Interesting Info: Part XXII (Jackets-related "tidbits" here)

[VT]

Panarin about contracts with Gaudreau and Laine:

Are there a lot of players coming to Columbus? Apparently they made cinemas there.

Панарин потроллил "Коламбус" после нескольких громких сделок

Российский нападающий клуба Национальной хоккейной лиги (НХЛ) "Нью-Йорк Рейнджерс" Артемий Панарин с юмором отреагировал на переходы звездных игроков в... РИА Новости Спорт, 30.07.2022

rsport.ria.ru

Many Russian advocated Columbus although there was no need, since it's a partial quote, taken out of context in the video, and all the sites did it. I'm just posting this as a sample of the Russian reaction.

Video (about 8:55)

 

[NotWendell]

If we're posting historic, goalie stickthrowing, Bruins OT game winners, how could you forget the first-ever OT Winner?


Sanderson, the hey song goal celebration, no chili chant, no Rimer. Nostalgia.
My first and last game in-person with my grandfather. We were in the Handicap seats on the ice right in front of this goal.

"Shot him out of a cannon"... If they only knew.

By the way, I was at this game. Dave King and some of the boys came over to Buca's over the game. Come to think of it, I don't think I've been there since. (shrug)

 

[Youngguns1380]

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Panarin about contracts with Gaudreau and Laine:

Панарин потроллил "Коламбус" после нескольких громких сделок

Российский нападающий клуба Национальной хоккейной лиги (НХЛ) "Нью-Йорк Рейнджерс" Артемий Панарин с юмором отреагировал на переходы звездных игроков в... РИА Новости Спорт, 30.07.2022

rsport.ria.ru

Many Russian advocated Columbus although there was no need, since it's a partial quote, taken out of context in the video, and all the sites did it. I'm just posting this as a sample of the Russian reaction.

Video (about 8:55)

Since I don't speak Russian and I think some things are getting lost in translation I don't know what any of this means. Is he making fun of Columbus?

 

[VT]

Since I don't speak Russian and I think some things are getting lost in translation I don't know what any of this means. Is he making fun of Columbus?

No.

 

[VT]

 

[Youngguns1380]

 

[Fro]

 

[DougKnowsBest]

I bet Cassels won

 

[Handigate]

Man I hope we're somehow able to bring back Cam to end his career as a Jacket!

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Michigan men’s hockey coach accused of berating staff, misleading recruits and retaliating against team captain

One finding from the investigation into the program detailed 'pervasive fears among both student athletes and staff members of retaliation.'

theathletic.com

Since we have a couple of former Michigan players.

 

[cslebn]

Michigan men’s hockey coach accused of berating staff, misleading recruits and retaliating against team captain

One finding from the investigation into the program detailed 'pervasive fears among both student athletes and staff members of retaliation.'

theathletic.com

Since we have a couple of former Michigan players.

This depresses me. I enjoyed watching Red's teams back when powers and Pearson were the assistants but this has no place anywhere.

 

[Youngguns1380]

NHL contract efficiency rankings: Grading every team in the league

The best and worst contracts are the most interesting but those are teasers for a this project where the league is graded on a whole.

theathletic.com

The Athletic ranks us 30th and said we would be dead last if we did not get the Johnny Hockey contract. They also said trading Bjorkstand and not a Nyquist makes it worst considering we don't have top 6 scoring depth (I am paraphrasing)

 

[DougKnowsBest]

NHL contract efficiency rankings: Grading every team in the league

The best and worst contracts are the most interesting but those are teasers for a this project where the league is graded on a whole.

theathletic.com

The Athletic ranks us 30th and said we would be dead last if we did not get the Johnny Hockey contract. They also said trading Bjorkstand and not a Nyquist makes it worst considering we don't have top 6 scoring depth (I am paraphrasing)

Meh. If we win more it would be great value.

It was basically a list of winning teams on top and loosing teams on bottom

 

[DJA]

NHL contract efficiency rankings: Grading every team in the league

The best and worst contracts are the most interesting but those are teasers for a this project where the league is graded on a whole.

theathletic.com

The Athletic ranks us 30th and said we would be dead last if we did not get the Johnny Hockey contract. They also said trading Bjorkstand and not a Nyquist makes it worst considering we don't have top 6 scoring depth (I am paraphrasing)

I don’t even have to click on this to know it’s a Dom L article.

 

[Viqsi]

Meh. If we win more it would be great value.

It was basically a list of winning teams on top and loosing teams on bottom

Yep. This. Dom Luszczyszyn doesn't seem to bother to correct that particular persistent error. I'm half convinced at this point that it's because he thinks that's an indicator that his models are working.

 

[Long Live Lyle]

Yep. This. Dom Luszczyszyn doesn't seem to bother to correct that particular persistent error. I'm half convinced at this point that it's because he thinks that's an indicator that his models are working.

But isn’t that the point? Unless you think hockey is completely luck/rolling of dice.

Although I do think that Don’s model is a bit off because it pretty much only about things like play driving and defense. Which I’m not saying aren’t important, because they are, but his model doesn’t really look at balance of roster/diversity of roles well. Every player is evaluated against the same criteria.

So a guy like Laine who is terrible defensively and not great as a play driver doesn’t look good. But he’s not getting paid for that, he’s getting paid because you can count on only one hand the amount of people better in the world than him at hitting a vulcanized piece of rubber into a 24-square-foot net. So put him with Johnny and let Gaudreau handle the play driving and play making, and let Laine take care of the part of the game in which he’s top-5 in the world.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I didn't need to write an entire long winded article to say that if you win more, your "Cost per win" against the salary cap is less.

That is basic math.

 

[LJ7]

NHL contract efficiency rankings: Grading every team in the league

The best and worst contracts are the most interesting but those are teasers for a this project where the league is graded on a whole.

theathletic.com

The Athletic ranks us 30th and said we would be dead last if we did not get the Johnny Hockey contract. They also said trading Bjorkstand and not a Nyquist makes it worst considering we don't have top 6 scoring depth (I am paraphrasing)

Will be funny to see Mason Marchment's new contract for example go from good to bad from one season not playing for Florida. Also can't wait to see Paul Maurice make the entire Florida roster have worse contracts.

 

[Viqsi]

But isn’t that the point? Unless you think hockey is completely luck/rolling of dice.

Although I do think that Don’s model is a bit off because it pretty much only about things like play driving and defense.

Actually incorrect; his model is focused strongly on puck possession and elements of same, since that's what's readily measurable with publicly available information. Players who do their best work without the puck aren't really measurable, and they try to fake it by inferring measurements based off of what happens when they're on the ice, and attempt to isolate that from everyone ELSE on the ice by paying closer attention to those moments when different Other Folks are on the ice.

I'd be less grumpy about him and others Doing The Best They Can With What They Have (anything more detailed would be extremely labor-intensive and costly, and that's likely a large part of why teams pay their own in-house statisticians) if they were more willing to acknowledge the weak points of those models rather than speak as though they're gospel.

 

[Long Live Lyle]

Actually incorrect; his model is focused strongly on puck possession and elements of same, since that's what's readily measurable with publicly available information. Players who do their best work without the puck aren't really measurable, and they try to fake it by inferring measurements based off of what happens when they're on the ice, and attempt to isolate that from everyone ELSE on the ice by paying closer attention to those moments when different Other Folks are on the ice.

I'd be less grumpy about him and others Doing The Best They Can With What They Have (anything more detailed would be extremely labor-intensive and costly, and that's likely a large part of why teams pay their own in-house statisticians) if they were more willing to acknowledge the weak points of those models rather than speak as though they're gospel.

I trust that you know the formula better than I do. My main point though wasn't about what's in the formula, or even that its criteria is "bad" in a vacuum, but that it doesn't evaluate diversity / playing styles that complement each other well; it just looks pretty much at all players under the same criteria in a vacuum instead of how all the players's varying strengths fit together in a puzzle.

Yeah, a line of three Patrik Laine clones is probably not going to be a great line (and probably be an especially bad first line compared to a league-average first line). But having a guy like Laine with players that can complement him 5-on-5 (not to mention having a guy like Laine on the PP) is extremely, extremely valuable and dangerous.

However, on the flip side, also acting like it's some sorta weird "gotcha" that Dom's model has the better teams higher-up seems strange to me. I'm not sure why it's so odd / problematic that the teams that he has higher on his better contracts list tend to be the better team; if anything, that shows his model is pretty good and we should perhaps be a bit more concerned than we are about this upcoming season. But we'll find out soon enough.

 

[thebus88]

To be clear, it’s been proven that the “info” and “data” plugged into these models is INACCURATE.

Also, they show WHAT has happened NOT WHY it has happened…

 

[Viqsi]

To be clear, it’s been proven that the “info” and “data” plugged into these models is INACCURATE.

Has it? I know they're jumping to somewhat too firm conclusions based on a heck of a lot of blind dead reckoning, but I'd not gotten any indications that the information they were using was inaccurate; just that it was inadequate.

Also, they show WHAT has happened NOT WHY it has happened…

They're attempting to surmise "why" and have very little to work with. My objection isn't that they're trying - it's that some of them (such as Luszczyszyn) put toegether their articles as though their latest work is the next best thing to gospel. Which is, frankly, absurd.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Michigan men’s hockey coach accused of berating staff, misleading recruits and retaliating against team captain

One finding from the investigation into the program detailed 'pervasive fears among both student athletes and staff members of retaliation.'

theathletic.com

Since we have a couple of former Michigan players.

An update: Pearson out as coach.

Pearson out as Michigan men's hockey coach

Mel Pearson is out as the University of Michigan men’s hockey coach, the school announced Friday. The school on Sunday announced Brandon Naurato will serve as interim head coach for the 2022-23 season. Pearson, whose contract expired in early May, had remained an employee of the school. A...

theathletic.com

 

[cslebn]

An update: Pearson out as coach.

Pearson out as Michigan men's hockey coach

Mel Pearson is out as the University of Michigan men’s hockey coach, the school announced Friday. The school on Sunday announced Brandon Naurato will serve as interim head coach for the 2022-23 season. Pearson, whose contract expired in early May, had remained an employee of the school. A...

theathletic.com

Good. Stuff like this it's embarrassing and has no place