Prospect Info: Igor Shestyorkin Part I

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I know this thread has been dead now for some days, but I wonder if someone can help me with a question about Shesterkin. I haven't been able to watch any of his games at all, and I would like to know if someone could explain what type of goalie he is/how he plays in a little more detailed explanation. Is there someone in the NHL right know you can compare him to?
I've always been fascinated by goaltenders and their skill, and I'm really curious about our could-be future goalie!
 
I know this thread has been dead now for some days, but I wonder if someone can help me with a question about Shesterkin. I haven't been able to watch any of his games at all, and I would like to know if someone could explain what type of goalie he is/how he plays in a little more detailed explanation. Is there someone in the NHL right know you can compare him to?
I've always been fascinated by goaltenders and their skill, and I'm really curious about our could-be future goalie!

Usually, the comparison is Quick.
 
More Bobrovsky than Quick.

I wouldn't begin to question you about the technical aspects of goalies, but people who follow the situation closely say that Sorokin plays a lot like Bobrovskiy and Shestyorkin is more like Varlamov, if you want to compare him to a Russian goalie. Quick was the comparison I used, I'm not sure how good it is, but Sorokin gets the Bobrovskiy comparison way more than Shestyorkin. Maybe it fits for both though.
 
Not for nothing, and I know this strays from Igor a bit, but has anyone seen how the Isles other (besides Sorokin) 2014 Goalie draft pick is doing? The Isles selected Linus Soderstrom in the 4th round in 2014. He's 20 years old now and playing in his first SHL season. He has a 1.38 GAA (leads the SHL) and .943 SV% (2nd in the SHL) with 20 games played for HV71. 6'4" 200 lbs. This guy is a Beast in Beastmode.

The Isles are sitting prettier than we are in Goalie Prospects.
 
Who cares about style? Richter was a standup goalie, Patrick Roy was butterfly, Lundqvist is a mix, Hasek had no style at all. The style you play tells you nothing about how good you are.
 
Who cares about style? Richter was a standup goalie, Patrick Roy was butterfly, Lundqvist is a mix, Hasek had no style at all. The style you play tells you nothing about how good you are.

It's an interesting thing to discuss about goaltending.

Boohoo if you don't care for it. We're discussing it.
 
Not for nothing, and I know this strays from Igor a bit, but has anyone seen how the Isles other (besides Sorokin) 2014 Goalie draft pick is doing? The Isles selected Linus Soderstrom in the 4th round in 2014. He's 20 years old now and playing in his first SHL season. He has a 1.38 GAA (leads the SHL) and .943 SV% (2nd in the SHL) with 20 games played for HV71. 6'4" 200 lbs. This guy is a Beast in Beastmode.

The Isles are sitting prettier than we are in Goalie Prospects.

I think an argument can easily be made that Shestyorkin cancels out Sorokin, Huska cancels out Soderstrom, and having others like Wall, Halverson, Skapski that could have eventual NHL roles gives us the advantage, although they do have a few goalies in the NA minor leagues.
 
I think an argument can easily be made that Shestyorkin cancels out Sorokin, Huska cancels out Soderstrom, and having others like Wall, Halverson, Skapski that could have eventual NHL roles gives us the advantage, although they do have a few goalies in the NA minor leagues.

Huska does not cancel out Soderstrom. One is doing ok, but unspectacularly in NCAA. The other is doing amazingly in the SHL, a far, far better league than NCAA.
 
I haven't watched him play much...but considering his size and reflexes...isn't Hank a fair comparison?

Shesterkin is more athletic than Hank, but not as technically sound. Not at all similar.
 
Huska does not cancel out Soderstrom. One is doing ok, but unspectacularly in NCAA. The other is doing amazingly in the SHL, a far, far better league than NCAA.

Huska plays for a terrible team. I think he was the second star the other night giving up 3 on 29 shots, so I wouldn't say SV% and GAA means all that much.
 
Huska plays for a terrible team. I think he was the second star the other night giving up 3 on 29 shots, so I wouldn't say SV% and GAA means all that much.

I don't care about his team. I don't care about his stats. What he's doing in NCAA is not as impressive by a wide margin to what Soderstrom is doing in in the SHL. Are we really latching onto a "second star the other night" to prove he's incredible in college? There's literally nothing amazing about Huska's performance. It's solid, but it's not amazing. Meanwhile, Sod put up amazing numbers in the SHL, arguably the 3rd best league in the world after the NHL and the KHL. It's at least on par with the AHL. And yet, he will still be unable to buy beer legally for half a year. He also ran up incredible numbers in the WJC.

A very reasonable argument can be made that Soderstrom is better than Shesterkin, or at least even. Same for Sorokin. The two Islander goalies and Shesterkin are all in the same class, give or take a little. Huska is the kind of prospect that every team has, and if he weren't a Ranger fan, you'd have never mentioned him.
 
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Purely in terms of technical style, I would definitely compare him to Carey Price over Quick/Lundqvist.

The last change in the goalie world is highly influenced by Price's success the last years and Shest has obviously been given the latest coaching in this perspective.

The latest thing that has happened is that the goalie coaches want their goalies to be much more economical in their movement. Guys like Hank and Quick are basically old fashion in this regard. The back ground is the following. You had guys like Richter who stood up and went out far from the net to cut angles. Then came the butterfly goalies. But like Roy was also seen 9 feets out of the net at times. But they went down to take away the ice. The next big change was to pull these guys back into the net as much as possible. The idea is simply to greatly increase the number of goals its "possible" for a goalie to stop. Like, if you go out "just" 6 feets when a D is taking a shot, and the shot misses the net and bounced to someone with the stick right by the post its a stop in that no goalie can stop. The deeper you play in the net, the fewer these "unstoppable" goals will be. The side effect is of course that shots are harder to stop, but the upside is higher.

Parallel to this development there have been a lot of work done towards making more or less all plays "standard" plays. Very little room for improvising, and basically all type of plays and shots have been worked on to handle them best. Down to very small details. This is basically where Hank is at. And the result is a very complex and demanding movement pattern.

In this regard Price have had more success with not over working things. Price's biggest focus is, while being deep in the net, to also always stay composed and in balance. In order to achieve that he has simplified and simply carved out a lot of complex difficult standard plays.

If you watch Price play Shest moves in the same way. Small economical movements. Rather 3 small steps sideways than 1 bigger movement to stay with a stretch pass (if of course its not for a onetimer towards an open net). Much less up and down than Quick and Hank. In a sense, Hanks style and the goalies of his generation is a bit ability disqualified in their style if you get what I mean. A puck should be saved by a pre-taught technics and not by a goalie standing in a position well prepared to make a stop. But the downside is that with all these movements and specifically designed plays to stop all and any type of shots, there is a greater risk for the goalie to lose balance/focus on the shot and play. And in this sense Shest is much much more comparable to Price than Hank and Quick and its really the only way to describe the "style" he plays.

Then a fundamental difference between Shest and Price is that Shest is small and very good at scrambling and being athletic between the pipes, and he also must be that since he is smaller, while Price is tremendously good at staying up right and just taking away big parts of the net and seldomly have to scramble between the pipes. So its definitely true that they are different type of goalies, but they play the same style.
 
I don't care about his team. I don't care about his stats. What he's doing in NCAA is not as impressive by a wide margin to what Soderstrom is doing in in the SHL. Are we really latching onto a "second star the other night" to prove he's incredible in college? There's literally nothing amazing about Huska's performance. It's solid, but it's not amazing. Meanwhile, Sod put up amazing numbers in the SHL, arguably the 3rd best league in the world after the NHL and the KHL. It's at least on par with the AHL. And yet, he will still be unable to buy beer legally for half a year. He also ran up incredible numbers in the WJC.

A very reasonable argument can be made that Soderstrom is better than Shesterkin, or at least even. Same for Sorokin. The two Islander goalies and Shesterkin are all in the same class, give or take a little. Huska is the kind of prospect that every team has, and if he weren't a Ranger fan, you'd have never mentioned him.

You are basing this purely on performance via stats though. How much of Soderstrom have you watched and do people who work in the business of analyzing prospects for a living agree with you? Huska had terrible stats at the WJC two years in a row, but was one of the better goalies. Thats why results aren't everything.

If Huska is in the 10-20 range of NHL Goalie prospects, you are probably right that the average team has a player like him, but we also picked him in the 7th round, and it would be pretty good drafting to get an NHL'er out of a 7th rounder.
 
You say I didn't watch Sod in the SHL. Did you? Let's be very clear about the main rule of this board when it comes to prospects: if you say something positive, you can talk out of your @$$, but if you have any doubts at all, you must prove that you know more about a kid than his coach.

Sod was good in the WJC as an 18 year old, great as a 19 year old. His stats in the SHL confirm that. Huska was good at times in the WJC, terrible other times. Everyone gave him a break because Slovakia was getting abused, but face it, nobody knows how he'd have done if Slovakia wasn't terrible.

His play in the NCAA is nothing special. The mere fact that Sod can play in the SHL is impressive.

There are ways of dealing with stats to get real info even if you do not watch the player. For ex, the fact that Sod has 1.38 and .943 while the other goalie has 2.17 and .910 (and 2 more who played a few games with similar or worse stats as the other goalie), tells me he's not a passenger.

On the other hand, yes, Huska is not on a great team, but if he were a dominant goalie at his level, his team would look better. That is not to say that he's not good, but the SHL is MASSIVELY ahead of the NCAA and whereas Sod looks to be one of the better SHL goalies, we cannot say that of Huska at a MUCH lower level. When I say the SHL is massively better than NCAA, I mean that 90% of the NCAA players couldn't keep up in the SHL right now, and most NCAA players don't have the talent to play in the SHL even when they hit their prime.

Unless we get better intel, all signs (his WJC performance, the league he plays in, his stats) point to Sod being very much on par with Shesterkin, and head and shoulders above Huska/Wall.
 
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You say I didn't watch Sod in the SHL. Did you? Let's be very clear about the main rule of this board when it comes to prospects: if you say something positive, you can talk out of your @$$, but if you have any doubts at all, you must prove that you know more about a kid than his coach.

Sod was good in the WJC as an 18 year old, great as a 19 year old. His stats in the SHL confirm that. Huska was good at times in the WJC, terrible other times. Everyone gave him a break because Slovakia was getting abused, but face it, nobody knows how he'd have done if Slovakia wasn't terrible.

His play in the NCAA is nothing special. The mere fact that Sod can play in the SHL is impressive.

There are ways of dealing with stats to get real info even if you do not watch the player. For ex, the fact that Sod has 1.38 and .943 while the other goalie has 2.17 and .910 (and 2 more who played a few games with similar or worse stats as the other goalie), tells me he's not a passenger.

On the other hand, yes, Huska is not on a great team, but if he were a dominant goalie at his level, his team would look better. That is not to say that he's not good, but the SHL is MASSIVELY ahead of the NCAA and whereas Sod looks to be one of the better SHL goalies, we cannot say that of Huska at a MUCH lower level. When I say the SHL is massively better than NCAA, I mean that 90% of the NCAA players couldn't keep up in the SHL right now, and most NCAA players don't have the talent to play in the SHL even when they hit their prime.

Unless we get better intel, all signs (his WJC performance, the league he plays in, his stats) point to Sod being very much on par with Shesterkin, and head and shoulders above Huska/Wall.

Given that you've not yet said that you've watched Soderstrom much, what should I go off? Should I assume you've watched him play a lot when it seems from the way you are describing him that you haven't?

Huska may not cancel out Soderstrom. I have not seen Soderstrom enough to know for sure and you are right that statistically Soderstrom has been very good. Saying that, I just can't agree with you that Huska wasn't very good at the WJC's. Ray Ferraro who does the commentary at TSN for like half the WJC games played was asked after the tournament on the radio which player surprised him that he thought had an NHL future, and his first answer was Huska. I think Huska showed enough in that one period against Canada to show he has the ability to play at a very high level. Huska gave up many goals in that tournament and the previous one, but most of that is because Slovakia is always outclassed badly. I remember very few bad goals he gave up.

I think his stats might undercut how good he is. What if Shestyorkin played on a bad KHL team? Would he be considered as good with a .925 save percentage? And I'm not saying Huska is as good as Shestyorkin either, but I think there's a good chance that he does get undercut due to stats. We have yet to see this guy play for a good team, except for the USHL where when he did he was by far the best goalie in that league last year, a league that had some other pretty good goalies. And lets consider that Soderstrom is a full year older than Huska. So you may be right that Huska does not cancel out Huska, but I think you may be being a little unfair to Huska, based on his stats. I think Huska is borderline a top 10 goalie prospect. When a few of the top 10 ones graduate, he might find his way into the back end of that top 10, like Shestyorkin did two years ago, and he's only continued to rise since then.
 
Given that you've not yet said that you've watched Soderstrom much, what should I go off?

I was responding to your claim that Huska=Soderstrom. Since I have no right to have an opinion that Huska is not equal to Soderstrom, would it be fair to say that you have no right to an opinion that Huska=Sodestrom? Or how does this work? If you think that a Rangers prospect is great, then you can just say it, no proof needed, but if you have any doubts whatsoever, then you must prove it beyond a reasonable doubt?

Should I assume you've watched him play a lot when it seems from the way you are describing him that you haven't?

I probably watched Sod exactly the same as you: in the two WJCs he played.

My opinion of Sod is based on: 1) WJC; 2) him playing in one of the best leagues in the world at a very young age; 3) his overall stats; 4) the fact that none of other 3 goalies who played for the same team have stats nearly as good, so it cannot be merely that he's on a good team. What are you basing Sod=Huska?

Huska may not cancel out Soderstrom. I have not seen Soderstrom enough to know for sure and you are right that statistically Soderstrom has been very good. Saying that, I just can't agree with you that Huska wasn't very good at the WJC's.

Let's keep in mind that I began pimping Huska in the WJC a year ago before anyone else did. However, Huska's performance is tough to judge because he was shelled from all sides by superior teams. We give him a break for giving up bad goals because he must've been tired from all the high-percentage chances Slovakia gave up against him, but what proof is there that he wouldn't have given up those goals had he played for Sweden? Sod proved he can consistently stop the puck at the WJC level. Huska proved he can do it a lot, but not that he can do it consistently since he obviously gave up some awful goals.


Ray Ferraro who does the commentary at TSN for like half the WJC games played was asked after the tournament on the radio which player surprised him that he thought had an NHL future, and his first answer was Huska.

Frankly, who cares about Ray Ferraro? Being on TV does not make you special. I assure you, if he weren't a former NHLer, he'd be commenting on HF instead of NHLN. In 1984 Neil Smith (who went on to become a Cup-winning GM) said that Kirk Muller is a better prospect than Mario Lemieux. People are wrong sometimes. Not saying Ferraro is necessarily wrong here, I do think Huska is a very good prospect, I just think Sod has done much more in his career given his play in the WJC and the SHL.

I think Huska showed enough in that one period against Canada to show he has the ability to play at a very high level.

Our prospect Jamie Ram shut out the Colorado Avalanche for one period the year when they won the Stanley Cup. He never played in the NHL before or after. Mackenzie Skapski gave up 1 goal in 2 NHL games - he is now a below average goalie at the ECHL level. A period at the WJC level proves nothing.

Huska gave up many goals in that tournament and the previous one, but most of that is because Slovakia is always outclassed badly.

True, but is this proof that had he played for Team Sweden, he'd be great?

I think his stats might undercut how good he is.

Probably, but Sod seems to be more than good, he seems to be one of the elite goalie prospects. Huska may catch up, and he has shown a lot of improvement. But why not wait for it?

What if Shestyorkin played on a bad KHL team?

Talbot played on an awful Alabama team and still ran up .925 SV%, got them into Sweet-16 and almost knocked out the #1 ranked team out of the playoffs purely on the strength on his own effort playing behind a bunch of kids most of whom would never play for 80% D1 teams. He played for a Wolf Pack team that was probably the worst team in the AHL and almost got them into the playoffs. They would have so many defensive breakdowns in front of him, it was insane. It was almost as if they were doing it on purpose. Good players figure out a way to look good on bad teams.
 
Purely in terms of technical style, I would definitely compare him to Carey Price over Quick/Lundqvist.

The last change in the goalie world is highly influenced by Price's success the last years and Shest has obviously been given the latest coaching in this perspective.

The latest thing that has happened is that the goalie coaches want their goalies to be much more economical in their movement. Guys like Hank and Quick are basically old fashion in this regard. The back ground is the following. You had guys like Richter who stood up and went out far from the net to cut angles. Then came the butterfly goalies. But like Roy was also seen 9 feets out of the net at times. But they went down to take away the ice. The next big change was to pull these guys back into the net as much as possible. The idea is simply to greatly increase the number of goals its "possible" for a goalie to stop. Like, if you go out "just" 6 feets when a D is taking a shot, and the shot misses the net and bounced to someone with the stick right by the post its a stop in that no goalie can stop. The deeper you play in the net, the fewer these "unstoppable" goals will be. The side effect is of course that shots are harder to stop, but the upside is higher.

Parallel to this development there have been a lot of work done towards making more or less all plays "standard" plays. Very little room for improvising, and basically all type of plays and shots have been worked on to handle them best. Down to very small details. This is basically where Hank is at. And the result is a very complex and demanding movement pattern.

In this regard Price have had more success with not over working things. Price's biggest focus is, while being deep in the net, to also always stay composed and in balance. In order to achieve that he has simplified and simply carved out a lot of complex difficult standard plays.

If you watch Price play Shest moves in the same way. Small economical movements. Rather 3 small steps sideways than 1 bigger movement to stay with a stretch pass (if of course its not for a onetimer towards an open net). Much less up and down than Quick and Hank. In a sense, Hanks style and the goalies of his generation is a bit ability disqualified in their style if you get what I mean. A puck should be saved by a pre-taught technics and not by a goalie standing in a position well prepared to make a stop. But the downside is that with all these movements and specifically designed plays to stop all and any type of shots, there is a greater risk for the goalie to lose balance/focus on the shot and play. And in this sense Shest is much much more comparable to Price than Hank and Quick and its really the only way to describe the "style" he plays.

Then a fundamental difference between Shest and Price is that Shest is small and very good at scrambling and being athletic between the pipes, and he also must be that since he is smaller, while Price is tremendously good at staying up right and just taking away big parts of the net and seldomly have to scramble between the pipes. So its definitely true that they are different type of goalies, but they play the same style.

Thank you! This really gives me a good perspective, and I can certainly agree that Carey Price has one of the best, if not the best footwork in the nhl.
 
https://www.ska.ru/en/news/view/khariis-vitolin-sh-vsie-zavisit-tol-ko-ot-nas/

So this ******* says Koskinen is playing because young goalies make mistakes in the playoffs. I hope they lose.


The goalkeeping position? In the playoffs, the player who knows what this is all about should play. Looking back in the past, young playoff debutants have all made mistakes. Nevertheless, I think that our goalkeeping coaches will find an opportunity for Igor Shestyorkin to play.
 
https://www.ska.ru/en/news/view/khariis-vitolin-sh-vsie-zavisit-tol-ko-ot-nas/

So this ******* says Koskinen is playing because young goalies make mistakes in the playoffs. I hope they lose.


The goalkeeping position? In the playoffs, the player who knows what this is all about should play. Looking back in the past, young playoff debutants have all made mistakes. Nevertheless, I think that our goalkeeping coaches will find an opportunity for Igor Shestyorkin to play.

Russian coaches sure don't mince words. :laugh:
 
Shesterkin is more athletic than Hank, but not as technically sound. Not at all similar.

IDK that's also a post-allaire Henrik. When he was in Sweden he was known for being very aggressive and athletic. THat's part of why the change in his game works so well. His reflexes are insane.
 
IDK that's also a post-allaire Henrik. When he was in Sweden he was known for being very aggressive and athletic. THat's part of why the change in his game works so well. His reflexes are insane.

That's possibly true, but unproven yet. But that's why I would not trade him for anyone, I think there's a chance he becomes a franchise goalie. Maybe not, but I don't want to risk trading the next Lundqvist.
 
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