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If the Leafs were to trade anyone on the roster right now, who is on the block?

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Trading Kerfoot potentially causes too much of a shift in the player Seattle takes from the team in expansion. Vesey is easier to trade in that regard. However, as a pending UFA, his value is likely to be mainly to a contender. So...
 
Buds17 said:
Trading Kerfoot potentially causes too much of a shift in the player Seattle takes from the team in expansion. Vesey is easier to trade in that regard. As a pending UFA though, his value is likely to be mainly to a contender, so...
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I'm okay with exposing more players if it means improving the roster this year.

The opportunity to win in the playoffs against the other Canadian teams is the best it has been in forever. I would trade 1st round picks to improve the roster right now because I don't think the Leafs would have the opportunity like this in the future.

I would say that Kerfoot, 1st round picks and Vesey would all be on the table.
 
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showtime8 said:
I'm okay with exposing more players if it means improving the roster this year.

The opportunity to win in the playoffs against the other Canadian teams is the best it has been in forever. I would trade 1st round picks to improve the roster right now because I don't think the Leafs would have the opportunity like this in the future.

I would say that Kerfoot, 1st round picks and Vesey would all be on the table.
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The other side of that coin is that our cup window should be open for the next decade so trading away futures to increase our short term chances is short sighted. The chances of winning in any given year (including this one) is slim so ... I would trade the future for the present only if our cup window were closing which it most definitely is not.
 
showtime8 said:
I'm okay with exposing more players if it means improving the roster this year.

The opportunity to win in the playoffs against the other Canadian teams is the best it has been in forever. I would trade 1st round picks to improve the roster right now because I don't think the Leafs would have the opportunity like this in the future.

I would say that Kerfoot, 1st round picks and Vesey would all be on the table.
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Relative to the level of improvement, I'd be fine with that as well. I'd guess the 1st to have the most value out of that lot. Kerfoot's trade value would probably vary depending upon a team's ability to protect him in the ED.
 
I really thought that Nylander would be on the block during the season, but I think it's too hard of a trade to make this year.
 
I don’t think trades are projected by anyone but Management. We just don’t know anything. The trade market is to fluid. All you can do is guess. I’m not very in to guessing. You can question how they are going to manage the cap and set up scenarios is all.

Kerfoot is the medium cap hit Dubas seems to target. High possibility.

Andersen will be evaluated based on success this year for re-signing. The more success the higher the money he will request. Comparable: Markstrom @$6,000,000. High probability of re-signing @ Markstrom money.

Hyman likelyhood is Zero of being moved. I think he will get in to the $3,750,000 - $4,000,000 range. Guess $3,800,000@5yesrs ish.

They expansion draft is a nightmare. Trading assets to protect asset retention is possible. Maybe a solid Scoring winger that will be a UFA and picks/prospects combo coming in involving Dermott at the deadline.

My best guess is Kerfoot and Dermott are high probability of being moved.
 
Have to take into account their needs to be players exposed for the expansion draft. They can re-sign a forward or two to expose if need be though.

The most available players on the roster for trade would be 1. Pierre Engvall, 2. Jimmy Vesey and 3. Ilya Mikheyev.

Engvall is useless and has another year. Vesey isn't an important member of the roster. Mikheyev has to recover from a wrist injury that is hampering the team's secondary production and he has another year. Mikheyev in particular may bring back a decent return if moved because of his upside and versatility as well as his expansion exemption.
 
Nylander is core 4 life. There is zero chance dubas trades him.
I guess Dermott is the likeliest of established players. I imagine that any prospects are fair game as well if the price is right.
 
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vesey doesn't have trade value.

kerfoot has value, but then we don't have a #3C, so that's probably a bad idea.

Tbh, where we can trade from a position of depth is from our defense.


In general, I'd be looking at Muzzin-style trade packages - 1st round pick, + B prospect, +B prospect/pick.
 
If nylander keeps it up, or if the leafs lose first round of the playoffs, I think hes gone in the offseason. I personally would have traded him over this past offseason as I think this core has had more than enough chances to show what theyve got. All comes down to the playoffs this year.
 
  • Kerfoot - Decent player, not the 3C we need going into the playoffs. Would like to have a bigger, more defensively responsible C with more bite in that role.
  • Vesey - Does nothing for me, I would take a pick, or another bottom 6er who needs a change of scenery.
  • Engvall - Decent bottom 6 guy imo, ideal trade candidate due to his cap hit. Ideally we bring in some more physicality in the bottom 6.
  • Dermott - I think he's been very solid this season. We'd have to really bring in an upgrade in the top 9 to move him, having Sandin helps.
  • Lehtonen - I could see him being traded to another big market team that needs help on the PP.
Targets:
  • Brendan Lemieux
  • Lawson Crouse
  • Jordan Greenway
  • Miles Wood
  • Rikard Rakell
  • Ryan Hartman
  • Austin Watson
  • Sam Bennett
  • Jake Virtanen
  • Zack MacEwen
  • JT Miller
 
zeke said:
vesey doesn't have trade value.

kerfoot has value, but then we don't have a #3C, so that's probably a bad idea.

Tbh, where we can trade from a position of depth is from our defense.

In general, I'd be looking at Muzzin-style trade packages - 1st round pick, + B prospect, +B prospect/pick.
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But then aren't we in a position where we're going to lose a much better player in the expansion draft then we otherwise would? That's a cost that has to be factored in to what we give up in a trade unless I'm missing something, it seems like a lot.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
The other side of that coin is that our cup window should be open for the next decade so trading away futures to increase our short term chances is short sighted. The chances of winning in any given year (including this one) is slim so ... I would trade the future for the present only if our cup window were closing which it most definitely is not.
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Yes, there is an element of continuing to build your franchise and that trading away for current roster players could be deemed as short sighted. But at what other point in the last 5 years have you thought the Leafs could actually make an impact in the playoffs?

For years, they have been behind Tampa and Boston and we knew it would be a challenge every year to get into that position to beat them in a 7 game series. Now they find themselves in a spot where their biggest stumbling block in the first two rounds is going to be Montreal, Winnipeg and Calgary. At this point, Montreal v Toronto would be a coin flip. They took Toronto to overtime in game 1 and beat them in game 3 and Montreal showed how to beat the Leafs team. Basically hit everything in sight and then hope that you get a couple momentum plays that go in. I still believe Toronto is a better team, but if you add to it, they get much better. And for Winnipeg, I don't think the Jets have the depth on defense to make a run.

I'm not saying unload the farm for this one off-season, but there comes a time where you get an opportunity and I would say this is the best time to do it.
 
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Cory Kennedy said:
My personal opinions:

Kerfoot: Simply because he's a good player with some trade value but doesn't offer much for the roster right now.

Vesey: Simply because he's more of a grinder player and doesn't really do much for us.

Who do you guys think?
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Any depth player and any draft pick that brings a key upgrade or two. I'd like to see another player or two in the Simmons/Hyman type mold.

That to me is still where they are light. This is not the year to worry about hurt feelings or politics, this playoff structure won't ever be available again.

Get what is needed, if possible, and let Keefe find their spot.
 
Gary Nylund said:
But then aren't we in a position where we're going to lose a much better player in the expansion draft then we otherwise would? That's a cost that has to be factored in to what we give up in a trade unless I'm missing something, it seems like a lot.
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What would be more important to you - losing in the Conference Finals or losing a better player in expansion draft?

I'm not saying the Leafs will get to the Conference Finals or even get out of the first round. But I've seen this story play a lot over the last 4 years. Potential to win. Lose to xxx in 1st round and then think about all the players that could help the Leafs in the off-season. It's a revolving door of hope.
 
showtime8 said:
Yes, there is an element of continuing to build your franchise and that trading away for current roster players could be deemed as short sighted. But at what other point in the last 5 years have you thought the Leafs could actually make an impact in the playoffs?

For years, they have been behind Tampa and Boston and we knew it would be a challenge every year to get into that position to beat them in a 7 game series. Now they find themselves in a spot where their biggest stumbling block in the first two rounds is going to be Montreal, Winnipeg and Calgary. At this point, Montreal v Toronto would be a coin flip. They took Toronto to overtime in game 1 and beat them in game 3 and Montreal showed how to beat the Leafs team. Basically hit everything in sight and then hope that you get a couple momentum plays that go in. I still believe Toronto is a better team, but if you add to it, they get much better. And for Winnipeg, I don't think the Jets have the depth on defense to make a run.

I'm not saying unload the farm for this one off-season, but there comes a time where you get an opportunity and I would say this is the best time to do it.
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I get it, we have a great opportunity this season. Thing is though, it just means that instead of having say a 10% chance or whatever of winning it all, we have maybe a 12% chance. Is that improvement worth trading away futures when we should be contending for the next decade?

I don't think it is which is why I say trade the future for the present only when our cup window is closing.
 
showtime8 said:
What would be more important to you - losing in the Conference Finals or losing a better player in expansion draft?

I'm not saying the Leafs will get to the Conference Finals or even get out of the first round. But I've seen this story play a lot over the last 4 years. Potential to win. Lose to xxx in 1st round and then think about all the players that could help the Leafs in the off-season. It's a revolving door of hope.
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I want to win as many cups as possible with this core, that's the only priority.

And ... think about all the assets we'd have now if we hadn't kept our "own rentals" JVR, Bozak, Komarov and trade picks for short rentals like we did.
 
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