WC: IIHF refs
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svartgul
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The problem is that IIHF chooses refs from a large variety of countries instead of using the best refs available. Some games are travesties to witness.
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They don't even bother to choose referees from each country. I mean, why in the world there should be Latvian at IHWC?
Eduards Odiņš has two or three consecutive KHL Best referee awards, but that hasn't been enough to add him even as a linesman over some Dutch or Estonian guys..
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I think they've been watching too much soccer in the IIHF HQ.
FIFA loves to get a bunch of guys from Togo, Swaziland and Bhutan and assign them to World Cup games. The more flags, the better. That's their first mistake.
The second mistake is the selection process. They're not always choosing the best officials.
The third mistake is that referees that have been bad and bad consistently, making mistakes that have cost teams games, continue to officiate at the Elite tier level. If you're ****, that's OK - everyone makes mistakes, right? Wrong.
They're making it look like there's about 20-30 refs on this planet. I'm seeing the same names for a couple of decades.
FIFA loves to get a bunch of guys from Togo, Swaziland and Bhutan and assign them to World Cup games. The more flags, the better. That's their first mistake.
The second mistake is the selection process. They're not always choosing the best officials.
The third mistake is that referees that have been bad and bad consistently, making mistakes that have cost teams games, continue to officiate at the Elite tier level. If you're ****, that's OK - everyone makes mistakes, right? Wrong.
They're making it look like there's about 20-30 refs on this planet. I'm seeing the same names for a couple of decades.
This. When you're average couch potato recognizes the referee's name, there's a problem. There should be a proper selection process instead of having the same awful guys sent every year.
It's part of the price guys like Blatter pay for the support from the federations of these countries. I don't know if the reasons in hockey are similar.
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Reffing was never good at the WC. Usually they called to much (or less) minor penalties. That sucked, but was acceptable. But this year, they "stole" goals. I don't know if it was just bad luck, the wrong refs or something else. I hope, the will readjust it quickly.
For starters, I wouldn't pick refs from 4 different countries for a game...
For starters, I wouldn't pick refs from 4 different countries for a game...
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Repeating myself for the umpteenth time here but IIHF doesn't choose the refs. National federations ultimately pick the refs and send a list to IIHF. The problem lies originally there. They don't always pick the best ones but rather the ones that suck up to the refereeing officials the best. E.g. Finland's best referee has been for a number of years already Jari Levonen (he's been chosen as the best ref in the Finnish League by the players for several years in a row), but because he's publicly criticized the head of officials (and for a reason), he won't get international gigs as much as he should. Aleksi Rantala is widely regarded as one of the worst refs in Finland yet he's in the tournament this year...
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This tournament is a great example of why I really want only and only NHL referees at olympics /world cup. Yes, neither they are perfect, but much better than this ****. What more of an example do you want? 2 Swiss goals against the US, instead 2+2 for high sticking 5 + game misconduct, the Latvian goal yesterday, our canadian goal today, and bad, bad reffering all the games. Every game is different in terms of reffering. Absolutely horrible.
Those goalie interferences weren't blatantly obvious by any means, so it just makes you think if calls were made with intent. I haven't seen todays Canada crease play, but it just truly feels like an instruction given to call atleast one more of these plays..
I got the feeling that they had to decline the goal, since they declined an almost "look-a-like" goal yesterday
not sure if it was mentioned, but referees comittee has apologized to czech team for screwing up the goals in matches against denmark and sweden (both should have been disallowed)
they apologized for the major penalty assesed to czech player instead of 2+2 as well
http://www.sport.cz/hokej/ms2014/cl...ila-za-tri-chyby--dva-goly-nemely-platit.html
and now, latvia officials are outraged that their goal should have been allowed
i kind of understand them, the refereeing is wildly inconsistent
the worst thing from my point of view is that I don't really think that referees this year are worse than last years
quality of referees at WC has always been crap
they apologized for the major penalty assesed to czech player instead of 2+2 as well
http://www.sport.cz/hokej/ms2014/cl...ila-za-tri-chyby--dva-goly-nemely-platit.html
and now, latvia officials are outraged that their goal should have been allowed
i kind of understand them, the refereeing is wildly inconsistent
the worst thing from my point of view is that I don't really think that referees this year are worse than last years
quality of referees at WC has always been crap
Amen.
There's a reason why North Americans want NHL refs at the Canada Cup/Olympics, and it has nothing to do with bias and everything to do with competence.
There are plenty of competent referees in Europe. Most of them don't get selected for this tournament for reasons previously outlined in this thread.
True, but if the IIHF selection process leads to horrible refs getting the nod instead of the competent ones then I don't want IIHF refs at best-on-best tournaments.
Amen.
This is why I don't want them there. Overconfident North Americans. there are THREADS on this board about bad NHL refs.
You know there's a problem when the refs have to apologize to the same team for bad calls in two different games.
No one said NHL refs are perfect, but they're nowhere near as consistently bad as what we've seen at this tournament.
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Yup, like others have said, there seems to be no criteria for being selected. They don't chose the best refs, and those that are consistently incompetent and have outright negatively affected the outcome of games and standings are invited back year after year, not even being suspended for the remainder of the tournament. Perhaps some of the inconsistency comes from the differences between IIHF rules and the majority of the hockey world. There are simple, logical changes the IIHF can make so that they stop looking like fools on the international stage. Some of the rules and technicalities are just laughable. Also, make EVERYTHING reviewable by video (there is zero reason not to) and give each coach one challenge per game to get a call reversed if they feel it's wrong. If they're proven right, they don't get charged with having used it.
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those refs are acting good in this international ice circus, just pathetic.
i hope that circus dentist will resign or this tournament will cease to exist. those clowns want's to make a parody of hockey.
see the Canadian disallowed goal against Norway, and yesterdays Latvian disallowed goal against belarus. Is that a coincidence?
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i hope that circus dentist will resign or this tournament will cease to exist. those clowns want's to make a parody of hockey.
see the Canadian disallowed goal against Norway, and yesterdays Latvian disallowed goal against belarus. Is that a coincidence?
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That's a point of view thing. I don't see how a NA ref in any game at the Olympics is fair game. I did find the reffing in the Olympics poor at times. That's my poit of view. This topurnament's reffing is not abysmal. I've seen worse mistakes in the NHL. Nothing justifiying your claim for NHL refs.
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