

 

[NJDevs26]

same reason a guy on death row for years (which he can't get back) fights to stay his execution

you must admit, the NHL does have the authority to give us the pick back if Bettman so chooses

But he appeals right after the verdict and keeps on appealing. He literally can't appeal once he's on the table though. That's basically what you guys think is going to happen.

And there's NO shot the NHL ever gives us the pick back, the entire league wanted our head on a pike and accused Bettman of being too soft by not cap penaltying us and letting us choose the year we gave up our first-rounder. Bettman's not going to annoy 29 jealous owners to pacify Lou, who was marginalized as it was during the last CBA negotiations. The point one percent chance we ever get the pick back is if Lou appeals to some higher court and wins there...but I doubt that's even an option.

 

[Bleedred]

Uh I don't think we're getting the pick back. I'm very confident we won't. We might get another teams first round pick if we can package Jagr (Might be a conditional that is a 2nd if terms aren't met) at the deadline. I think our pick is toast. The only question now is how high is the pick gonna be that we have to forfeit?

 

[Loyal Lou]

Yeah there is no shot the Devils get the pick back. Gary wants to make an example to the league and if there is anyway he can put some of the lockout blame on someone else he will. I only say that because the stupid big long deals were part of the reason why there was a lockout. So if Gary can take some heat off himself he'll do it and go "See! Blame them!" as he points at Lou.

 

[NC107*]

Just consider it gone that's the decision. If we trade in the end then maybe we get something in he 1st or 2nd round. Lets see if we can get into the playoffs.

 

[Uli Hiemer]

This thread needs a lift.

 

[glenwo2]

It's a waste of time, Fayne.

Lou isn't getting fired.

But I would think his seat will start getting a bit warm this offseason and all next season, though.


*IMO, bump this thread when offseason begins*

 

[NC107*]

This thread needs to stay and tonight is great example of why both LOU and PETE should be removed. Marty lost this game he shouldn't have played nor should Janssen.

 

[Chessarmy]

Yeah, Cam Janssen was the reason we lost the game last night.

 

[Desert Devil]

He certainly didn't help. I love CamJan but he should be nowhere near this roster, he stinks.

 

[Lateralous]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out this year. The draft pick fiasco kind of makes this a lost season, with us trying to patch things together enough to avoid the embarrassment of giving up something in the top 10. With that in mind this could go a couple of ways:

I think we would like to see Schneider eventually supplant Brodeur as the #1. Gelinas and Larsson continue to progress toward being top pairing defensemen. Merrill sticks around and shows us something. If these guys get playing time and the team stays in the playoff hunt, then I think you have to feel pretty good about the goaltending and defense for at least the next 5 years. We'll have plenty of money freeing up as Zidlicky, Brodeur, Salvador and other vets come off the books in the next few years to address the front. While I would still have some serious questions about Lou continuing on as our GM, I wouldn't necessarily want to run him off in this situation.

or

What I fear the most, Pete continues to alienate Schneider with his baffling decisions to the point that he wants to wait until free agency to sign a long term contract. We start to see the same musical chair line up decisions on defense with the young guys once Salvador and Volchenkov get healthy. The team continues to struggle and we lose a high pick. At that point, we absolutely need to clean house and just start over.

 

[apice3*]

This team isn't Lou's fault, especially when many of us agreed with every move he made this year.

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

This team isn't Lou's fault, especially when many of us agreed with every move he made this year.

The majority completely hated the Clowe deal, Brunner was a low risk/high reward signing, the Ryder and Jagr deals are both short term so they can be flipped at the deadline or the offseason.

Let's be honest here, we signed a bunch of "band-aids" and Lou was basically crossing his fingers that the **** he threw on the wall would stick.

 

[apice3*]

The majority completely hated the Clowe deal, Brunner was a low risk/high reward signing, the Ryder and Jagr deals are both short term so they can be flipped at the deadline or the offseason.

Let's be honest here, we signed a bunch of "band-aids" and Lou was basically crossing his fingers that the **** he threw on the wall would stick.

Please tell me what you would have done differently. I want specific examples.

I don't care about Clowe right now. He's hurt. It costs our billionaire turd owner real dollars and doesn't hurt our cap at the moment. In terms of ability, I'll wait for him to actually play.

Brunner and Ryder have sucked, but I defended both moves at the time so I'm not going to go back and blame Lou in hindsight. Jagr has been awesome.

DeBoer shoulder's a lot of blame right now. When I can rant about specific personnel mistakes being made as their being made, only to see those exact personnel mistakes directly costing us games, there's something wrong. Brodeur should not have been in net last night, Harrold shouldn't be on the ice when we have 6 other healthy D-men, Gionta shouldn't play over Josefson, Janssen shouldn't play over Tedenby. It's common sense moves and he's screwing them all up.

 

[Lateralous]

Please tell me what you would have done differently. I want specific examples.

I don't care about Clowe right now. He's hurt. It costs our billionaire turd owner real dollars and doesn't hurt our cap at the moment. In terms of ability, I'll wait for him to actually play.

Brunner and Ryder have sucked, but I defended both moves at the time so I'm not going to go back and blame Lou in hindsight. Jagr has been awesome.

DeBoer shoulder's a lot of blame right now. When I can rant about specific personnel mistakes being made as their being made, only to see those exact personnel mistakes directly costing us games, there's something wrong. Brodeur should not have been in net last night, Harrold shouldn't be on the ice when we have 6 other healthy D-men, Gionta shouldn't play over Josefson, Janssen shouldn't play over Tedenby. It's common sense moves and he's screwing them all up.

Other than the Clowe deal, Lou did as well as could be expected this past offseason. The current state of the team is more an accumulation of years of patching holes and a lack of drafting and development. Also, the summer of 2012 was particular brutal on Lou's part.

Short term, yes DeBoer is the bigger problem but I think there are some serious long term question about allowing Lou to be the one that rebuilds/retools this team. We are starting to look like Calgary in the 3 years they were in denial before they actually committed to starting over. Hopefully we don't allow this the crumble with only short term fixes to the point where a full rebuild is the only option.

 

[glenwo2]

I don't understand this.


Doesn't anyone here comprehend that Lou isn't going anywhere no matter how much we rant and rave?


The only ones who can "remove" Lou are the New Owners. But I emphasize the word "NEW" because they're not going to do that when they just arrived and bought the team.

But I'm thinking they might just open up the proverbial wallet a bit more, give Lou a lot more money to use, and tell him to fix the team this offseason. THEN you can say that Lou will be on the proverbial "warm" seat(not Hot seat....yet).

 

[apice3*]

The people calling for Lou's head better be careful what they wish for. Same people that wanted Vanderbeek out got their wish and now we had a dead arena filled at 70% capacity with no atmosphere. I'm amazed at how many people blame Lou for everything. When you have a playoff team practically every year for 20 years, it's difficult to restock the pipeline with draft picks in the mid/high 20s.

 

[Wingman77]

The people calling for Lou's head better be careful what they wish for. Same people that wanted Vanderbeek out got their wish and now we had a dead arena filled at 70% capacity with no atmosphere. I'm amazed at how many people blame Lou for everything. When you have a playoff team practically every year for 20 years, it's difficult to restock the pipeline with draft picks in the mid/high 20s.

I've said this before - just about everybody was happy with what Lou did this summer which means they were on the same page as him, yet now a fair number of those same people want him fired

So since Lou should to be fired according to them, they should be banned from here in turn because they are just as dumb as they claim Lou to be if they were on the same page as his transactions

 

[glenwo2]

I've said this before - just about everybody was happy with what Lou did this summer which means they were on the same page as him, yet now a fair number of those same people want him fired

So since Lou should to be fired according to them, they should be banned from here in turn because they are just as dumb as they claim Lou to be if they were on the same page as his transactions

EXCELLENT point.

Many of us are guilty of this.

But that's why it's called Hindsight-being-20/20 and all that.

We didn't really know how things would turn out but we were HOPEFUL.

Unfortunately, things haven't turned out how we liked so many of us that were calling for Lou's head forget to point at ourselves first for agreeing with Lou's decisions.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[The Wumpus]

I honestly don't care what position we are come deadline time. We should move Jagr, Zidlicky, Ryder at the least. This team needs to restock or we've got a decade of Calgary Flames-esque mediocrity coming down the pike. We have a lot of old forwards, and only two players in the pipeline with reasonable top-9 potential. It's a looming crisis. Draft picks are like lottery tickets. No guarantees, but you never know what you're going to hit. Stock 'em up and use 'em.

 

[Oneiro]

The main reason to fire Lou has nothing to do with personnel and everything to do with what the players do on the ice. The personnel issues are glaring because of style, not competence.

It took us years to even allow our defensemen to pinch in. Meanwhile, other teams are winning playoff series because they could actually generate offense from the point. Consequently, we still suit up dinosaurs who can't make quick plays.

Now we finally decide to do that. And our current problem seems to be that our forwards seem to think cycling the puck, wishing and hoping for the perfect play down the slot, will result in a winning strategy. Go figure that our leading scorer is the one guy who refuses to dump it in out of reflex.

The good things about the Devils - loyalty, tough board play, two-way intelligence - they don't have to be sacrificed in order to modernize the hockey club. But now, even the players we develop lack those skills and I don't think it's talent. It's the way they are learning the game.

On a normal team, a guy like Gelinas doesn't have the massive impact he has had - because the team is already playing that way.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

Other than the Clowe deal, Lou did as well as could be expected this past offseason. The current state of the team is more an accumulation of years of patching holes and a lack of drafting and development. Also, the summer of 2012 was particular brutal on Lou's part.

Short term, yes DeBoer is the bigger problem but I think there are some serious long term question about allowing Lou to be the one that rebuilds/retools this team. We are starting to look like Calgary in the 3 years they were in denial before they actually committed to starting over. Hopefully we don't allow this the crumble with only short term fixes to the point where a full rebuild is the only option.

That's my problem with Lou, when is he going to come to the conclusion that we need a rebuild and stop the philosophy that the Devils never rebuild. I'm not saying we want to be the Oilers, but you can't keep adding these bad aids that don't seem to stop the bleeding. And we all know Marty decides when he plays or not, that's to much power for a player to have and Lou should tell Marty and the coach that Cory is the future and our number one.