I'm sorry, but does this seem alittle bit hollow to anyone else
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Luigi Lemieux
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Yes but this is US/Canada's tournament as it is hosted by the NHL. If there was a Euro Cup or a Nordic Cup that the other countries hosted, then they would play their games over there.xander said:
xander said:
The only reason it seems hollow is because were not going to see pro hockey for the next two years (With the exception of the OSHL)
P.S. The OSHL has said that it will be expanding rosters at the end of the this tourney & the beginning of the Lockout, so we should be seeing some more big names playing in the OSHL by Thursday!
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Dark Metamorphosis said:
yes, but those turnaments say in the name that they apply to a specific region, this is called the 'world cup', meaning that it pertains to the entire hockey playing world.
Well, you do have a point, but don't forget that this tourney was first known as the Canada Cup. I'm sure as the Tourney evolves not so many games will be played in Canada, time will tell. The rules are NHL rules.
VanIslander said:
I'm not saying we shouldn't hold some games in Canada, but must team Canada play all they're games at home? Can't we atleast take a stab at impartiality and hold a few of there games in slightly more neutral locations, say Boston?
When has the world champinships been held in Canada or the US? Never.
I guess that the Winter games gold was hollow too then (In salt lake USA)
I guess that the Winter games gold was hollow too then (In salt lake USA)
deandebean
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I didn't feel as much excitement over this tournament win as much as the Olympic win
i think the main reason is because canada didn't have as much adversity as it did going into the olympics.. canada had to prove something to the world in salt lake and started off on a stumble
this year, they were without a doubt the best team in the tournament and other than the czech scare and several injuries not many obstacles were in our way
the other side note is the CBA kinda stole some limelight.. but yea the win didn't feel as rich as in salt lake
i think the main reason is because canada didn't have as much adversity as it did going into the olympics.. canada had to prove something to the world in salt lake and started off on a stumble
this year, they were without a doubt the best team in the tournament and other than the czech scare and several injuries not many obstacles were in our way
the other side note is the CBA kinda stole some limelight.. but yea the win didn't feel as rich as in salt lake
xander said:
The World Cup of Soccer is played in 1 country. ( I know the last one was in Japan and Korea but there were games in Europe in this tournament as well )
The World Championships are also played in 1 country. So are the World Juniors.
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xander said:
I can understand where you're coming from. But let's not forget that Quebec and Halifax will be hosting the World Championships in a couple of years from now, and it will be the first time the competition is going to be held on this continent. Which means that we always have to send our players in Europe, on their ice surface, to compete. The refs don't call the same game, the surface is bigger, etc. So, is it fair for us North Americans? Nope, but we accept it.
Hockey can gross lots of money for such a tourney in North America , and only in North America. In Europe, the rinks used were smaller (and not even full some nights), by the way.
the world championships are always in europe and use euro size rinks so I guess that's an unfair tournament oh wait we won that 2 years in a row 
japanman said:When has the world champinships been held in Canada or the US? Never.
I guess that the Winter games gold was hollow too then (In salt lake USA)
well, salt lake's in the US, not Canada, so i don't really see where your going there.
and it was played with international rules.
Once again, I'm not trying to disparage Canada or the Canadian hockey team (I do think they're the best team in the world) I just find it alittle bit irksome that there wasn't even an atempt to ensure that a single game that Canada played was in an even remotely neutral location.
Nazzy-19 said:
yes, but those countries change, this turnament is always held here. I guess my point is that we should go back to calling it the Canada Cup if it's going to be played exclusivly in Canada and the US.
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I found it hollow, but not for the same reasons.
With a much more serious situation than many seem to realize on the horizon, the whole thing just seemed like kind of a farce.
But hey, congrats to Canada. Savor the flavor folks.
With a much more serious situation than many seem to realize on the horizon, the whole thing just seemed like kind of a farce.
But hey, congrats to Canada. Savor the flavor folks.
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I wasn't going to bother responding to this obvious attempt to taint a pretty solid win, but really....
1. Every tournament has to be played somewhere, and yes, there is a "home ice advantage". Get over it.
2. Every tournament has to have rules...and they don't all have to be the same. There are (at least) two recognized sets of hockey rules, and the World Championship each year as well as the Olympics play one set, while this particular tournament plays the other. So what? It is not like the old days when the Europeans had limited experience at the North American style game; nor is it like the Euro tournaments and championships with reffing that has been almost universally a joke...so what? Every team in the tournament played on the same ice with the same rules...doesn't put pucks in the net.
I happen to agree that it was hard to get as excited over a tournament like this as I did for the Olympics (or even the Stanley Cup), but it was pretty good hockey.
Beats the next year of watching Junior or minor league stuff...
1. Every tournament has to be played somewhere, and yes, there is a "home ice advantage". Get over it.
2. Every tournament has to have rules...and they don't all have to be the same. There are (at least) two recognized sets of hockey rules, and the World Championship each year as well as the Olympics play one set, while this particular tournament plays the other. So what? It is not like the old days when the Europeans had limited experience at the North American style game; nor is it like the Euro tournaments and championships with reffing that has been almost universally a joke...so what? Every team in the tournament played on the same ice with the same rules...doesn't put pucks in the net.
I happen to agree that it was hard to get as excited over a tournament like this as I did for the Olympics (or even the Stanley Cup), but it was pretty good hockey.
Beats the next year of watching Junior or minor league stuff...
BlindWillyMcHurt said:
assuming you are referring to the lockout that will start tomorrow and end in ... oh....2006 sometime, I think that is actually the farce. Personally, I hope the owners lose their shirts while the spoiled brats have trouble paying their mortgages. It would do the lot of them good to have to actually live like the rest of us.
Sure they use NHL rules, but almost every player in the tournament plays in the NHL, so I don't know why that would be a problem for you.
It was basically the best players from each country, and it just so happen that Canada's players were better than everyone else. Deal with it.
It was basically the best players from each country, and it just so happen that Canada's players were better than everyone else. Deal with it.
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[rant]Yeah, I mean the lockout, but to a greater extent, the actual problems with the game itself. I think it's a wonderful thing that the sport has such a rabid core following - especially with our great neighbors to the north. But the game, simply, needs more casual fans to pour money into the coffers.
I won't claim to know how to do that, but I think it may start with actually, oh I dunno, putting skating, creativity and flow back into the game. This is not to say that I object to physical hockey or anything, but you CAN have both.
The CBA isn't the only thing that matters right now.
And yeah, like you were alluding to gb, the lockout is something the league can absolutly not afford right now. They cannot fritter away what few fans they still have outside of the "hockey strongholds."
Look what happened to baseball - and that's friggin baseball. They were lucky as hell that Bonds, McGuire, and Sosa came along. As of now, I don't see anyone in hockeydom creating that kind of excitement. I dunno...[/rant]
I won't claim to know how to do that, but I think it may start with actually, oh I dunno, putting skating, creativity and flow back into the game. This is not to say that I object to physical hockey or anything, but you CAN have both.
The CBA isn't the only thing that matters right now.
And yeah, like you were alluding to gb, the lockout is something the league can absolutly not afford right now. They cannot fritter away what few fans they still have outside of the "hockey strongholds."
Look what happened to baseball - and that's friggin baseball. They were lucky as hell that Bonds, McGuire, and Sosa came along. As of now, I don't see anyone in hockeydom creating that kind of excitement. I dunno...[/rant]
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xander said:
No.
1. Almost every player in this tournament plays in the NHL so how do NHL rules favour Canada and the U.S.?
2. There is a home team in every tournament. This one actually allowed the U.S., Swedes, Finns, Germans and Czechs to play some games at home. The reason all of Canada's games were at home was because they had the best record. If it hadn't been they could have played a playoff game in the U.S., just like they did in 1996.
3. Finland was in Canada 3 days before they played the semi and one week before the final. Jet lag is not an excuse. They're in great shape, they're world class athletes and they're used to traveling and playing all the time. They sure didn't look tired to me.
so what
xander: Canada's round-robin games were in Canada because that guaranteed sellouts for those games. The Canadians EARNED the right to play at home in the knockout rounds by finishing first. If they had faltered in the opening round, they would have had to play in Minnesota.
xander: Canada's round-robin games were in Canada because that guaranteed sellouts for those games. The Canadians EARNED the right to play at home in the knockout rounds by finishing first. If they had faltered in the opening round, they would have had to play in Minnesota.
I think it is a little strange. I think all of the games should have been held in Canada. I mean if Canada played all of their games at home, Finland for example played games in Finland, Germany, US and Canada. Even in the World Championships all of the games are held in one place.
But then again this is not Canada's foult and Canada was still the best team. And it is money that rules here. And the need to market the sport..
But then again this is not Canada's foult and Canada was still the best team. And it is money that rules here. And the need to market the sport..
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