Confirmed with Link: Ilya Mikheyev (15% retained by VAN), '27 2nd rounder, & rights to Sam Lafferty for '27 4th rounder

[jls24]

I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from. KD has been saying forever that he wanted to space out picks.

We keep walking into each draft with like 7 picks in the first 3 rounds and this will continue for the foreseeable future.

This gives us multiple lottery tickets and also the capital to move up if we really like someone. Eventually capital to move for final pieces. This seems like a very sustainable strategy.

 

[Illinihockey]

I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from. KD has been saying forever that he wanted to space out picks.

We keep walking into each draft with like 7 picks in the first 3 rounds and this will continue for the foreseeable future.

This gives us multiple lottery tickets and also the capital to move up if we really like someone. Eventually capital to move for final pieces. This seems like a very sustainable strategy.

Yes we can sustainably be the sabers forever

 

[jls24]

Yes we can sustainably be the sabers forever

If we draft and develop poorly, sure.

But if we're drafting and developing poorly, this conversation doesn't matter anyway.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Yes we can sustainably be the sabers forever

That's what you project the Hawks rebuild as, two years into it?

 

[Illinihockey]

That's what you project the Hawks rebuild as, two years into it?

You think this is year 2 of the rebuild?

 

[ChiHawks10]

You think this is year 2 of the rebuild?

I mean... it is. It's not me thinking that. It's literally what it is.

The big sell-off of this team's talent for high-end picks happened in the summer of 2022, like 3 months after Davidson officially took over as permanent GM. That's when the major teardown started. Not sure how you can figure the rebuild is on any timeline other than that one...

 

[Illinihockey]

I mean... it is. It's not me thinking that. It's literally what it is.

The big sell-off of this team's talent for high-end picks happened in the summer of 2022, like 3 months after Davidson officially took over as permanent GM. That's when the major teardown started. Not sure how you can figure the rebuild is on any timeline other than that one...

We’ve had multiple top 10 picks before then. You can say the Seth jones pick goes against that but the hawks have been in the lottery since 2018

 

[ChiHawks10]

We’ve had multiple top 10 picks before then. You can say the Seth jones pick goes against that but the hawks have been in the lottery since 2018

Bowman was never trying to "rebuild". Like... what? Are you high right now?

Just because his teams sucked at the end doesn't mean he was trying to rebuild. He was just awful at his job the last 3-4 years of his tenure.

 

[Illinihockey]

Bowman was never trying to "rebuild". Like... what? Are you high right now?

rebuilding doesn’t mean you trade away every useable part of a team. The hawks traded for havlat in 2006, does that mean they weren’t rebuilding then?

 

[ClydeLee]

You think this is year 2 of the rebuild?

As you point out. They traded one of those top 10 picks For Jones. Bowman wasn't rebuilding with that trade push. When Davidson took over mid year, they couldn't really rebuild yet they didn't have that 1st rounder. That team gave a 7th? To CBJ. But then that offseason is when he began to rebuild and plan fully for the future.

rebuilding doesn’t mean you trade away every useable part of a team. The hawks traded for havlat in 2006, does that mean they weren’t rebuilding then?

The Hawks were trying to win all the time up to the Kane and Toews era... yeah Bill Wirtz was just cheap. Do you think theyvwere rebuilding I'm 02-04 or cheap? After the cap was put in. They were spending to the cap. Yeah they weren't rebuilding. They thought adding Accoin, Khabuilin, & Havlat was a team to win. Not a rebuild effort.

 

[ChiHawks10]

rebuilding doesn’t mean you trade away every useable part of a team. The hawks traded for havlat in 2006, does that mean they weren’t rebuilding then?

By your logic, the Hawks were also rebuilding in 2012. Or maybe even 2014, and again in 2016.. Then they were also rebuilding in 2001. Also, in 1985, and again in 1995. Like... this is such a ridiculous thought process. You could literally make the argument that they were ALWAYS rebuilding, based on your logic.

The true rebuild of this team started in the summer of 2022. The real teardown started then. Bowman was basically trying to win still... not rebuild, up to the very last day he was employed by the Hawks. And that was obvious to anyone with eyes.

 

[Hawkaholic]

You think this is year 2 of the rebuild?

Last year was the 1st year, this past year was the 2nd year. We are just starting year 3.

 

[Illinihockey]

By your logic, the Hawks were also rebuilding in 2012. Or maybe even 2014, and again in 2016.. Then they were also rebuilding in 2001. Also, in 1985, and again in 1995. Like... this is such a ridiculous thought process. You could literally make the argument that they were ALWAYS rebuilding, based on your logic.

The true rebuild of this team started in the summer of 2022. The real teardown started then. Bowman was basically trying to win still... not rebuild, up to the very last day he was employed by the Hawks. And that was obvious to anyone with eyes.

They absolutely were rebuilding in 2012, they lost like a third of the roster. Let me say it again, rebuilding doesn’t mean trade every useful part of your team. The idea you have to trade everyone and tank in order to rebuild is something sold to you by owners that want to save money

 

[ChiHawks10]

They absolutely were rebuilding in 2012, they lost like a third of the roster. Let me say it again, rebuilding doesn’t mean trade every useful part of your team. The idea you have to trade everyone and tank in order to rebuild is something sold to you by owners that want to save money

Uhhhh... what?

I'm convinced you're still awake and drunk from last night, at this point.

re·build
/rēˈbild/
verb

1. build (something) again after it has been damaged or destroyed.

Re-tooling after losing guys to Stanley Cup contract raises... is not rebuilding.

If I get a new roof on my house because of hail damage, did I rebuild my house?

If I get a new battery in my car, did I rebuild the engine?

 

[statswatcher]

the laffs have been rebuilding since 2004 don’t ya know

 

[Illinihockey]

Uhhhh... what?

I'm convinced you're still awake and drunk from last night, at this point.

re·build
/rēˈbild/
verb

1. build (something) again after it has been damaged or destroyed.

Re-tooling after losing guys to Stanley Cup contract raises... is not rebuilding.

If I get a new roof on my house because of hail damage, did I rebuild my house?

If I get a new battery in my car, did I rebuild the engine?

Retool is just another word for rebuild. Like I said the hawks have been in the lottery for 6 years. If that’s not a rebuild I don’t know what is. Trying to be competitive while you rebuild your roster doesn’t mean you aren’t trying to rebuild. Also your battery isn’t part of your engine but if you replace all of the pistons then yes you’ve rebuilt the engine even if everything else is the same

 

[statswatcher]

Trying to be competitive while you rebuild your roster doesn’t mean you aren’t trying to rebuild

ignoring the fact that if i take this at face value it’s a trivial tautology that begs the question, that’s actually literally exactly what it means.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Retool is just another word for rebuild. Like I said the hawks have been in the lottery for 6 years. If that’s not a rebuild I don’t know what is. Trying to be competitive while you rebuild your roster doesn’t mean you aren’t trying to rebuild

They're two different words, with two massively different meanings.

retool​

verb​

re·tool (ˌ)rē-ˈtül
intransitive verb
: to make especially minor changes or improvements
"retool for the future"

Should I come up with more examples of how slightly modifying something to make it a little better is NOT rebuilding something?

I add a cold air intake to my car. Did I rebuild the engine?

I paint and replace fixtures in my bathroom. Did I rebuild a new bathroom?

Like how is this even a hill you're dying on right now?

 

[ChiHawks10]

The Hawks have been rebuilding since 1926 folks. Longest rebuild in NHL history.

 

[Giovi]

Retool is just another word for rebuild. Like I said the hawks have been in the lottery for 6 years. If that’s not a rebuild I don’t know what is. Trying to be competitive while you rebuild your roster doesn’t mean you aren’t trying to rebuild. Also your battery isn’t part of your engine but if you replace all of the pistons then yes you’ve rebuilt the engine even if everything else is the same

The hole is deep enough man, just stop digging.

 

[Illinihockey]

They're two different words, with two massively different meanings.

retool​

verb​

re·tool (ˌ)rē-ˈtül
intransitive verb
: to make especially minor changes or improvements
"retool for the future"

Should I come up with more examples of how slightly modifying something to make it a little better is NOT rebuilding something?

I add a cold air intake to my car. Did I rebuild the engine?

I paint and replace fixtures in my bathroom. Did I rebuild a new bathroom?

Like how is this even a hill you're dying on right now?

Making major changes to the roster doesn’t mean explicitly getting worse. Even if it did the hawks dumped Keith and seabrook in 2021, guess that doesn’t count. Neither does trading Hammer in 2020 or Hossa in 2018.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Making major changes to the roster doesn’t mean explicitly getting worse. Even if it did the hawks dumped Keith and seabrook in 2021, guess that doesn’t count. Neither does trading Hammer in 2020 or Hossa in 2018.

Getting value for guys at the end of their careers, while they still have value, means it's a rebuild then?

Keith and Seabs were both falling, or had fallen off a cliff. Keith was pretty damn bad his last season or two here. Seabs was literally addition by subtraction at that point. Just him not being on the ice improved the D.

Hammer was also slowing down considerably. Hossa essentially retired due to a medical issue... he wasn't traded as part of a "rebuild".

I'm actually mind-blown that you're still dying on this silly f***ing hill. And trying to reach for any little straw you can grasp to make the case. It's nonsensical. This teardown/rebuild is literally just beginning its 3rd year. There really is no disputing that. By your logic, teams are just in a perpetual "rebuild". Which is just a dumb take.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Making major changes to the roster doesn’t mean explicitly getting worse. Even if it did the hawks dumped Keith and seabrook in 2021, guess that doesn’t count. Neither does trading Hammer in 2020 or Hossa in 2018.

lol what. They didn't get picks and prospects for trading Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, or Hossa. Of course it doesn't count.

 

[Illinihockey]

Getting value for guys at the end of their careers, while they still have value, means it's a rebuild then?

Keith and Seabs were both falling, or had fallen off a cliff. Keith was pretty damn bad his last season or two here. Seabs was literally addition by subtraction at that point. Just him not being on the ice improved the D.

Hammer was also slowing down considerably. Hossa essentially retired due to a medical issue... he wasn't traded as part of a "rebuild".

I'm actually mind-blown that you're still dying on this silly f***ing hill. And trying to reach for any little straw you can grasp to make the case. It's nonsensical. This teardown/rebuild is literally just beginning its 3rd year. There really is no disputing that. By your logic, teams are just in a perpetual "rebuild". Which is just a dumb take.

Turning over your entire D core isn’t rebuilding, got it

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

It's a semantics argument but the difference between rebuilding and retooling is the expectations to win. Seth was brought in in an effort to prop the window open for Toews and Kane. The rebuild started with the DeBrincat trade and letting Strome and Kubalik walk. The Hammer and Panarin trades were definitely an effort to retool the roster. Didn't work.