Post-Game Talk: Is it a cruel irony that PDO was created by an Oilers fan?

[Ibanez]

I keep wanting to have Skinner get an extended look in the top 6 but every time he gets the chance he looks so bad. It's like his give a shit meter is zero.

I’ve seen enough at this point. He’s had his chances. Unfortunately turned out to be a bad signing

I imagine once McDavid is back he’s in the press box until the trade deadline to force his hand into waiving his nmc

 

[OilerTyler]

Tell me you watched the same playoffs all other Oiler fans watched.

Tell me your not playing the devils advocate with this take ?

I'm willing to admit when Skinner is bad. He was bad in games 1-3 against Vancouver. He was bad last night. But to say he is the reason we lost the Stanley Cup is ridiculous.

The Skinner hate is reaching ridiculous levels. Not every bad thing that happens to this team is his fault. We have people in this thread calling him a "jackass" and a "piece of shit". It's getting embarrassing. It's just a game people.

 

[oXo Cube]

Skinner was good against LA, VERY good against Dallas, and acceptable against Florida. He's also the sole reason the Oilers didn't sweep Vancouver.

That's what you get with the guy. Peaks and valleys.

 

[CROTT]

Because it's all we know how to discuss.
Hell I don't even know what to say about the Oiler forwards?

Why don't they score more?
Why do they need 99.5% on the deserve o'meter to BARELY win a hockey game.
How do you consistently lose hockey games with 80% on it.

This is a fantastic hockey team that I'm scared to death is going to goalie'd like no f***ing team ever has in existence come playoff time.
They're terrible.. brutal.... AHL level shooters. It's like we're watching the old nintendo game and our team is all the skinny skilled guy. Has the puck all the time, generates tons of chances, lots of shots. But if you're not deeking the pants off the goalie it's not going in... muffins.

Seriously beyond Draisitl I can't think of a player on the team this year that is having a good year scoring wise. and not from a lack of chances. McDavid included.
I guess Kulak.

To keep it light I did see the nacho thing pop up in the media on Perry's goal. I had a chuckle. I guess that's our new strategy to get our muffins through. Nobody but Draisitl can score unless we distract I say next game we toss one of those bobby burgers, or perhaps we should research the opposing goalies favorite foods. Would be more effective scouting than what our players may be getting because wherever we're telling our players to shoot. They either can't shoot it there or are being told the wrong things haha.

This is a problem with this team, they have extremely streaky and inconsistent seccondary scoring. And the thing is that seconday scoring is everyone besides McDavid and Draisaitl. And one of those two seems to be allergic to shooting the puck. Over the last five games only McDavid and Draisaitl have scored more than one goal. Besides the little hot streaks by Hyman, RNH, and Henrique whiched helped since mid December, but outside of that it's been kind of sad.

Did a look back over ten games as five is a bit of a small sample size.

Last 10 games played by each player:
Draisiatl - 7 Goals
McDavid - 5 Goals
RNH - 4 Goals (Hot streak near the end of the 10 games)
Podkolzin - 3 Goals (Hoping Podz can continue to chip in some goals)
Henrique - 3 Goals (3 goals were from a 3 game stretch)
Arvidsson - 2 Goals
Hyman - 2 Goals (Was red hot returning from injury, cold of late)
Perry - 2 Goals
J. Skinner - 1 Goal
Bouchard - 1 Goal (Hopefully Bouchard finds some of his game, be a disaster this year)
Nurse - 1 Goal
Ekholm - 0 Goals
C. Brown - 0 Goals
Kapanen - 0 Goals
Janmark - 0 Goals

Pro-rated per 82 games:
5 goals = 57
5 goals = 49
5 goals = 41
4 goals = 33
3 goals = 25
2 goals = 16
1 goals = 8

 

[9GWG9]

I will not be getting a California Closet ever!

 

[tardigrade81]

He would have to I think. Though, Stu is still the guy, so I won't be surprised if Knoblauch goes back to him.

I give Skinner a pass for goals one and three but goal two. You have to make that save. Difference between losing and getting at least a point out of the game and likely a win.

 

[9GWG9]

Heh the skinner hate is hilarious. you guys should watch some other goalies for a bit lmfao


The one where he was screened?

Yes the one where he failed to track the puck.

 

[McFlash97]

I'm willing to admit when Skinner is bad. He was bad in games 1-3 against Vancouver. He was bad last night. But to say he is the reason we lost the Stanley Cup is ridiculous.

The Skinner hate is reaching ridiculous levels. Not every bad thing that happens to this team is his fault. We have people in this thread calling him a "jackass" and a "piece of shit". It's getting embarrassing. It's just a game people.

Most of us are merely using logic and looking at his body of work. Not good enough. Barely league average. Unacceptable. Lack of improvement, the weak link.

He is our biggest weak link. Unfortunately that's the truth. Replace him with a Varlamov for example and we're levels better

 

[guymez]

Are you sure you're getting it?

I think all you're displaying to everyone is that its never Skinners fault and you dont really understand hockey that much.

You know what the goalies job is right?

To stop the puck.

No...I am displying that there actually is nuance and its not as black and white as you and a few others think.

 

[VeteranPresence]

No...I am displying that there actually is nuance and its not as black and white as you and a few others think.

What "nuance" is there to discuss when Stu was firmly in the 40s last year among goalie microstats and is now in the 60s in most categories? You can argue that maybe he turns the corner in a couple of years and/or under another goalie coach, but he is not a starter-caliber goalie right now with no resurgence in sight and this should be obvious.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

No...I am displying that there actually is nuance and its not as black and white as you and a few others think.

It seems pretty black and white that an unscreened wrister from 60 feet should be saved with ease

 

[guymez]

Off ghe post rebound… you make it sound like ov walked in untouched from the slot and made an unbelievable shot off the post. When in reality it was a weak shot that went right through skinner. Also, breakaway is being very generous. Basically any real chance went through skinner tonight. Add on an absolutely brutal floater from the point and it was a horrible night for him.

Hyperbole.
On the goal in question the Caps player moved the puck laterally and put it through the five hole.
Not exactly uncommon.

It seems pretty black and white that an unscreened wrister from 60 feet should be saved with ease

Its black and white to someone looking through the lens that you're using.
I have no doubt about that.

I am not saying that Skinner played a flawless game...he obviously didnt.
I am just pointing out that there is some nuance here that is completely absent from your (and a few other posters) argument.

Here is another example...posters on here are convicned that Thompson played a great game. I saw a goalie that couldnt handle almost every shot that came at him. He leaked rebounds the entire game and the fact that the Oilers couldnt take advantage of that is the game story IMO.

If they do mange to capitalize on a few of those rebound chances and score more than 2 goals they likely win that game.

 

[Yuke]

I wanted Skinner to succeed so bad I now see that it cannot happen. I believe he is the slowest player on the team. He slows the momentum once he starts to carry the puck.
I don't think it even matters if he accepts a trade, nobody will want him unless he is accompanied with a pick.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Both those goals were weak. He didn't identify Verhage in a dangerous position on the first goal and cheated for the cross ice pass on the second goal.

Now both were weak. Good Lord. Even when he plays well he gets comments like "He didn't make this save in the exact way I wanted it."

1 goal or less in 3 of the 4 losses.

 

[K1984]

I think the Skinner social panic is overblown, especially in the context of his recent play, but the second goal is inexcusable.

That kind of goal is/was the cancer on his game that has largely not reared its head over the past few months. Over the last week or so he's slipped back into the realm of "he wasn't outwardly terrible, but would be nice if that GA didn't go in." Time to get back on track.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Hyperbole.
On the goal in question the Caps player moved the puck laterally and put it through the five hole.
Not exactly uncommon.


Its black and white to someone looking through the lens that you're using.
I have no doubt about that.

I am not saying that Skinner played a flawless game...he obviously didnt.
I am just pointing out that there is some nuance here that is completely absent from your (and a few other posters) argument.

Here is another example...posters on here are convicned that Thompson played a great game. I saw a goalie that couldnt handle almost every shot that came at him. He leaked rebounds the entire game and the fact that the Oilers couldnt take advantage of that is the game story IMO.

If they do mange to capitalize on a few of those rebound chances and score more than 2 goals they likely win that game.

Thompson wasn’t good, skinner was miles worse still.

3 goals on 14 shots, I don’t know how much nuance you can add to that to make it look like it wasn’t a terrible game.

The hoops you jump through to defend a goalie when he lets in a wrist shot from the point with no screen or deflection, did someone shine a laser in his eye causing him to not see the puck?

 

[guymez]

I think the Skinner social panic is overblown, especially in the context of his recent play, but the second goal is inexcusable.

That kind of goal is/was the cancer on his game that has largely not reared its head over the past few months. Over the last week or so he's slipped back into the realm of "he wasn't outwardly terrible, but would be nice if that GA didn't go in." Time to get back on track.

The team isnt trading Skinner and he was the goalie that got them to game 7 of the SCF. In that game he wasnt the reason they lost. So he can be good enough IMO.

On the point shot...I have watched that 6 or 7 times now and Bouchards passiveness with the Caps player in front played a major role on that goal.
Skinner IMO made a mistake as well. He guessed high to try and located the puck. He tried to look over Bouchard (who wasnt doing his job) and the Caps player at exactly the wrong time. If he had of tried to look down low to try and locate the puck I he would have had a better chance at that puck.

Still its not just on him. Bouchard was junk on that play. He was junk the whole game actually.
He was a liability at both ends of the ice.

 

[BertMcDrai]

I still don't get why we didn't claim Blackwood...
Hopefully there is a legit goalie out there to claim on the deadline...for me it's much more important than a second pairing D or a 3C/4C or whatever.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

The team isnt trading Skinner and he was the goalie that got them to game 7 of the SCF. In that game he wasnt the reason they lost. So he can be good enough IMO.

On the point shot...I have watched that 6 or 7 times now and Bouchards passiveness with the Caps player in front played a major role on that goal.
Skinner IMO made a mistake as well. He guessed high to try and located the puck. He tried to look over Bouchard (who wasnt doing his job) and the Caps player at exactly the wrong time. If he had of tried to look down low to try and locate the puck I he would have had a better chance at that puck.

Still its not just on him. Bouchard was junk on that play. He was junk the whole game actually.
He was a liability at both ends of the ice.

Look over the player? Bouchard had the player so he wasn’t in the eyes of the goalie.

 

[CROTT]

The team isnt trading Skinner and he was the goalie that got them to game 7 of the SCF. In that game he wasnt the reason they lost. So he can be good enough IMO.

On the point shot...I have watched that 6 or 7 times now and Bouchards passiveness with the Caps player in front played a major role on that goal.
Skinner IMO made a mistake as well. He guessed high to try and located the puck. He tried to look over Bouchard (who wasnt doing his job) and the Caps player at exactly the wrong time. If he had of tried to look down low to try and locate the puck I he would have had a better chance at that puck.

Still its not just on him. Bouchard was junk on that play. He was junk the whole game actually.
He was a liability at both ends of the ice.

The Oilers have the sixth lowest goals against in the NHL with Skinner getting the bulk of the starts and not getting to play almost strictly bottom ten teams like Pickard does. And after every loss its the same old song and dance, even some times after a win that the Oilers need a better goalie...

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I give Skinner a pass for goals one and three but goal two. You have to make that save. Difference between losing and getting at least a point out of the game and likely a win.

I'm not disagreeing, just sharing my thoughts from the coaches' perspective, they like Pickard, but they don't trust him completely

 

[Drivesaitl]

It’s crazy to me that the expectations for an offence with McDavid and Draisaitl can be so low that people think the game was essentially over when we went down one goal just after the halfway mark. We’d already erased a one goal deficit earlier in the game. We’re not asking for the impossible here.

Personal insults won’t change the fact that our stars (you know, the guys that are paid big money to win us games) absolutely no showed while Skinner gave us a chance.

This is nonsense. McD and Drai are what keeps this team afloat year in year out. Any statistic and watching games will tell you that.

Expectations of McD and Drai are low? lol this is what you're actually saying?

Almost the whole board can agree that the expectations of Skinner are low to non existent. We lose the SC game 7 and series because Skinner lets in a winning goal that any legit starter should have as a routine stop. Skinner was also the sole reason we lost game 3.

 

[LeonDraisaitl29]

 

[BertMcDrai]

The Oilers have the sixth lowest goals against in the NHL with Skinner getting the bulk of the starts and not getting to play almost strictly bottom ten teams like Pickard does. And after every loss its the same old song and dance, even some times after a win that the Oilers need a better goalie...

I am not a Skinner hater, I see it as it is...he is as mediocre as possible with outliers in every direction...but is he a cup winning goalie?
He is 30th in save% and 25th in GAA...I don't think it's good enough to win it all but the Avs had shown that you can win with mediocre goal tending but it's not likely.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Most of us are merely using logic and looking at his body of work. Not good enough. Barely league average. Unacceptable. Lack of improvement, the weak link.

He is our biggest weak link. Unfortunately that's the truth. Replace him with a Varlamov for example and we're levels better

Skinner is 18W 15L backstopping on a team that is a juggernaut. Considering the backup is 11-4 and has been better these are awful numbers for Skinner, and they deserve to be cited as we spend much of last season with the media and telecasts here talking about "Skinners record" and his W streak and all that. A year later even this last edifice is exposed. Skinner isn't often a reason a team W's but he's often enough the reason you lose games. Like last night.