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Gary Nylund said:
I don't "message" people, this is called posting. Have a nice day.
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Well whatever you are doing, stop it. It is rude to stumble your way into an exchange between people and insist that they are not getting your obscure point that is unrelated.
 
Notsince67 said:
Well whatever you are doing, stop it. It is rude to stumble your way into an exchange between people and insist that they are not getting your obscure point that is unrelated.
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This is a discussion forum. If you want your discussions to be private, then have them elsewhere. There's a PM function available here, perhaps you'd prefer to use that.

My point was directly "on point". Perhaps if you'd put the same amount of energy into trying to understand what I wrote (which was actually very straightforward) as you're putting into being angry, you'd understand what I said.
 
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Prolific regular season points producers who don't do that in the playoffs don't help you win, and in fact do the opposite. That's not to say Matthews and Marner can't get their heads out of their asses but thus far in the playoffs they have yet to do so on a consistent basis... thus the failures.

We should be past the "regular season points" semantics with this team. We know what we have.
 
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therealkoho said:
Matthews more than a few reasons for it, one of which is the return would be really great for the team and could set the team up for the next 10 years.
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Anthrax442 said:
I would trade anyone, it all depends on the return.
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So here it is;

Phil Kessel + Crouse + Stralman + McCartney + Callahan(D) + Moser(D)
Avs 1st '21 + SJ 2nd '21 + Coyote 3rd 21 + Coyote 1st '23 + Montreal 2nd '24
+ Eckman Larsson retained cap hit(990,000)through 26/27

Matthews + Ritchie + Dermott + Leafs 2nd '24(conditional if the Leafs have the higher of the two picks then they keep theirs, if Mtl pick is higher then they take it and cede their pick to Ari.)

The Maple Leafs intake is 13,623,333 the out go is 15,640,250 there is a net gain of 2,016,917

Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Kerfoot - Nylander - Kessel( we're paying him anyway and he's still got a little in the tank if not Kase gets the 2nd line duties)
Engvall - Kampf - Kase
Crouse - Spezza - Simmonds


Brodie - Reilly
Muzzin - Stralman
Sandin - Liljegren

Crouse is a definite upgrade over Ritchie,

Stralman is a solid vet who's not prone to mistakes and is an upgrade over Derms

Nylander over the last season and now is playing with a new found maturity and may just be ready for a centre's role if not Kerfoot can do the job

The Leafs pick up 2 1st rnd picks a 2nd and a 3rd and the option on the 2nd in 2024

have at it
 
Who should be on the block? In order...
Dermott - With Sandin & Liljegren emerging who play a similar style, and Rielly locked up, there's really no space for him short term or long term.

Engvall - The Leafs do need to clear cap space, and he's a guy that is kind of just "there". If they're looking to make an improvement, he doesn't really have a spot.

Ritchie - Has been basically useless and is a pretty big waste of cap, but MAY be worth keeping around, as he could play a big role against certain types of teams.

Mikheyev - Tough to trade a guy that hasn't played this year, but again, cap could be a consideration.


My question is -- at what point does Leaf management decide that perhaps they do need some form of offence from more than their top 2 lines?

Loading up 1 unit against Montreal didn't work. It didn't really work against the Blue Jackets. They're guilty of doing it pretty frequently this year. You look at the most recent Boston series that they probably would have won had it not been for Kadri's BS... it was a relentless stream of highly talented lines, and they made themselves a matchup nightmare.

I believe that if the Leafs are going to go far, it needs to be driven by depth. Tavares with Marner. Matthews with a guy like Kase, Kerfoot with Nylander, 4th line can be Kampf & Simmonds. Don't be afraid to use your stars in tough situations. Every team you face in the playoffs is going to be able to shut down 1 unit -- that's ok. Nobody can shut down all 3. That being said, if you figure Bunting, Ritchie, Mikheyev, Spezza and Engvall at the left wingers, I think you probably are looking for an upgrade -- somebody who plays the game with a fair bit of grit.
 
therealkoho said:
So here it is;

Phil Kessel + Crouse + Stralman + McCartney + Callahan(D) + Moser(D)
Avs 1st '21 + SJ 2nd '21 + Coyote 3rd 21 + Coyote 1st '23 + Montreal 2nd '24
+ Eckman Larsson retained cap hit(990,000)through 26/27

Matthews + Ritchie + Dermott + Leafs 2nd '24(conditional if the Leafs have the higher of the two picks then they keep theirs, if Mtl pick is higher then they take it and cede their pick to Ari.)

The Maple Leafs intake is 13,623,333 the out go is 15,640,250 there is a net gain of 2,016,917

Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Kerfoot - Nylander - Kessel( we're paying him anyway and he's still got a little in the tank if not Kase gets the 2nd line duties)
Engvall - Kampf - Kase
Crouse - Spezza - Simmonds


Brodie - Reilly
Muzzin - Stralman
Sandin - Liljegren

Crouse is a definite upgrade over Ritchie,

Stralman is a solid vet who's not prone to mistakes and is an upgrade over Derms

Nylander over the last season and now is playing with a new found maturity and may just be ready for a centre's role if not Kerfoot can do the job

The Leafs pick up 2 1st rnd picks a 2nd and a 3rd and the option on the 2nd in 2024

have at it
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This is terrible
 
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seanlinden said:
Who should be on the block? In order...
Dermott - With Sandin & Liljegren emerging who play a similar style, and Rielly locked up, there's really no space for him short term or long term.

Engvall - The Leafs do need to clear cap space, and he's a guy that is kind of just "there". If they're looking to make an improvement, he doesn't really have a spot.

Ritchie - Has been basically useless and is a pretty big waste of cap, but MAY be worth keeping around, as he could play a big role against certain types of teams.

Mikheyev - Tough to trade a guy that hasn't played this year, but again, cap could be a consideration.


My question is -- at what point does Leaf management decide that perhaps they do need some form of offence from more than their top 2 lines?

Loading up 1 unit against Montreal didn't work. It didn't really work against the Blue Jackets. They're guilty of doing it pretty frequently this year. You look at the most recent Boston series that they probably would have won had it not been for Kadri's BS... it was a relentless stream of highly talented lines, and they made themselves a matchup nightmare.

I believe that if the Leafs are going to go far, it needs to be driven by depth. Tavares with Marner. Matthews with a guy like Kase, Kerfoot with Nylander, 4th line can be Kampf & Simmonds. Don't be afraid to use your stars in tough situations. Every team you face in the playoffs is going to be able to shut down 1 unit -- that's ok. Nobody can shut down all 3. That being said, if you figure Bunting, Ritchie, Mikheyev, Spezza and Engvall at the left wingers, I think you probably are looking for an upgrade -- somebody who plays the game with a fair bit of grit.
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So we lost kadri and lost the series. We must not have had the line depth then either..
 
therealkoho said:
So here it is;

Phil Kessel + Crouse + Stralman + McCartney + Callahan(D) + Moser(D)
Avs 1st '21 + SJ 2nd '21 + Coyote 3rd 21 + Coyote 1st '23 + Montreal 2nd '24
+ Eckman Larsson retained cap hit(990,000)through 26/27

Matthews + Ritchie + Dermott + Leafs 2nd '24(conditional if the Leafs have the higher of the two picks then they keep theirs, if Mtl pick is higher then they take it and cede their pick to Ari.)

The Maple Leafs intake is 13,623,333 the out go is 15,640,250 there is a net gain of 2,016,917

Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Kerfoot - Nylander - Kessel( we're paying him anyway and he's still got a little in the tank if not Kase gets the 2nd line duties)
Engvall - Kampf - Kase
Crouse - Spezza - Simmonds


Brodie - Reilly
Muzzin - Stralman
Sandin - Liljegren

Crouse is a definite upgrade over Ritchie,

Stralman is a solid vet who's not prone to mistakes and is an upgrade over Derms

Nylander over the last season and now is playing with a new found maturity and may just be ready for a centre's role if not Kerfoot can do the job

The Leafs pick up 2 1st rnd picks a 2nd and a 3rd and the option on the 2nd in 2024

have at it
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Even with that lineup, I don't think we could catch Arizona, Ottawa, Montreal, Seattle, or Chicago.

And I don't think anyone since Brian Burke has failed to protect a lottery pick.
 
I'm a logistical person, and I value the logo on the front and not the name on the back! So I'm down with any player being dealt that makes this team better in both the short and long term

Right now? I'd be fine with moving one of Holl or Dermott, we need to be able to make room for Lilijgren to have a full time spot on this squad going forward.
 
Leafs87 said:
Mrazek. He seems like an obvious choice
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I would enjoy winning the division since playoff route in Atlantic is like the bus scene in Shang Chi if you finish second or third.

A big hurdle in winning the division is backups leaking points. 10-12-1 in 2018/2019. A lot of those games were winnable. Might as well enjoy having the luxury of a Mrazek for now (edit- I envision him being fine when he's back from injury, don't mean now as in now) until we absolutely need that cap space.
 
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Havoc said:
I would enjoy winning the division since playoff route in Atlantic is like the bus scene in Shang Chi if you finish second or third.

A big hurdle in winning the division is backups leaking points. 10-12-1 in 2018/2019. A lot of those games were winnable. Might as well enjoy having the luxury of a Mrazek for now (edit- I envision him being fine when he's back from injury, don't mean now as in now) until we absolutely need that cap space.
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He's making 3.8 million, he's NOT the backup, that was never the plan for him to play that role, injuries altered the course however. The plan was always to to a platoon style with the two goalies splitting games this season, and I have no doubts that's what will happen when he's 100% healthy.

This is a good thing actually, Mrazaek when healthy is a decent goalie, and we all know how good Soup is for this team... what's wrong with having two very capable goaltenders?
 
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Notsince67 said:
Well whatever you are doing, stop it. It is rude to stumble your way into an exchange between people and insist that they are not getting your obscure point that is unrelated.
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That's how Nylund rolls. Perhaps he could be traded from HF.
 
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I look into engvalls eyes on TV and I get a sense he knows his time is almost up. So he tries to do too much himself and try to prove otherwise but nothing happens.
 
Given our cap structure, any money like over $3M needs to be a bit of an x-factor in our line up. Kerfoot and Mrazek seem very replaceable parts.
 
keonsbitterness said:
Mrazek hasn't done much so far. Kerfoot's efficiency and versatility make him more difficult to replace.
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The way I look at it is...can I make a full 12 man line up without Kerfoot and not be particularly concerned? Yes, if healthy.

I like that he's there if Matthews or JT gets injured to play in top 6 centre role but that's about it...we really need to develop some centres.
 
Easily Ritchie and Mrazek

Together they make a significant % of our available cap that could be better spent elsewhere imo
 
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