Speculation: IF the Leafs don’t look legit

[Nineteen67]

JT is still a quality player, just not worth 11 million but for 5 we got to extend him

He works hard and is a model citizen, but if he was traded at the TDL I don’t think there’s any chance he’d return, regardless of his experience with his new team.

 

[ULF_55]

If Marner is still in the team by game 1, I'd say the odds of him being traded are close to zero. It will then either be a massive extension or he walks as an own rental. Between those two options I have no idea at this point which is more likely to occur

Not sure which way is the better option, just know that if I have another 20 years to watch I will regardless of what happens to the temps.

 

[REALTALK81]

Can't wait for Marner's usual slow start. All the detractors will see it as confirmation that he needs to go. When he heats up in November it will mean nothing because it's not playoffs. He would literally need to dominate every game in those playoffs for the nay sayers to back off even though he has more playoff points than any of the core 4 while also receiving Selke nominations. To boot, he will be making the least out of the core 4 at that point. I wouldn't be mad if he walked out as an FA given the ridiculous nature of some of our fandom. It's the same type of fandom that drove Larry Murphy out. If I were the Leaf brass, I would extend him and ask Tavares to take a significant pay cut next year. If he wants to stay.

 

[Fogelhund]

Pretty clear there hasn't been any deals that make us better out there. We could have made a deal and lost it badly.

I am saying I would be open to making a bad trade in season to get something for them. Maybe could get a 1st, 2nd, 3rd from a mid team and get 12th OA or something and replenish the cupboard and retool in UFA

I'm not sure it is clear that there hasn't been any deals out there.... I just don't think they are pursuing it very hard, if at all.. Berube wants a chance to coach this group.

 

[HolyCrap]

Can't wait for Marner's usual slow start. All the detractors will see it as confirmation that he needs to go. When he heats up in November it will mean nothing because it's not playoffs. He would literally need to dominate every game in those playoffs for the nay sayers to back off even though he has more playoff points than any of the core 4 while also receiving Selke nominations. To boot, he will be making the least out of the core 4 at that point. I wouldn't be mad if he walked out as an FA given the ridiculous nature of some of our fandom. It's the same type of fandom that drove Larry Murphy out. If I were the Leaf brass, I would extend him and ask Tavares to take a significant pay cut next year. If he wants to stay.

 

[francis246]

Considering they both have NMC's, it's a rather silly question. I think if they were gonna trade Marner, it would have happened after this season.

Right now I think both of these players end up playing out their contracts and its off to free agency.

Exactly, I don’t understand how people have not completely clued into this by now. If the leafs truly wanted Marner gone, he would have been gone. They have no interest in trading Marner at this point.

People keep saying other teams don’t want Marner, tons of teams want Marner. The leafs just aren’t at a point where they want to trade him. They aren’t even actively shopping him and that should be evidence enough. It’s clear that Shanahan believes in this core and it’s the hill he is going to die on. The are getting one last crack this up coming season. It’s also pretty clear they gave Berube a lot of say in this decision.

 

[Nineteen67]

Can't wait for Marner's usual slow start. All the detractors will see it as confirmation that he needs to go. When he heats up in November it will mean nothing because it's not playoffs. He would literally need to dominate every game in those playoffs for the nay sayers to back off even though he has more playoff points than any of the core 4 while also receiving Selke nominations. To boot, he will be making the least out of the core 4 at that point. I wouldn't be mad if he walked out as an FA given the ridiculous nature of some of our fandom. It's the same type of fandom that drove Larry Murphy out. If I were the Leaf brass, I would extend him and ask Tavares to take a significant pay cut next year. If he wants to stay.

How do rate Marner’s playoff performance the past 2 yrs?

 

[ULF_55]

Can't wait for Marner's usual slow start. All the detractors will see it as confirmation that he needs to go. When he heats up in November it will mean nothing because it's not playoffs. He would literally need to dominate every game in those playoffs for the nay sayers to back off even though he has more playoff points than any of the core 4 while also receiving Selke nominations. To boot, he will be making the least out of the core 4 at that point. I wouldn't be mad if he walked out as an FA given the ridiculous nature of some of our fandom. It's the same type of fandom that drove Larry Murphy out. If I were the Leaf brass, I would extend him and ask Tavares to take a significant pay cut next year. If he wants to stay.

Murphy was run out of town by Murphy.

Mike just made it difficult on Larry by playing him in every role.

He was not a shutdown defender, and yet he'd be out there trying to hold a lead.

Coaching ... Leafs are due for another good one.

 

[Jojalu]

If Tavares hasn’t had it with the team he’s had with his family and agent and I suspect he’s wants to be moved to a contender at the TDL.

I don’t know if Marner prioritizes contending this season and his ideal scenario to maximize his next contract would be to get 100 points and have the team miss the playoffs.

Management sees an opportunity to add a couple of new players, get a little bump, and sell some jerseys.

I am not sure how it ideal for Marner to miss the playoffs.

Ideally if he wanted to maximize he would light itvup in the playoffs.

 

[Niagara Bill]

If it were possible I would just cut both and spend the 22m wisely

 

[Nineteen67]

I am not sure how it ideal for Marner to miss the playoffs.

Ideally if he wanted to maximize he would light itvup in the playoffs.

That would either require a whole new set of skills he has yet to show he has or some easy playoff opponents.

 

[ULF_55]

What if Columbus is the real Alex?
What if Grebyonkin can make the transition?
What if Cowan is the real deal?
What if DEL Defenseman of the Year 2023-2024 is legit?

 

[Racer88]

Exactly, I don’t understand how people have not completely clued into this by now. If the leafs truly wanted Marner gone, he would have been gone. They have no interest in trading Marner at this point.

People keep saying other teams don’t want Marner, tons of teams want Marner. The leafs just aren’t at a point where they want to trade him. They aren’t even actively shopping him and that should be evidence enough. It’s clear that Shanahan believes in this core and it’s the hill he is going to die on. The are getting one last crack this up coming season. It’s also pretty clear they gave Berube a lot of say in this decision.

Sad times ahead. Another wasted year with this core……only even more expensive.

 

[ULF_55]

Sad times ahead. Another wasted year with this core……only even more expensive.

If they only knew for sure they were as long term bad as the Jays.

Decisions would be easy.

Trade everyone except a couple of stars for mediocre prospects.

 

[Racer88]

If they only knew for sure they were as long term bad as the Jays.

Decisions would be easy.

Trade everyone except a couple of stars for mediocre prospects.

Pretty much anyone that has watched this group flounder in the playoffs the last 8 years knows they are as bad as the jays

 

[ULF_55]

Pretty much anyone that has watched this group flounder in the playoffs the last 8 years knows they are as bad as the jays

Only the results.

Leafs have the mirage of expectations.

Jays stink from the get go.

 

[REALTALK81]

How do rate Marner’s playoff performance the past 2 yrs?

The question you should really be asking yourself is how do you rate the Leafs playoff performance since the core 4 started? You don't start by getting rid of the player with the most points in the playoffs who actually plays PK. How do the others get a pass when they can't make claim to the same yet will be making more next year?

 

[REALTALK81]

Murphy was run out of town by Murphy.

Mike just made it difficult on Larry by playing him in every role.

He was not a shutdown defender, and yet he'd be out there trying to hold a lead.

Coaching ... Leafs are due for another good one.

 

[ULF_55]

The question you should really be asking yourself is how do you rate the Leafs playoff performance since the core 4 started? You don't start by getting rid of the player with the most points in the playoffs who actually plays PK. How do the others get a pass when they can't make claim to the same yet will be making more next year?

Likeability factor comes into play.

 

[ULF_55]

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Yeah, with better coaching he would have worked out in Toronto.

Still waiting for those future considerations ...

This would be the same for the people who want marner traded for Cap Space.

 

[REALTALK81]

Likeability factor comes into play.

Unfortunately Stanley Cups aren't won on likeability.

 

[ULF_55]

Unfortunately Stanley Cups aren't won on likeability.

In Toronto they aren't won in expansion either.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

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What if Columbus is the real Alex?
What if Grebyonkin can make the transition?
What if Cowan is the real deal?
What if DEL Defenseman of the Year 2023-2024 is legit?

I thought that was some strange image of ectoplasm.

 

[myleafs]

Can't wait for Marner's usual slow start. All the detractors will see it as confirmation that he needs to go. When he heats up in November it will mean nothing because it's not playoffs. He would literally need to dominate every game in those playoffs for the nay sayers to back off even though he has more playoff points than any of the core 4 while also receiving Selke nominations. To boot, he will be making the least out of the core 4 at that point. I wouldn't be mad if he walked out as an FA given the ridiculous nature of some of our fandom. It's the same type of fandom that drove Larry Murphy out. If I were the Leaf brass, I would extend him and ask Tavares to take a significant pay cut next year. If he wants to stay.

So, run it back again x many more years?...I just threw up in my mouth a little.

 

[Racer88]

Only the results.

Leafs have the mirage of expectations.

Jays stink from the get go.

Ya that’s true. It’s painful to watch a jays game