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blacklisted like no one should sign him or play him?
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blacklisted like no one should sign him or play him?
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If he was a european player, then he would be blacklisted
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Gags1288 said:
Are you sure he would have played those eight games if there wasn't the olympics? If not, it's really irrelevant. Maybe he could have played one or two of those if he really had to, I don't know, but you are making a far bigger deal of this than it deservs.
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Force said:
do i think a country would go to great, and potentially risky lengths, to get the 4th best passer in the history of the NHL playing in these olympics? yes...
however, i also argued that as soon as Forsberg was over there it was a done deal and he was going to play (even if he's not 100%... which i don't think he is...).
Remy said:
Their injuries and injury history are drastically different. This type of situation should be looked at by case-to-case basis. And no I'm not implying Forsberg should be blacklisted...that's just stupid.
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We're not talking about Stürm, we're talking about the arguably best playmaker in the world, perhaps the best hockeyplayer in the world. Nylander is a great substitute, it's the coaches idiocy not to call him in "just in case", but Forsberg is Forsberg.Force said:
I just saw an interview with Forsberg right after his practice. He looked really relieved and sincerely happy. He smiled alot. I don't know why you are implying why he would cover up a no-healed injury. He is not STUPID (he is a very smart player). He knows if he is not 100%, he won't be able to play no matter how much he wants it.
He said he went 100% on practice a couple of times and felt nothing. Where are all Philly fans whining when he says he is 100% and plays the next Philly game, the other time he had a groin injury this season.
Who is selfish, Forsberg or the fans who demand that he must rest, even if he wants to represent his country for perhaps the last time in his career?
Jester
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Remy said:
for the record... there is a HUGE difference in the risk associated with a "cracked bone" and a groin tear in terms of potential for aggravation... if he was playing on something like that i wouldn't have nearly the paranoia i have concerning Forsberg ripping that groin apart by trying to play before it is ready to go.
I cannot believe that Snider and Clarke couldn't see this coming. In fact, I'm sure they knew it, but figured they might shame Forsberg into not playing for his country. I mean come on, the guy gets injured every 3rd game, he has a history of injuries, and he plays for his country every chance he gets. So the Flyers go out and sign him to win the Cup for them during an Olympic year? Smart guys.
Smart guys.
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Holly Golightly
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Gags1288 said:
Maybe not, but is Pronger injured at the present time? Was he injured before he left for Turino? Could he further injure himself in Olympic competition? Is Pronger vital to Edmonton's Stanley Cup aspirations?
Pete's a grown man who can make decisions for himself. He knows his body better than anyone. I've already stated this in another thread so please accept my apologies for repeating myself. I've been following Forsberg since 1992. He's the reason I started watching NHL hockey in the first place. And throughout all those years, I have never known of him to make a decision that would jeopordize his team, whether it be Modo, the Avs, or the Swedish National Team. Pete takes his job seriously. And he is one of the most passionate players out on the ice today. He's a player who I've never even once had to question where his loyalties lie or what his priorities are. I can understand why Philly fans may be frustrated and upset with Pete's decision. But can't you just trust Pete's judgement? I sincerely don't believe he is the type of player that would do anything to hurt his team (i.e. Philly).
Jester
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Habsruleen said:I cannot believe that Snider and Clarke couldn't see this coming. In fact, I'm sure they knew it, but figured they might shame Forsberg into not playing for his country. I mean come on, the guy gets injured every 3rd game, he has a history of injuries, and he plays for his country every chance he gets. So the Flyers go out and sign him to win the Cup for them during an Olympic year?
smart post...
if we win the cup... what then?
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Jester
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Remy said:
are you serious with that question...? you can NEVER trust an athlete's judgment when it comes to playing or not playing. EVER.
Jester
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Jazz said:Great news - it will make a great tournment even better!
if nothing else it sets up for a bloodbath on our board if he goes out in the first period tomorrow.
Jazz
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Habsruleen said:I cannot believe that Snider and Clarke couldn't see this coming. In fact, I'm sure they knew it, but figured they might shame Forsberg into not playing for his country. I mean come on, the guy gets injured every 3rd game, he has a history of injuries, and he plays for his country every chance he gets. So the Flyers go out and sign him to win the Cup for them during an Olympic year?
This is something I have been arguing for the past few weeks here (that it was wrong for NHL GMs (ahem, Bob Clarke) to put any pressure on players to not go), and now I feel vindicated!
Jester
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Jazz said:
your boss never put pressure on you about something you don't want to do? it's called life... they're not allowed to bar... they are allowed to express their feelings.
Jazz said:
Exactly. Both sides signed the CBA and they knew what they were getting into. Now the NHL teams that have players going to the Olympics have to deal with the consequences, be it fatigue, injuries, etc.
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Jester said:
Ummmm, yes, I was being serious. I'm sorry, but I try not to lump every athlete into one category. Like I have stated, I've been following Peter for quite sometime, and I have learned, over the years, to trust in his judgement.
I have found that his decisions have always been quite sound and logical throughout the years. Now, on the other hand, if the the little bugger has had a history of making bad decisions, then I probably would be telling all you Philly fans to get on your knees and start praying to the Hockey Gods.
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Remy said:Ummmm, yes, I was being serious. I'm sorry, but I try not to lump every athlete into one category. Like I have stated, I've been following Peter for quite sometime, and I have learned, over the years, to trust in his judgement.
I have found that his decisions have always been quite sound and logical throughout the years. Now, on the other hand, if the the little bugger has had a history of making bad decisions, then I probably would be telling all you Philly fans to get on your knees and start praying to the Hockey Gods.
okay... here's a stab at lumping professional athletes into one category. they are VERY competitive people who've reached the levels they've reached due to a combination of natural skill paired with that competitive streak and love for the game. they are the type of people that would rather play whenever possible than sit on the bench. therefore, when injured, when trying to take a pitcher out of a game, etc. players are not to be trusted to come to sound judgment regarding their physical condition...
not a negative judgment of athletes or forsberg... just the nature of the beast.
oh... we're already praying, with good reason:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/fantasy?playerId=284
his groin problems AREN'T new, and they don't go away easily... the rest would have been the best possible thing for him.
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Apparently they will play him on the 4th line tomorrow, with P-J Axelsson and PÃ¥hlsson. Presumably they are easing him into the tournament, as he is unlikely to stay on the 4th line.
Jazz
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My mistake for not clarifiying - but Clarke came out and said that he 'should' be able to forbid Forsberg from going...Jester said:
Jazz said:My mistake for not clarifiying - but Clarke came out and said that he 'should' be able to forbid Forsberg from going...
What's wrong with that?
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