Interim Jets coach Dave Lowry (December 2021, not now)

[Zippity]

Will Maurice appear next year with True North?

 

[surixon]

Will Maurice appear next year with True North?

Let's hope not, we need a full blown reset.

 

[voyageur]

What's the Garrett Hohl quote... Teams will usually play players who are actually bad vs those players who actually might not be as bad?

In any case Forbort, Sbisa played alot 2nd pair. How much top pair Beaulieu (or Poolman) did we see? Gosh it hurts just to think about it. This doesn't scream injury insurance. Even if it was, this is the best you could do? Stanley and Heinola are moreso the injury insurance rather than these slugs as you call them. For instance, it took injuries for Stanley to get in the lineup last season, not the other way around.

Where would we be if we started with Samberg in the NHL rather than Dillon? We probably don't make the PO's in either case however, Samberg gets more nhl TOI (has he ever played more than 50 games in a year?), and we save on the cap +2 2nds. Can maybe make the same argument for Forbort last season.

How many of these vet slugs does one organization need? Do teams typically keep 3-4 of these guys on the roster? How hard is it to acquire these guys in-season either via trade or waivers, if really necessary.

I'm going to go on the record and say I liked Forbort as a Jet. His skating was below average, but he was a big reason why the Jets made improvements on the PK. All those Kings guys that Lowry coached, Forbort, Lewis, Thompson all had a positive impact on the defensive side. Having a veteran 4th line that didn't allow goals helped. Big difference from the younger team fielded this year.

I liked Sbisa, he was a textbook shotblocker, ideal for the PK. He played with heart, played with a broken leg, on a Jets roster that had one injured top pairing defenseman playing through the pain, a brand new second pairing d-man pacing the team, Kulikov, and not much else to get excited about, until the De Melo trade.

The Jets are pretty consistent in wanting a development year for their defense, so the depth they had last year didn't bother me. Stanley was a nice surprise for a guy who looked like a bust. But credit Maurice with playing him most of the year with De Melo, the vet, in his ascent, even when people were losing their minds over Morrissey having to carry d-partners. Turns out we could probably still use Pooman on the PK too.

I didn't like the Jets approach to filling holes this offseason. But it is logical. De Melo goes down, can Kovacevic carry the mail, with Beaulieu as the other RD? The Dillon acquisition was more difficult to understand, but early on he was good, and provided the necessary physicality needed. He's among the poles this year in +/- and Corsi. Samberg making the team should have come at Beaulieu's expense, with Stanley moving down the lineup, and it finally did, probably too late.

But there's something to be said about the recent failures of our young players to have impacts. Guys like Harkins, Vesalainen, Gustafsson have hardly had an impact, and those top 60 picks are guys who should, if the d&d is working. Are the Jets a better team with Samberg and Heinola in the lineup? If recent trends continue, it's that the young guys don't seem to be changing a thing...They might have a shorter leash for mistakes, which is counterintuitive to draft and develop, and maybe there's a culture or coaching issue that is festering.

 

[Jets 31]

Every time i read the title of this thread i cringe because i think we signed him to a deal.

 

[scarbrow21]

Every time i read the title of this thread i cringe because i think we signed him to a deal.

I agree...mods can we change it so the initial date that happened appears BEFORE the rest of the title?

 

[DRW204]

I'm going to go on the record and say I liked Forbort as a Jet. His skating was below average, but he was a big reason why the Jets made improvements on the PK. All those Kings guys that Lowry coached, Forbort, Lewis, Thompson all had a positive impact on the defensive side. Having a veteran 4th line that didn't allow goals helped. Big difference from the younger team fielded this year.

I liked Sbisa, he was a textbook shotblocker, ideal for the PK. He played with heart, played with a broken leg, on a Jets roster that had one injured top pairing defenseman playing through the pain, a brand new second pairing d-man pacing the team, Kulikov, and not much else to get excited about, until the De Melo trade.

The Jets are pretty consistent in wanting a development year for their defense, so the depth they had last year didn't bother me. Stanley was a nice surprise for a guy who looked like a bust. But credit Maurice with playing him most of the year with De Melo, the vet, in his ascent, even when people were losing their minds over Morrissey having to carry d-partners. Turns out we could probably still use Pooman on the PK too.

I didn't like the Jets approach to filling holes this offseason. But it is logical. De Melo goes down, can Kovacevic carry the mail, with Beaulieu as the other RD? The Dillon acquisition was more difficult to understand, but early on he was good, and provided the necessary physicality needed. He's among the poles this year in +/- and Corsi. Samberg making the team should have come at Beaulieu's expense, with Stanley moving down the lineup, and it finally did, probably too late.

But there's something to be said about the recent failures of our young players to have impacts. Guys like Harkins, Vesalainen, Gustafsson have hardly had an impact, and those top 60 picks are guys who should, if the d&d is working. Are the Jets a better team with Samberg and Heinola in the lineup? If recent trends continue, it's that the young guys don't seem to be changing a thing...They might have a shorter leash for mistakes, which is counterintuitive to draft and develop, and maybe there's a culture or coaching issue that is festering.

it's nice that you like them, but objectively they did not rate as good hockey players for us

i liked forbort for the first 4-5 weeks of the year but then he eventually became overmatched in a top-4 role and struggled immensely with speed and consistent puck moving.

sbisa if one of the most resounding qualities is he's a good shotblocker and he played with a broken leg, he's just basically mark stuart 2.0. he's waiver fodder that played key minutes next to pionk for us usually getting burried in our own end.

beaulieu, poolman; more of the same

my point is - these are the guys that were signed and played in key roles. is the coach pushing for these guys? is this the best the gm can do in supplying the coach with these sort of players ? . whatever the case is, our trades+signings have generally trended toward poor dmen over 11 years. id say that's more on the gm?

our whole defense is playing probably a line or 2 above their punching ground on the depth chart, and that shows imo in our team defensive stats over the last few years.

 

[voyageur]

it's nice that you like them, but objectively they did not rate as good hockey players for us

i liked forbort for the first 4-5 weeks of the year but then he eventually became overmatched in a top-4 role and struggled immensely with speed and consistent puck moving.

sbisa if one of the most resounding qualities is he's a good shotblocker and he played with a broken leg, he's just basically mark stuart 2.0. he's waiver fodder that played key minutes next to pionk for us usually getting burried in our own end.

beaulieu, poolman; more of the same

my point is - these are the guys that were signed and played in key roles. is the coach pushing for these guys? is this the best the gm can do in supplying the coach with these sort of players ? . whatever the case is, our trades+signings have generally trended toward poor dmen over 11 years. id say that's more on the gm?

our whole defense is playing probably a line or 2 above their punching ground on the depth chart, and that shows imo in our team defensive stats over the last few years.

I hate to remind you that we are in Winnipeg, a city that is literally crumbling in its infrastructure. I mean as a free agent you could choose to sign in New York, Toronto, or sunny Florida, California, Vegas, or cities where there is no scrutiny. Or you could "choose" to come to Winnipeg.

You can say objectively that a player is no good. But they are still in the league. Forbort got a nice contract from Boston, and he's going to the playoffs this year. Poolman got a nice contract from the Canucks. He was a draft and develop project who was supposed to replace Tyler Myers as a 3rd pairing d-man, until Buff retired.

Beaulieu actually signed here after being traded for. Sbisa had to be claimed off waivers. Before he re-signed and went on waivers. Kulikov was a decent signing. But I don't know what you're expecting. The Jets drafted skilled forwards with 1st round picks, after Morrissey. Then came Stanley, and since then there has been some decent picks, who are finally coming up the chart. Only way the Jets can build anything is draft and develop, so I say get rid of Schmidt, bring up Heinola, and carry on.

And don't ignore a player's value to special teams. Virtually any player can play the PP at the elite level, but not all can kill penalties. I still remember when certain posters here were saying that Niku should kill penalties pver the Sbisa, Beaulieu types, because he was important to our success. Reality is if the Jets were a top 10 PK team they are playoff bound.

 

[Guardian17]

Every time i read the title of this thread i cringe because i think we signed him to a deal.

I agree...mods can we change it so the initial date that happened appears BEFORE the rest of the title?

I changed the title for you.

 

[Al Camino]

Will Maurice appear next year with True North?

Maybe not next year but first chance that Chipper gets he’ll hire him. Book it.

 

[Jets 31]

I changed the title for you.

You didn't have to but thanks.

 

[snowkiddin]

You didn't have to but thanks.

You’re right, he/she/they didn’t have to. Now it’s gonna have to change back in a few weeks when we extend Lowry for three more seasons.

 

[Jets 31]

You’re right, he/she/they didn’t have to. Now it’s gonna have to change back in a few weeks when we extend Lowry for three more seasons.

 

[tbcwpg]

I agree...mods can we change it so the initial date that happened appears BEFORE the rest of the title?

Sure thing boss.

 

[Al Camino]

I hate to remind you that we are in Winnipeg, a city that is literally crumbling in its infrastructure. I mean as a free agent you could choose to sign in New York, Toronto, or sunny Florida, California, Vegas, or cities where there is no scrutiny. Or you could "choose" to come to Winnipeg.

You can say objectively that a player is no good. But they are still in the league. Forbort got a nice contract from Boston, and he's going to the playoffs this year. Poolman got a nice contract from the Canucks. He was a draft and develop project who was supposed to replace Tyler Myers as a 3rd pairing d-man, until Buff retired.

Beaulieu actually signed here after being traded for. Sbisa had to be claimed off waivers. Before he re-signed and went on waivers. Kulikov was a decent signing. But I don't know what you're expecting. The Jets drafted skilled forwards with 1st round picks, after Morrissey. Then came Stanley, and since then there has been some decent picks, who are finally coming up the chart. Only way the Jets can build anything is draft and develop, so I say get rid of Schmidt, bring up Heinola, and carry on.

And don't ignore a player's value to special teams. Virtually any player can play the PP at the elite level, but not all can kill penalties. I still remember when certain posters here were saying that Niku should kill penalties pver the Sbisa, Beaulieu types, because he was important to our success. Reality is if the Jets were a top 10 PK team they are playoff bound.

I would argue that the Jets either don’t properly develop or didn’t properly evaluate their prospects which lead them to trade for Schmidt and Dillon.

They also haven’t drafted anything of note other than Perfetti since 2016 with Laine.

As far as killing penalties goes it’s the easiest thing to do. In that it doesn’t require a bunch of hockey sense to do it. Just a bit of willingness.

Just my two cents.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

You’re right, he/she/they didn’t have to. Now it’s gonna have to change back in a few weeks when we extend Lowry for three more seasons.

Dibs on the next 3 years of tank threads!

 

[sipowicz]

Dave Lowry has proven to everyone that he is NO NHL level head coach!


could have told you that before they mistakenly put him in that position to fail!

 

[Heldig]

I think Dillon was exactly the type of Dman the Jets needed. Problem is Huddy happened.

 

[Ducky10]

And don't ignore a player's value to special teams. Virtually any player can play the PP at the elite level, but not all can kill penalties. I still remember when certain posters here were saying that Niku should kill penalties pver the Sbisa, Beaulieu types, because he was important to our success. Reality is if the Jets were a top 10 PK team they are playoff bound.

I get you value PK’ers and I agree they are integral to team success. I think you dismiss the number and types of players that could be successful doing it, and the Jets coaching over the past number of years seem to feel similar.

Looking at Beaulieu’s PK metrics over the past few seasons, it’s hard to put into words how unspeakably bad they were though. Like, he was a failure of epic proportions numbers wise when killing penalties.

 

[surixon]

I get you value PK’ers and I agree they are integral to team success. I think you dismiss the number and types of players that could be successful doing it, and the Jets coaching over the past number of years seem to feel similar.

Looking at Beaulieu’s PK metrics over the past few seasons, it’s hard to put into words how unspeakably bad they were though. Like, he was a failure of epic proportions numbers wise when killing penalties.

Yeah our coaches seem to not know what makes a good PK player. Speed, anticipation and skill makes good PK players. The good old pilons that coaches think make good PK players often are bad on it as blocking shots is one of the least important aspects of a PK.

 

[RabidOne]

I hope he never comes back in a head coach role. At every level of coaching, all the way from juniors, to IIHF to here at the NHL level, he's proven that his coaching is, to put it lightly, dogshit. His methods may have somewhat worked for the WHL, but at every level beyond that he's failed miserably. Fire him out of a cannon and move on.

Really not sure what your opinion is there.

 

[tbcwpg]

I think Dillon was exactly the type of Dman the Jets needed. Problem is Huddy happened.

I don't think it's Huddy in this case. Dillon is a slower guy and the M2M in the d-zone requires a bit more mobility than he's capable of. And I don't think this is a Huddy thing because the forwards are expected to play the same way.

 

[Heldig]

I don't think it's Huddy in this case. Dillon is a slower guy and the M2M in the d-zone requires a bit more mobility than he's capable of. And I don't think this is a Huddy thing because the forwards are expected to play the same way.

I know it is just one stat but =/- would suggest Dillon has not been as horrible as some on her suggest.

He is also the toughest D on the roster.

 

[tbcwpg]

I know it is just one stat but =/- would suggest Dillon has not been as horrible as some on her suggest.

He is also the toughest D on the roster.

He isn't horrible but he hasn't been as advertised. I place much of that on the system the team plays and it emphasizes his weaknesses and downplays his strengths, which I feel were more positional.

His toughness just seems to translate to needless penalties at times, and little else. He certainly isn't keeping the front of the net clear.

 

[scarbrow21]

I changed the title for you.

No more mini strokes daily so thanks!

 

[Guardian17]

You’re right, he/she/they didn’t have to. Now it’s gonna have to change back in a few weeks when we extend Lowry for three more seasons.

I'm a HE !!!!