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The reason Lou signed a handfull of players is not only because we lost Kovalchuk but granted, it was a BIG reason why, but I think Lou went bananas july 1st because he didn't want to look like a complete idiot for keeping the 29th overall pick, in fear of having to forfeit a top #5 pick this year. To me, all those signings are inter connected.
Every move Lou makes will get approved at a alarming rate around here. I remember when we picked up D'Agostini, everyone had him in their top #6 for whatever reason. If we get a new player on our roster, he's automaticly penciled in as a solid acquistion that will help turn this team around.
With a aging franchise, a core that is basically past their prime, it's time to face reality head on and acknowledge the fact that this team can't keep up with the competition if we're going to buy our way to the playoffs threw free agency.
Lou doesn't know what the word rebuild means and I can respect that if we had a solid foundation to build around but that just isn't the case anymore. We don't have anyone who's in their prime who we can say "he's the face of our franchise and let's build our team around player x, y, z"... so why act like we're a player away from contending with the Bruins, the Pens, the Wings, etc.
pdb will go before lou does. is that right? maybe maybe not.
lou has been a mess for awhile now. everyone is pointing out jagr and what a stud he's been. yeah sure hes been great but lets wait to see what he has left in the tank at the half way point or hell even after the olympics!
clowe has been a bust. no way do you give that guy that type of contract with his injury history.
ryder has been a bust
brunner now you can see why 29 other teams passed on him and the wings let him walk.
the bumbling of the urbom situation
trading for cory when marty has no intention of retiring after this year and now reading cory's comments i dont know if he will be back after next year.
the keeping of the 29th pick 2 years ago was his biggest mistake on this list by far. dont even give me the "hindsight is 20/20" it was a stupid move to make at the time.
trading 4 draft picks in 2 years for poni.
all these problems in just 2 years time! i didn't even mention the parise or kovy problems! or julien suter robinson or mac
major problem the devils have is that lou likes to keep "his" people around. your telling me that t-bone is the most qualified applicant to be goalie coach? or stevens to just be handed an coaching job? without going online and looking the team is spotted here and there with former players that lou keeps around.
BRING IN SOME FRESH BLOOD LOU!!!!! there are 29 other teams out there that produced players that he can hire from.
please fire conte also. i'm sorry but draft wise this team has been horrible! after holding down a job for 20+ years you grow complacent i dont care who you are.
lou has been a mess for awhile now. everyone is pointing out jagr and what a stud he's been. yeah sure hes been great but lets wait to see what he has left in the tank at the half way point or hell even after the olympics!
clowe has been a bust. no way do you give that guy that type of contract with his injury history.
ryder has been a bust
brunner now you can see why 29 other teams passed on him and the wings let him walk.
the bumbling of the urbom situation
trading for cory when marty has no intention of retiring after this year and now reading cory's comments i dont know if he will be back after next year.
the keeping of the 29th pick 2 years ago was his biggest mistake on this list by far. dont even give me the "hindsight is 20/20" it was a stupid move to make at the time.
trading 4 draft picks in 2 years for poni.
all these problems in just 2 years time! i didn't even mention the parise or kovy problems! or julien suter robinson or mac
major problem the devils have is that lou likes to keep "his" people around. your telling me that t-bone is the most qualified applicant to be goalie coach? or stevens to just be handed an coaching job? without going online and looking the team is spotted here and there with former players that lou keeps around.
BRING IN SOME FRESH BLOOD LOU!!!!! there are 29 other teams out there that produced players that he can hire from.
please fire conte also. i'm sorry but draft wise this team has been horrible! after holding down a job for 20+ years you grow complacent i dont care who you are.
nieds
gomez
rafalski
parise
kovy
julien
robinson
suter
all that talent left this team ran away from this team (minus julien). each and everyone on that list minus suter and julien is a legit piece to the success of this team and they couldn't get out of here fast enough. what does that tell you?
gomez
rafalski
parise
kovy
julien
robinson
suter
all that talent left this team ran away from this team (minus julien). each and everyone on that list minus suter and julien is a legit piece to the success of this team and they couldn't get out of here fast enough. what does that tell you?
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NJ CUP, New Owners will not fire Lou the same year they bought the team.
Now it's only the "observing" phase for them. Once the offseason arrives, I'm sure they'll provide Lou with plenty of dough and tell him : FIX THIS TEAM.
And then we can say that Lou is on the "warm" seat.....The New Owners could care less how many players that were full of talent LEFT under Lou's watch before their tenure.
Now it's only the "observing" phase for them. Once the offseason arrives, I'm sure they'll provide Lou with plenty of dough and tell him : FIX THIS TEAM.
And then we can say that Lou is on the "warm" seat.....The New Owners could care less how many players that were full of talent LEFT under Lou's watch before their tenure.
well if they really do care about this team staying in nj and making it profitable they should care what players left under lou's watch.
all i keep reading in the pages above this is the problem with attendance dead crowds etc. losing parise and kovalchuk def put a hampering on that. if cory walks in a year is that going to be the final nail for lou?
i'm sorry but the new owners really should be questioning the mind behind a guy that gives salvador that insane deal. or clow that even more crazy deal.
slowly but surely lou is returning this team to the level of success they had when he came to the team.
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#1 priority of any owner should be making the playoffs. not only for the fans but because thats where they make their money.
going on 3 misses in 4 years should also raise some flags. can only fire so many coaches before you look at the guy who is hiring them
going on 3 misses in 4 years should also raise some flags. can only fire so many coaches before you look at the guy who is hiring them
I kind of agree with our new poster here.
At what point does our Gm become accountable for the brain dead decisions he's been making in the past decade? The league is getting younger and younger and we, on the other hand, are getting older and older.
There's no valid reason on this planet that can convince me or anyone else who has half a brain, that the Ryan Clowe signing was a solid move... none, zero, nada. The Salvador deal was almost as bad and he basically got rewarded for his playoff run without taking into consideration that he never put up those #'s in his previous 10 years of experience at the NHL level and that we'd be "blocking" one of our several rookies who needed the playing time.
Losing key talent is not entirely on Lou's shoulders but his way of doing business is. He's stuck in the dinosaur age when talking contract negotiations and the list of the players we lost for free is alarming. If he would talk contract during the season, he'd realise what the player/agent is demanding and if it isn't something he's willing to match, you try and maximise the asset you're about to lose in about 8 months. I rather take a step backwards and two forward instead of crossing my fingers that we'll get a favorable matchups threw the playoffs, in hopes that we'll be the last team standing.
There's just one team that will lift the cup and if our Gm is always thinking about the present, when the present is going nowhere, we need to find someone who's in touch with reality and manage this team in the right direction instead of patching a team that's filled with holes left and right.
I do have to give him credit for the youngsters he's been drafting on our blueline but he's late to the party by several years. Teams figured out that big mobile blueliners who can move the puck is a must in today's game and we continued signing and drafting slow, defensive minded grenade handlers.
If it wasn't for his track record, Lou would've been fired several years ago but he get's a free pass for being Lou. I bow down to what he's done for his organisation over the past decades but to me, the game has passed him by and he isn't the proper candidate to revive this franchise with the players we currently have.
At what point does our Gm become accountable for the brain dead decisions he's been making in the past decade? The league is getting younger and younger and we, on the other hand, are getting older and older.
There's no valid reason on this planet that can convince me or anyone else who has half a brain, that the Ryan Clowe signing was a solid move... none, zero, nada. The Salvador deal was almost as bad and he basically got rewarded for his playoff run without taking into consideration that he never put up those #'s in his previous 10 years of experience at the NHL level and that we'd be "blocking" one of our several rookies who needed the playing time.
Losing key talent is not entirely on Lou's shoulders but his way of doing business is. He's stuck in the dinosaur age when talking contract negotiations and the list of the players we lost for free is alarming. If he would talk contract during the season, he'd realise what the player/agent is demanding and if it isn't something he's willing to match, you try and maximise the asset you're about to lose in about 8 months. I rather take a step backwards and two forward instead of crossing my fingers that we'll get a favorable matchups threw the playoffs, in hopes that we'll be the last team standing.
There's just one team that will lift the cup and if our Gm is always thinking about the present, when the present is going nowhere, we need to find someone who's in touch with reality and manage this team in the right direction instead of patching a team that's filled with holes left and right.
I do have to give him credit for the youngsters he's been drafting on our blueline but he's late to the party by several years. Teams figured out that big mobile blueliners who can move the puck is a must in today's game and we continued signing and drafting slow, defensive minded grenade handlers.
If it wasn't for his track record, Lou would've been fired several years ago but he get's a free pass for being Lou. I bow down to what he's done for his organisation over the past decades but to me, the game has passed him by and he isn't the proper candidate to revive this franchise with the players we currently have.
lets face it lou will never be "fired". he will "retire" and it will save everyone face.
the contract talks mid season you mention is 1000000% spot on. you should never allow any of your key players to even entertain the idea of UFA. they should locked up and taken care of long before that even comes up. a similar situation will come up with cory. this team will have that cloud hanging over its head all of next year also. esp when he will hand marty a 2 year deal so he can hit 700 wins!
have to clean house from the top down.
as many gems as conte has found he has to go.
stevens he has to go either send him to albany or send him packing. neither will happen since stevens is a legend around here and thus you create another problem. when do you tell your legend time to go?
the contract talks mid season you mention is 1000000% spot on. you should never allow any of your key players to even entertain the idea of UFA. they should locked up and taken care of long before that even comes up. a similar situation will come up with cory. this team will have that cloud hanging over its head all of next year also. esp when he will hand marty a 2 year deal so he can hit 700 wins!
have to clean house from the top down.
as many gems as conte has found he has to go.
stevens he has to go either send him to albany or send him packing. neither will happen since stevens is a legend around here and thus you create another problem. when do you tell your legend time to go?
To answer your last sentence... When you have to take hard decisions for the good of the overall team heading forward and when you start growing a pair.
Lou isn't the same "cut throat" Gm he once was and has turned soft. You can "reward" someone without making you look like a complete moron. Lou told several players to walk because he didn't want to match the "ludicrous" offers other Gm's were throwing at his pending UFA's but on the flip side, he's throwing insane contracts at pending UFA's no one would match and he's basically screwing himself twice as hard by handing out NMC's like their running out of style.
Talk about irony
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Lets Go Baby
whoever zajac is. sorry but i dont drink the kool-aid. let me guess.......lou is the greatest gm there ever was and ever will be?
I don't know who he is but he is making a couple of valid points. It's a breath of fresh air (for me), compared to all the ass kissers we have around here who keep on saying that Lou can't do no wrong, despite the piss poor track we've had over the past decade.
I think its unfair to fire a GM after 20 years of success because the team hasn't been performing 2 out of the last 3, with a Stanley Cup Finals appearance sandwiched in between.
I'm not saying he's been perfect, far from it in fact (I wish he'd ****ing re-sign players DURING the regular season!!), but I think its unfair to throw him under the bus because the team hasn't made the playoffs every single year. Every organization goes through this, teams dip for a while then get better, just because its happening to New Jersey now doesn't mean its time to ditch Lou, especially since the team wouldn't have its track record of winning without him.
I'm not a fan of a lot of his moves at times, and keeping the 29th pick was lunacy and obviously a strange case of over-confidence from Lou, but I don't think its a fireable offense. After a while, I truly believe a GM builds a reputation and Lamoriello's is second to none. He took a garbage team and made it into a borderline dynasty in 95 to 03. Five Stanley Cup finals appearances, playoffs basically every season, it seems extremely unfair to throw that all away because of mediocre results right now. I understand this is a "what have you done for me lately?" game, but Lamoriello has proven to know exactly what it takes to win, and after two decades, its kind of wrong to tell him to **** off when he's earned the right to be given a chance to turn the ship around, after everything he's done for this organization.
I'm not saying he's been perfect, far from it in fact (I wish he'd ****ing re-sign players DURING the regular season!!), but I think its unfair to throw him under the bus because the team hasn't made the playoffs every single year. Every organization goes through this, teams dip for a while then get better, just because its happening to New Jersey now doesn't mean its time to ditch Lou, especially since the team wouldn't have its track record of winning without him.
I'm not a fan of a lot of his moves at times, and keeping the 29th pick was lunacy and obviously a strange case of over-confidence from Lou, but I don't think its a fireable offense. After a while, I truly believe a GM builds a reputation and Lamoriello's is second to none. He took a garbage team and made it into a borderline dynasty in 95 to 03. Five Stanley Cup finals appearances, playoffs basically every season, it seems extremely unfair to throw that all away because of mediocre results right now. I understand this is a "what have you done for me lately?" game, but Lamoriello has proven to know exactly what it takes to win, and after two decades, its kind of wrong to tell him to **** off when he's earned the right to be given a chance to turn the ship around, after everything he's done for this organization.
LOL i'm labeled as not a devils fan because
i dont think marty should be getting the starts he does
i dont buy into lou's kool-aid
i'm tired of boring 2-1 hockey games
listen im always going to be greatful for the stuff lou has done for this team. like in all BUSINESS it is what have you done for me lately.
lets keep in mind this isn't a recent rumbling about wanting him gone. go back to the lost year.
the fiasco of nieds leaving and who was brought in
then firing of julien
then sutter
then mac
the constant signing of ahl 6th line caliber players.
cory murphy and that guy they brought in from finland who they drafted in 01 i forget his name.
people will say "those are depth signings" who cares he will only play 10mins a night. then why even make the move? why not sign the important players before worrying about bringing in barch.
your last point of lou knowing what it takes to win clearly doesn't apply to the "new nhl" our team is incredibly old when there is a youth movement. on top of that the team is spending good money on these old guys!
also making the playoffs and getting bounced in the 1st round isn't my idea of "success".
half the nhl makes the playoffs
even with our horrible start we are only 3 points out of a playoff spot and only 10 back from top in the division.
that goes to show you how you should classify making the playoffs a success in the nhl
half the nhl makes the playoffs
even with our horrible start we are only 3 points out of a playoff spot and only 10 back from top in the division.
that goes to show you how you should classify making the playoffs a success in the nhl
NJCUP you do realize Sutter went home right? He wanted to go home to Alberta...not sure what you would have liked Lou to do differently on that one?
Firing Julien...unless you know what really happened, than you really can't comment. BTW, you do not like 2-1 games, they played a strict defensive system under Claude anyway.
Johnny Mac was a disaster, but I am not sure he had any choice. Here was a guy who paid his dues all over the place in the minors, as an assistant, and deserved a shot at an NHL job. It is what it is. The only criticism that it took too long to fire him. But that team wasn't very good.
I'm not sure what you mean by the constant signing of 6th line NHL players. Carter, Bernier...and even little Gio have all panned out in some respect. You need fourth line players too you know. These moves are all low-risk moves, so why so annoyed at it?
Ryane Clowe was a risk, a calculated one, it didn't prevent us from doing anything else. Besides, that move is 25 games old, give it some time. The cap is going up, you can go over the cap by 10% in the offseason if Clowe turns into a LTIR/Pronger cap exception.
Niedermayer leaving, again, it was what it was. Nothing Lou could've done. He offered him more money if you can remember. He wanted to play with Rob, Rob was happy out there, and that's it.
Imagine if Lou hadn't signed Brunner, Ryder this year? You'd be seeing a lot more of Sestito, Mike Sislo, Bernier and Carter getting more minutes.
Lou can do wrong, but what do you expect? He's a gm of an NHL team, you take calculated risks every single day - some pay off, some don't. I'd say given the GMs who have been around a long time, Poile hasn't been to the finals, Sather? Holland's done a great job, but it's more of the guy before him who built the glory years, and Lidstrom stayed where Niedermayer left.
Lou, again people don't give him enough credit for this, has had to deal with several ownerships, a lot of red ink, a lot of players leaving for reasons out of his control (going home mostly Nieder, Kovy, Zach), being good meaning draft picks in later rounds, the best coach hiring of the 2000s got cancer, one left because he was mentally sick of coaching, Julien had locker room issues, Sutter went home, MacLean was a neccesary evil, and Pete is still here.
Firing Julien...unless you know what really happened, than you really can't comment. BTW, you do not like 2-1 games, they played a strict defensive system under Claude anyway.
Johnny Mac was a disaster, but I am not sure he had any choice. Here was a guy who paid his dues all over the place in the minors, as an assistant, and deserved a shot at an NHL job. It is what it is. The only criticism that it took too long to fire him. But that team wasn't very good.
I'm not sure what you mean by the constant signing of 6th line NHL players. Carter, Bernier...and even little Gio have all panned out in some respect. You need fourth line players too you know. These moves are all low-risk moves, so why so annoyed at it?
Ryane Clowe was a risk, a calculated one, it didn't prevent us from doing anything else. Besides, that move is 25 games old, give it some time. The cap is going up, you can go over the cap by 10% in the offseason if Clowe turns into a LTIR/Pronger cap exception.
Niedermayer leaving, again, it was what it was. Nothing Lou could've done. He offered him more money if you can remember. He wanted to play with Rob, Rob was happy out there, and that's it.
Imagine if Lou hadn't signed Brunner, Ryder this year? You'd be seeing a lot more of Sestito, Mike Sislo, Bernier and Carter getting more minutes.
Lou can do wrong, but what do you expect? He's a gm of an NHL team, you take calculated risks every single day - some pay off, some don't. I'd say given the GMs who have been around a long time, Poile hasn't been to the finals, Sather? Holland's done a great job, but it's more of the guy before him who built the glory years, and Lidstrom stayed where Niedermayer left.
Lou, again people don't give him enough credit for this, has had to deal with several ownerships, a lot of red ink, a lot of players leaving for reasons out of his control (going home mostly Nieder, Kovy, Zach), being good meaning draft picks in later rounds, the best coach hiring of the 2000s got cancer, one left because he was mentally sick of coaching, Julien had locker room issues, Sutter went home, MacLean was a neccesary evil, and Pete is still here.
It's not Lou's either, but 1/30 wins the cup. What are you going to do? Should Poile be fired? McPhee in Washington? Maloney in PHX? What have those guys done?
There's not a single poster who will complain about the job he's done for this organisation from his first day on the job until the lockout of the 2004-05. In fact, the man deserves a ****ing statue for making us a powerhouse over the past 2 decades... BUT, since then, he's been mediocre.
Granted, we made the SCF a couple of years ago but I think it's fair to say that it was nothing else but a fluke when looking at the teams we had to face to get there. Is that Lou's problem, absolutely not, but I'm just sick and tired of the posters who think that cause we did reach the finals, we're in the same league as all the other teams who made it in the past handfull of seasons. We were a mistake, just like the Canes and the Oilers were a mistake when they faced off for the title years ago.
Lou's pilled up more negative then positive since 2004-05 and that can't be debated since the cold hard facts are right in front of our faces. We can choose to look the other way but the bottom line is that he ****ed up more times then not.
Like every good thing in life, there comes a time in life where the cycle of life (evolution) will cath up with you. Martin Brodeur is a living legend but he's on downside of his career, Wayne Gretzky had to go threw the same thing as well and it's no different with coaches, trainners and yes... Gm's. Lou Lamoriello is this 71 year old man, who's known to be a control freak and at some point, he has to take the blame for the situation we are in ATM.
Losing key players, franchise players, isn't and shouldn't be acceptable but it's becoming a trend Jersey. The lack of talent in our prospect pool is alarming and because Lou doesn't believe in "rebuilds", he's left with no other options but to sign misfits during july 1st in order to ice a "respectable" team cause we don't have anyone in our farm system who can step up and if we do have a couple of decent kids who might crack a spot on our roster, we have a coach who'll trust his veterans before even thinking about icing a rookie. Those veterans didn't fall from the sky, Lou went out and decided to sign a boat load of veterans in order to patch this team up and the results are pretty evident. If it wasn't for several injuries on our blueline, I don't even know if we would've even seen Gélinas with the big club and Adam Larsson would probably still be a healthy scratch in favour of Harrold, Salvador, Fayne or #28.
This team needs to get younger and we have a Gm who is unwilling to commit towards a rebuild. We can't have it both ways. If the core of this team was still in their prime, I'd be all-in, in regards to adding at the deadline for one last shot at the cup but that isn't the case at all.
With that said, I hope to god that if we're out of a playoff spot and even if we're a handfull of points from a playoff spot, that Lou will clean house and stabilise this organisation by restocking a pipeline that is bone dry in order to be even stronger in the next several years.
i love it when people in defense of lou come up with this reason.
or even better "who would you replace lou with"
to answer your question though i have no clue if they should be fired. i dont care if they get fired or stay. i'm not on hf boards washington or yotes. i'm on the hf boards for the devils talking about a team and gm i know and follow not some other teams.
should they fire them? yeah fire them if it makes the devils chances of being better?
I love how people think hiring/firing employees is black and white.
Go to any business in America, find your longest tenured employee, look him in the eye and fire him after 30 years of being one of the best in the world at his job. Get real.
Look at what this franchise was before Lou. Look at what it became. The man earned a lifetime contract. He'll retire before getting fired and rightfully so.
Go to any business in America, find your longest tenured employee, look him in the eye and fire him after 30 years of being one of the best in the world at his job. Get real.
Look at what this franchise was before Lou. Look at what it became. The man earned a lifetime contract. He'll retire before getting fired and rightfully so.
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wow your like my copy!
i've been saying the exact same thing about the cup run 2 years ago. favorable matchups got us there.
heck look at who we played.
it took us back to back overtimes to win in 7 against florida.
then we get the flyers who are coming off their "stanley cup" against their biggest rivals
then we get the rangers who played i believe 15 games of hockey just to get to the conference finals. 15 CLOSE playoff hockey games. thats a lot of hockey!
telling me matchup's didn't come into play? yeah right! put that squad up against sid or boston and they would've been ko'd in 6.
want further proof. how many of those teams that we beat are considered "good" how many made the playoffs last year? or this year will make them?
since the lost year we have made it past the 2nd round one time! 10 years and 1 trip past the 2nd round.
so its not even a what have you done for me lately statement with lou. its what have you done for me this past decade?
wow your like my copy!
i've been saying the exact same thing about the cup run 2 years ago. favorable matchups got us there.
heck look at who we played.
it took us back to back overtimes to win in 7 against florida.
then we get the flyers who are coming off their "stanley cup" against their biggest rivals
then we get the rangers who played i believe 15 games of hockey just to get to the conference finals. 15 CLOSE playoff hockey games. thats a lot of hockey!
telling me matchup's didn't come into play? yeah right! put that squad up against sid or boston and they would've been ko'd in 6.
want further proof. how many of those teams that we beat are considered "good" how many made the playoffs last year? or this year will make them?
since the lost year we have made it past the 2nd round one time! 10 years and 1 trip past the 2nd round.
so its not even a what have you done for me lately statement with lou. its what have you done for me this past decade?
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Ya Lou sucks lately but he isn't getting fired.
If we forfeit another lotto pick this year and Schneider walks for nothing, I will be livid.
If we forfeit another lotto pick this year and Schneider walks for nothing, I will be livid.
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