Ill-timed Stone puck dive causes Heiskanen to blow out his knee

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Stone is f***ing garbage

 

[majormajor]

As usual people are reading in motivations to the player from what happened in a slo-mo video, when in reality all of this happened in .1 seconds.

He's going to reach for the puck, just as he's done a thousand times in his career, and he gets tripped up as he starts to reach, all in a split second.

I understand the emotion when a player like Heiskanen gets hurt but it's just not plausible that this was what Stone was trying to do. He's putting himself in a bad spot by falling down into a player's path.

Maybe don’t try and sell the trip by Superman diving into somebody’s knee.

It was clearly 100% intentional, but the NHL doesn't have the courage to admit that. There was just enough going on to where they can explain this away to casual fans and get away with it. The NHL DoPS is full of cowards, so I do not expect him to even see a game.

Hate to say it, but this is the kind of thing that requires a Marty McSorely or Todd Bertuzzi level response. Hopefully it happens.

Do people not know that this is a slo-motion clip?

 

[hangman005]

Stone is f***ing garbage

Only on my Onlyfans, and only tonight.

Poor Oscar having that happen to his home though.

 

[Reality Czech]

Is there a player less worthy of respect that Mark Stone? Just an all around jerk

 

[majormajor]

I’ve watched a lot of hockey and I can’t recall ever seeing a player “fall” into someone’s legs in quite this manner. Falling down doesn’t look like this. What he did was closer to a leap than a trip, and it’s very very hard not to see intent in that replay.

You're not the only one who has watched a lot of hockey.

Stone is in the process of lunging for the puck. Think about where his left skate is going to be planted on the outside edge for the lunge and see it get stuck as he gets tripped, so the momentum just goes forward instead.

Falling down can look like that, if you don't have control over your feet. It's far easier to argue that a guy would fall head first (very dangerous for himself) accidentally, than it is to argue that he fell head first intentionally.

I’m not really sure how you adequately punish something like this. This has potential to devastate a team and change outcomes for an entire conference playoff bracket. What’s the most Stone can possibly get here, maybe 2 or 3 games off? It’s one of those things where you just have to swallow the bitter pill that bad people get away with bad things in this sport.

I don't think he gets suspended. I don't think there is a penalty for falling head first into another player, especially not as you're being tripped.

 

[Mubiki]

Do people not know that this is a slo-motion clip?

Of course they do. The slow-motion is what makes it evident that Hintz was a non-factor and that Stone dove straight at his knee. I'm thankful we have it. Without slow-motion it wouldn't be nearly as clear what a garbage hockey play this was from Stone.

 

[Blue and Green]

As usual people are reading in motivations to the player from what happened in a slo-mo video, when in reality all of this happened in .1 seconds.

He's going to reach for the puck, just as he's done a thousand times in his career, and he gets tripped up as he starts to reach, all in a split second.

I understand the emotion when a player like Heiskanen gets hurt but it's just not plausible that this was what Stone was trying to do. He's putting himself in a bad spot by falling down into a player's path.





Do people not know that this is a slo-motion clip?

Yeah, here's a link to the real-time clip and also about 2:10 into it there's a high overhead shot that really shows that Stone was in a tough position after Hintz tugged his skate. It's too bad, though, because Heiskanen is a great and classy player. Stars' Miro Heiskanen injured in collision with Golden Knights' Stone

 

[catters078]

You're not the only one who has watched a lot of hockey.

Stone is in the process of lunging for the puck. Think about where his left skate is going to be planted on the outside edge for the lunge and see it get stuck as he gets tripped, so the momentum just goes forward instead.

Falling down can look like that, if you don't have control over your feet. It's far easier to argue that a guy would fall head first (very dangerous for himself) accidentally, than it is to argue that he fell head first intentionally.




I don't think he gets suspended. I don't think there is a penalty for falling head first into another player, especially not as you're being tripped.

You contradict yourself by saying falling in one sentence then lunging in another.

Make up your mind.

Clearly dives with majority of body weight at heiskenans knee/upper leg. He was beat on the play and unable to stop heiskanen from getting by so dives at his leg.

There should be punishment for this. Can't be taking players legs out and causing injury.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Tripped, accidents happen, hopefully heiskanen heals up quickly.

 

[majormajor]

Yeah, here's a link to the real-time clip and also about 2:10 into it there's a high overhead shot that really shows that Stone was in a tough position after Hintz tugged his skate. It's too bad, though, because Heiskanen is a great and classy player. Stars' Miro Heiskanen injured in collision with Golden Knights' Stone

That's very clear from the overhead. That's just a regular trip. There's no tiny tug and then a second later Stone decides to sell it as a trip. His fall is immediate with the trip.

The only thing the refs missed here was the penalty to Hintz.

You contradict yourself by saying falling in one sentence then lunging in another.

Make up your mind.

Clearly dives with majority of body weight at heiskenans knee/upper leg. He was beat on the play and unable to stop heiskanen from getting by so dives at his leg.

There should be punishment for this. Can't be taking players legs out and causing injury.

It was going to be a lunge for the puck, Hintz turned it into a fall with the trip. That's not a contradiction.

 

[bov]

Clearly no intent whatsoever by Stone. You could argue he went down easy from Hintz but there's nothing dirty about this play, just bad luck. Dallas has no chance without Heiskanen, hopefully it's not serious.

 

[majormajor]

This play could have just as easily led to a situation where Heiskanen is fine and Stone gets a major concussion as his head hits Heiskanen in the knee. We were a couple inches away from that happening. Then we'd have a thread about Hintz' trip injuring Stone.

 

[mouser]

Not sure what to think on this incident.

Seeing all the clips in slow-mo can be misleading on how much time players had to respond and make intentional or unintentional decisions.

 

[tarheelhockey]

You're not the only one who has watched a lot of hockey.

Stone is in the process of lunging for the puck. Think about where his left skate is going to be planted on the outside edge for the lunge and see it get stuck as he gets tripped, so the momentum just goes forward instead.

Falling down can look like that, if you don't have control over your feet. It's far easier to argue that a guy would fall head first (very dangerous for himself) accidentally, than it is to argue that he fell head first intentionally.


I don't think he gets suspended. I don't think there is a penalty for falling head first into another player, especially not as you're being tripped.

I see his skate flutter a little, but why is he out over his skates in the first place? It’s not like he was going to remain balanced in that posture, regardless of the slight contact from Hintz. Any way you look at it, Stone stopped and made a deliberate lunge

It’s hard to believe he would actively plot to dive head-first into a guy’s knee, I’ll give you that. It’s kind of unthinkable that he meant to do this. But it’s also just a very questionable play on his part, and it doesn’t seem the little brush from Hintz changed the outcome all that much.

 

[hirawl]

Hintz did kind of trip him but the dive is absolutely deliberate from Stone. The outcome probably not.

The smirking on the bench is some next level shit that's going to carry over though.

 

[Unspecified]

I think Vegas and Stone are grade A D-bags but being a completely idiotic move I'm not sure it was malicious. Brain rot decisions that result in an injury whether intent is there needs to be looked at more. I hope next time we meet Bischel is in the lineup for Dallas. Bro is a giant and would RKO Stone.

 

[BurnabyJoe7]

Say what you want about the lunge/forward fall (as a result from Hintz) but there's zero malice on that play and just an unfortunate outcome. If anything, Stone mostly puts himself in danger there and 9/10 times it would be stone taking a knee or hip to the head on the play.

 

[ItWasJustified]

As soon as Stone felt Hintz stick on his skate he decided to dive to draw a penalty. Unfortunately he dived right into Heiskanen's knee.

 

[majormajor]

I see his skate flutter a little, but why is he out over his skates in the first place? It’s not like he was going to remain balanced in that posture, regardless of the slight contact from Hintz. Any way you look at it, Stone stopped and made a deliberate lunge

It’s hard to believe he would actively plot to dive head-first into a guy’s knee, I’ll give you that. It’s kind of unthinkable that he meant to do this. But it’s also just a very questionable play on his part, and it doesn’t seem the little brush from Hintz changed the outcome all that much.

You lean forward on your skates to reach for the puck, no mystery there. And there's no stop and then dive forward. He's continuously falling forward from the trip. Did you see the overhead linked a few posts up? It's much more clear from that vantage point, you can see what happens to his feet especially much more clearly from that angle. Instead of shifting his weight on to the outside edge of his left skate and turning toward the puck, Stone gets his left skate pulled out further so he has no way to right himself.

 

[Coffee]

Stone is f***ing garbage

Woah?

 

[majormajor]

As soon as Stone felt Hintz stick on his skate he decided to dive to draw a penalty. Unfortunately he dived right into Heiskanen's knee.

I know Stone is a smart guy but I don't think his brain works that fast. You're talking about events that all happened in a tenth of a second, and from the overhead it's more clear that there is no stop and then dive, it's one motion from the time of the trip.

 

[tarheelhockey]

You lean forward on your skates to reach for the puck, no mystery there. And there's no stop and then dive forward. He's continuously falling forward from the trip. Did you see the overhead linked a few posts up? It's much more clear from that vantage point, you can see what happens to his feet especially much more clearly from that angle. Instead of shifting his weight on to the outside edge of his left skate and turning toward the puck, Stone gets his left skate pulled out further so he has no way to right himself.

Ok, I hadn’t seen the overhead till just now. It does look very different from the overhead angle, the jamming of that left skate is more clear.

 

[Szechwan]

Clearly no intent whatsoever by Stone. You could argue he went down easy from Hintz but there's nothing dirty about this play, just bad luck. Dallas has no chance without Heiskanen, hopefully it's not serious.

This thread is hilarious. Dallas fans can have a temporary pass because tempers run hot when your franchise player gets hurt, but everyone else in here calling Stone dirty are absolutely delusional.

When have we *ever* seen a player purposely use their upper body to take out a knee? It would never happen because you're way more likely to get a concussion from a knee to the head.

Just zero common sense on display in here.

 

[Greatzsky 99]

which shows how bad NHL refs are as they still missed it

i dont understand, with todays replays and soforth, that there isnt refs who are watching the game on screens also, who has direct contact with the refs on ice, who has say 1 min to make an alternate decision, or something like that, it was probably the same 35 years ago, but no one could se reruns from different angles online back then. In Tennis i think line judges are going out cause of technology.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Hintz did kind of trip him but the dive is absolutely deliberate from Stone. The outcome probably not.

The smirking on the bench is some next level shit that's going to carry over though.

I'm glad the ESPN feed caught that shot on the tail end of their analysis.....what was he giggling about, while holding the tablet? That didn't sit well with me either. Dude knows he just injured a star player, whether or not it was "unintentional", yet he's already all smiles over there.

And no I'm not expecting any supplementary discipline from the league today. Hope Miro's season isn't over and he's back in a few weeks.