notDatsyuk
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The glass is full - half liquid, half air.The glass is half full… not half empty.
The Leafs are closer to top 5 than missing the playoffs.
The glass is full - half liquid, half air.The glass is half full… not half empty.
The Leafs are closer to top 5 than missing the playoffs.
They might. Or they might move the team to Hamilton. Neither is particularly likely, but can't be ruled out completely just because nobody has said anything yet.By that logic they may be trading the whole team since they haven't announced they aren't.
Yes they are or they aren’t but because they haven’t said they aren’t we’ll assume they are.They might. Or they might move the team to Hamilton. Neither is particularly likely, but can't be ruled out completely just because nobody has said anything yet.
We have not been told by any reputable source that the Leafs don’t want to move him. We have not been told by any reputable source that he has or hasn't been asked. We have not been told by any reputable source that he is or isn't holding up a move.
All we know for certain is that he hasn't been traded. Actually, all we know for certain is that no reputable source has told us that he has been traded. He may have been traded and all the principles have agreed to not announce it until after the Olympics.
Multiple reports from who?
And even that is only about asking him to waive. Anything about the Leafs not wanting to move him (beyond the coach making nice noises), or about Marner holding up a move? Lots of speculation, no facts.
I didn't say anything about him being traded after the Olympics. (I won't pull the annoying stunt of some posters by saying "go back and read it.") I said "(h)e may have been traded and all the principles have agreed to not announce it until after the Olympics."
I'm not assuming anything. I actually agreed with you that we should not assume anything either way.Yes they are or they aren’t but because they haven’t said they aren’t we’ll assume they are.![]()
Yes, that's right. Two reporters have said that Marner hasn't been asked, and that the Leafs haven't made a deal. Logically, you would think they wouldn't ask him to waive until they had at least a tentative deal that they thought he might be willing to waive for.Steve Simmons on July 7th wrote about the leafs not having asked Marner yet.
July 13th Terry Koshan wrote another article mentioning no traction on a Marner deal and word coming out of Marner’s camp is he will be at the leafs training camp in September as expected by the team.
Both Terry Koshans and Steve Simmons wrote articles back to back weekends. Steve Simmons 7th I believe and Terry Koshans July 13th. Both reported the leafs did not approach Marner for a trade and Koshans even reported that after the draft,
Yes, that's right. Two reporters have said that Marner hasn't been asked, and that the Leafs haven't made a deal. Logically, you would think they wouldn't ask him to waive until they had at least a tentative deal that they thought he might be willing to waive for.
But none of that proves that the Leafs don't want to move him, just that they haven't made any progress (that they told the reporters about).
Likewise, Marner's camp saying he expects to be at the Leafs' training camp is not the same as saying he is blocking a trade.
I'm not sure why the difference is hard to grasp.
That’s pretty much the hole they’ve dug.Marners contract is easy to estimate
1) More than Nylander
2) Less then Matthews
3) in that range….. Ferris demands it be closer to matthews with pure Signing Bonuses.
Does TO want that?
That’s top heavy again
You could very well be right…………..A Marner deal is likely 12-12.5, especially if we want 8 years. Whether it should be is not what I’m saying, but it will be
Agreed this is a good regular reason teamThe glass is half full… not half empty.
The Leafs are closer to top 5 than missing the playoffs.
If Marner is no longer a Leaf in the future the Matthews and Nylander contracts no longer apply on the internal pay scale. Another Team and another internal pay structure and MM next contract applies to how it fits and how much it is worth to his next team.Marners contract is easy to estimate
1) More than Nylander
2) Less then Matthews
3) in that range….. Ferris demands it be closer to matthews with pure Signing Bonuses.
Does TO want that?
That’s top heavy again
This. 100%. Strategic bet.They will keep both until they run out of money to do so. They have a plan.
taveras will slowly skate around and do whatTavares is probably staying
Marners contract is easy to estimate
1) More than Nylander
2) Less then Matthews
3) in that range….. Ferris demands it be closer to matthews with pure Signing Bonuses.
Does TO want that?
That’s top heavy again
This may be so but going 8 will be a Disaster from a team success standpoint. We have seen nothing so far that he is a winner when everything is on the line .If Marner extends in Toronto I'd imagine it will be roughly 12.5x8
Which gives him the Matthews raise, puts him above Nylander and his camp can then point to the term as being symbolically being committed to the team/city.
I think going less than 8 years will be a PR disaster which the players camp will opt to avoid
I never said he was getting traded. Actually, I would prefer he not be traded, but that is irrelevant to the conversation.Oh get over it, everyone knows now he ain’t getting traded. Admirable you’re still holding onto hope. But a Marner type deal doesn’t happen now. Only way it happens is if the leafs are out of a playoff spot by trade deadline.
As many in the thread said. It’s more likely he’s resigned or walked to UFA than he is traded. Leafs management is running it back.
And the first step to getting out of a hole is to stop making it deeper.That’s pretty much the hole they’ve dug.
Marners contract is easy to estimate
1) More than Nylander
2) Less then Matthews
3) in that range….. Ferris demands it be closer to matthews with pure Signing Bonuses.
Does TO want that?
That’s top heavy again
That’s if you want to get out the hole.I never said he was getting traded. Actually, I would prefer he not be traded, but that is irrelevant to the conversation.
All I have said is that we know it hasn't been announced that he's been traded.
We don't know that he will or will not be traded, or even that he has been (unlikely, but possible).
By he way, I think the statements "everyone knows now he ain’t getting traded" and "(o)nly way it happens is if the leafs are out of a playoff spot by trade deadline" are contradictory. And in both cases you are stating as fact an opinion.
And the first step to getting out of a hole is to stop making it deeper.
Holy f*** I’ve seen you say this over and over again acting like it’s a matter of fact.
Firstly, NMC’s ARE MOVEABLE, they get moved.
They give players securities but if the situation is ass which it is in this scenario, the player won’t want to stick around.
Whether he gives a 1 team list or 5, Marner might not want to stick around if we suck by tdl
Secondly, if you read what I said, “CONVINCE MARNER TO BE DEALT”
, I never said anywhere that we can outright deal him
, but like I said again, if we are somehow out of the playoff picture, why wouldn’t we at least approach and ask him where he’d be fine going.
Read the post then reply, not the other way around
Wtf does it even matter. If you care about how they dress that just shows you as an insecure person imo.
It shouldn’t matter how an athlete dresses, if they like to dance, if they like to play video games, if they have fake teeth, if they are married, if they love models. None of that should honestly matter. What matters is what do they do on the ice plain and simple. Everything else who the fck cares. It’s an outfit.
Then he can say that all he wants, but we can try to ask and convince him. Like f*** dude, I literally said “I’d look to see if we could convince Marner to be dealt AND THEN deal Marner@50”. If you can read properly, ask first then deal, if he says no he says no boohoo move on. I didn’t think I needed to specify that.Um, it is a matter of fact. They have no movement clauses. That cannot be disputed.
Only if the player agrees, and MM has said he is staying.
You have no idea what a player will or will not want to do so your argument is baseless.
Or he might.
He has said he is staying.
You have argued from the assumption that he will agree. That assumption is baseless.
They can ask all they want, and he can tell them to go f**k themselves each and every time.
Grab a clue then post, not the other way around.
Huh?
It could easily speak to their personality, one which is not conducive to winning.
4 more years of 3 playoff wins secured.For what it’s worth:
13.25M Matthews
12.25M Marner
11.50M Nylander
40% of a presumed 92M cap next year