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Is Czech Republic a top nation again?

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OskarOskarius said:
Russia sent their B team in 1998. Hockey in the 90s and early 00s were definetely dominated by Canada and Russia. Anyone saying the Czechs were ever number 1 in that time period because of Jagr and Hasek is delusional.
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Pls look at my post and tell me who was better from 1998 to 2001?
 
Czechboy said:
We are a bit behind this group unfortunately.
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Yes and no..

If you took those 6 countries and made them play a best of 7 against each other I'd say Czechia will lose far more than they win but they're good enough to make it to the knockout rounds and they're good enough to win a game against any of those countries.

In the IIHf style tournaments those are the only teams I'd say that could win with Czechia having a solid, but the lowest chance out of those 6.

In short, NHL style playoffs I don't think Czechia would do well at all, but IIHF/Olympic style I think Czechia could win
 
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I think Czechia has always been number 6 (at least in the last 20 years ish). But they were being challenged by Solvakia, Switzerland and Germany more than they were challenging the top 5. This year this seem to have changed!

But at the same time it could simply be a result of all weaker nations becoming better.
 
OskarOskarius said:
Russia sent their B team in 1998. Hockey in the 90s and early 00s were definetely dominated by Canada and Russia. Anyone saying the Czechs were ever number 1 in that time period because of Jagr and Hasek is delusional.
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Czechs won the 98 Olympics, 99-01' World Championships, and 00-01' WJCs. If that's not domination I don't know what is.
 
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OskarOskarius said:
They were missing half their forwards, D-men and nr 1 goalie but ok.
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Jesus. Russia always missed somebody in 90s. That is why they certainly didn’t dominate in 90s, either due to internal issues, bad relations among players, lack of team work etc. 98 was by far their best result. They had tons of world class players but no world class team.
 
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They have quality players for sure, but most of all, they really are inspired this year, seemingly more than the last few years.

I don't know if they are, but I hope they'll come back to what they were at some point in the near future, same for Slovakia.
 
And to the topic. No unfortunately. Development and latest proposals of czech hockey association for changes in junior system (again…) are still too much scetchy.
 
OskarOskarius said:
Russia sent their B team in 1998. Hockey in the 90s and early 00s were definetely dominated by Canada and Russia. Anyone saying the Czechs were ever number 1 in that time period because of Jagr and Hasek is delusional.
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"Delusional", you always seem to have the need to mock other nations or individuals in here. Please...
Haven't you written that the US and Sweden have been better than Finland these last 5 years? Which is complete b*llshit btw.

And what about Finland without NHL'ers beating Sweden with plenty of their best players these latest years. Like our Z team against your B team. You are always mentioning B and different letters as an excuse for everything.
Like Sweden in this years WJC would be the only ones missing star players etc...

Also, you are always stating something like it would be the gods truth without even once explaining or showing evidence for your black and white truth. Do you believe anyone will take you serious or respect your opinions further on? When the only thing you seem to deliver is downplaying others (Czech Republic in this case) without even arguing why others would be better and so on. It's toxic, pointless and tiring.
 
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Svedu said:
Please, just shut up already. Haven't you written that the US and Sweden have been better than Finland these last 5 years? Which is complete b*llshit btw.
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No idea but sounds about right.

Jablkon said:
Jesus. Russia always missed somebody in 90s. That is why they certainly didn’t dominate in 90s, either due to internal issues, bad relations among players, lack of team work etc. 98 was by far their best result. They had tons of world class players but no world class team.
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You would almost have a point. If the subject matter of the thread wasn’t ELITE NATION. And Czech republic was never nr1 hockey nation.
 
OskarOskarius said:
Nah, i just have linguistic skills above grade school.
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Interesting, because you seem to be the one who can't answer others when they show you historical facts proving you are wrong? Above that, you never seem to be able to show any facts or even argue against them to convince anyone you would be right besides the "fact" that "You are right because you just are". Laughable.
 
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The Czechs and Slovaks are back to respectful levels at both the juniors and seniors level and I'm glad they are

Sure would help if we had any type of legit international best-on-best tournament, though
 
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2 years of good WJCs don't get you into that level at the pro level. There are a lot more high end Finnish and Swedish NHLers compared to Czechia, but they are on their way.
 
OskarOskarius said:
They were missing half their forwards, D-men and nr 1 goalie but ok.
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Malakhov, Zubov and Kozlov were the notable exceptions who declined the invitation. And a 38 year-old Larionov I suppose. Would those guys have made the difference? Perhaps but that team was still stacked (Zhamnov, Yashin, Fedorov, Bure, Kamensky, Zhitnik, Mironov, Gonchar...).

Khabibulin also refused but would he have been any better than Shtalenkov and his 1.82 GAA? I doubt it.

Regardless, far from a B team. It was a best on best tournament and the Czechs came out on top. Period. And if the federation can't get its act together to want players to represent their country, can't really claim "well they sent their B team..."

The Czechs dominated international hockey, on many levels, for about 5-6 years. Not sure how you can dispute that.
 
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Nizami Ganjavi said:
Malakhov, Zubov and Kozlov were the notable exceptions who declined the invitation. And a 38 year-old Larionov I suppose. Would those guys have made the difference? Perhaps but that team was still stacked (Zhamnov, Yashin, Fedorov, Bure, Kamensky, Zhitnik, Mironov, Gonchar...).

Khabibulin also refused but would he have been any better than Shtalenkov and his 1.82 GAA? I doubt it.

Regardless, far from a B team. It was a best on best tournament and the Czechs came out on top. Period. And if the federation can't get its act together to want players to represent their country, can't really claim "well they sent their B team..."

The Czechs dominated international hockey, on many levels, for about 5-6 years. Not sure how you can dispute that.
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They missed about 12-15 players. So about half their team. We can count if you wish. But yes they sent their B team.
 
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