If this season continues on this path do we go full rebuild in the offseason?
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WeDislikeEich
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No!! No more tear down rebuilds. They still haven’t dug out from their first one and that was over a decade ago now! They need to continue to learn how to win and more losing seasons rebuilding doesn’t do that. This is really only the second season they even had winning expectations. We are still relatively early in this newest rebuild.
This team doesn’t need a tear down. They just need to add a couple key veteran players. I think even one good top 6 veteran forward could make a big difference, if it’s the right guy. They need someone that can help these younger guys in those clutch moments.
Something like the ROR trade again would be perfect IMO.
At worst, maybe they need to switch out a core guy or two for more a veteran player (or two) that can be part of the core.
This team doesn’t need a tear down. They just need to add a couple key veteran players. I think even one good top 6 veteran forward could make a big difference, if it’s the right guy. They need someone that can help these younger guys in those clutch moments.
Something like the ROR trade again would be perfect IMO.
At worst, maybe they need to switch out a core guy or two for more a veteran player (or two) that can be part of the core.
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You can break the drought with this core - absolutely do not blow it up. This team is another Zucker signing and a notable trade to provide an improvement on Jokiharju's spot from being a good team.
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buffalowing88
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I don't see a 'Move Them Now' option. Tonight's win was nice but I think the mental block on this organization is past the point of return. Maybe if they wanted to try adding as many veteran guys as possible to complement the "core" that is redeemable (Dahlin, Quinn, Peterka, Powers) I could feel a little optimistic but Thompson, Tuch, and Cozens playing a leadership role in this locker room seems like a recipe for more mental midget outcomes.
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Jim Bob
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I'm pretty sure people said that when they tore down the previous core and traded away Eichel, Reinhart, and Risto...
People were over the moon when they traded Risto. Eichel and Reinhart more to your point. Although I think a lot of casual fans wanted to move on from both.
If they miss and don’t want to be here I’d think they shop Greenway and Tuch.
Greenway gives me contract year vibes tbh.
Greenway gives me contract year vibes tbh.
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He doesn't really give "contract year vibes" for me, as I think he's been a pretty consistent player since they got him. What worries me is his "effectiveness" and his legs if we decide to sign him longer term.
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I also lean towards no rebuild. If they miss the playoffs again, purge the front office and coaching staff. Lindy can stay on as head coach and act as the de facto President of Hockey Ops. Let him build a front office and a coaching staff. The front office has 2 directives: acquire a top 6 center and a top 4 defensive defenseman. Lindy has one directive: find someone who can fix the PP. Between those changes and another year of development for the kids, I think this team would be pretty good.
Taking out personal bias and trying to approach this from a analytical point of view, it would be one thing is if we had years of success and were transitioning and it didn't work.
But to sell off what limited top end talent we have would be almost franchise ending at this point. Keep Dahlin, Tage, Peterka, and Tuch. Find a good partner for Power. Then figure out the middle six. You almost have to go all in with what we have at this point because another rebuild would literally mean an empty building.
But to sell off what limited top end talent we have would be almost franchise ending at this point. Keep Dahlin, Tage, Peterka, and Tuch. Find a good partner for Power. Then figure out the middle six. You almost have to go all in with what we have at this point because another rebuild would literally mean an empty building.
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Just a reminder, that there's a pretty good chance that if we bring in a GM, that we might be headed to a rebuild anyways. It may just be as much of a reason as the players, while talented, may not fit what the new management team may have in their vision. They may have different ideas of what they want out of their players, and if there's one thing we know about this crop of players, they haven't shown that they can be used in any sort of game plan as a group.
There may be a rebuild, but the new GM might have pieces he can use in trades to reshape the team. It may not require a full tear down as we have seen in the past.
There may be a rebuild, but the new GM might have pieces he can use in trades to reshape the team. It may not require a full tear down as we have seen in the past.
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Why does inviting a new GM mean a rebuild? It doesn't always happen, there are even many examples. Moreover, Buffalo doesn't need a rebuild, we are doing well with the roster, although there are questions. We just need a more qualified and aggressive GM than Adams. Look at Florida and New Jersey as an example.
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Frankly, I'd keep Power too. He's showing signs that he's "getting it" as far as using his body. It's not consistent yet, but every game he does a few things with his body that he didn't do last year. Benson's on my "no way" list too.
I also really like what I see out of McLeod and would try to Jarnkrok him -- long term deal at a reasonable AAV for a defensively-responsible 3rd line C who's an ace PKer and isn't completely deficient offensively.
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I think the chance is minimal because we haven't been in the playoffs in a long time, we have the youngest team in the league, we don't need a rebuild and the GM doesn't make the rules, and I don't believe Terry wants a rebuild again.
At some point, a team has to try to no longer be the youngest, least experienced group in the league season-on-season. People still hate on Murray for his wheeling and dealing (and there are things to hate in how and who with those) yet the kernel of truth there was in finding players at or on the cusp of their peak who weren't just kids to acquire in trade. Junking this and trying to sell off yet again doesn't move the team closer to having that core group of 25-29 year olds that most good teams live and die with.
So no, I don't think full rebuild is in any way shape or form a viable offseason move.
So no, I don't think full rebuild is in any way shape or form a viable offseason move.
Jim Bob
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This x1000
If they change GMs, they have to bring in someone that has a plan to mature this roster as soon as possible and not tear everything down to the studs. Again.
Mattilaus
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Voted no. We need to add more good seasoned talent. We still have an absolute bevy of young players, prospects, and picks We could sell to get real good seasoned players. We have heard for 2 off seasons now that we have too many prospects and picks for us to even utilize properly and we sold exactly 1 prospect (and it has actually worked out well so far). Trading 1 prospect for a 3rd line C is not enough. I am not saying sell the entire farm, but you are telling me we can't get some good NHL quality help using any of ostlund, kulich, Quinn, helenius, rosen, our picks, etc.? I know people don't want to lose any of these guys but the alternative is what we are currently doing. Sell a couple of them.
Is KA the GM to do that? It does not look like it.
Is KA the GM to do that? It does not look like it.
The problem with selling prospects is that the bad teams are really stripped bare of mid level older players anyone would want.
The league went through a massive talent transfer 2015-2020 from bad teams to good teams.
Most of the bottom feeders are really young.
The league went through a massive talent transfer 2015-2020 from bad teams to good teams.
Most of the bottom feeders are really young.
Djp
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This idea is utterly dumb.
The time Sabres said rebuild was around summer 2031 when Reinhsrt, Risto, and later Eichel were traded
it takes time to develop nhl players
Thus team is very young.
The D/G based on draft year goes back to 2017 draft year who would be 25 at the start of this season.
Joker 25
UPL 25
Levi 22
Dahlin 24
Power 21
Byram 23
Samuelson 24
Bryson 25
The F have about half nee players in the bottom 6
Then they changed coaches.
The time Sabres said rebuild was around summer 2031 when Reinhsrt, Risto, and later Eichel were traded
it takes time to develop nhl players
Thus team is very young.
The D/G based on draft year goes back to 2017 draft year who would be 25 at the start of this season.
Joker 25
UPL 25
Levi 22
Dahlin 24
Power 21
Byram 23
Samuelson 24
Bryson 25
The F have about half nee players in the bottom 6
Then they changed coaches.
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