If the Habs' had won the 2021 Cup, who would deserve a jersey retirement?

[vokiel]

Mr. Other.. no one better imho

 

[Mrb1p]

@Mrb1p @Kriss E does this make sense?

No lol.

I mean Im not a cervical surgeon or anything but that seems like a massive stretch.

Its a lot more likely to be the neck injury he suffered in march 2016. But Im no conspiracy theorist, lol.

 

[HuGort]

Please justify your choice.

I'm voting for Price, with an outside chance that Suzuki would end up warranting a jersey retirement in twenty years.

Weber? He logged ton of minutes

 

[Chili]

When the NHL made up their list of the 100 greatest players in the league's history in 2017, these are the former Habs who made the list:

Hall of Famer​	#​	# retired?​
Jean Béliveau​	4​	yes​
Toe Blake​	6​	no​
Chris Chelios​	24​	no​
Yvan Cournoyer​	12​	yes​
Ken Dryden​	29​	yes​
Bill Durnan​	1​	no​
Tony Esposito​	1​	no​
Bob Gainey​	23​	yes​
Doug Harvey​	2​	yes​
Elmer Lach​	16​	yes​
Guy Lafleur​	10​	yes​
Jacques Lemaire​	25​	no​
Frank Mahovlich​	27​	no​
Dickie Moore​	12​	yes​
Howie Morenz​	7​	yes​
Jacques Plante​	1​	yes​
Henri Richard​	16​	yes​
Maurice Richard​	9​	yes​
Larry Robinson​	19​	yes​
Patrick Roy​	33​	yes​
Serge Savard​	18​	yes​
Georges Vézina​	1​	no​

The other numbers retired were 3 (Butch Bouchard) and 5 (Boom Boom Geoffrion & Guy Lapointe)

Four guys on the 100 greatest players list above who spent their entire career with the Habs but have not had their #'s retired: Toe Blake, Bill Durnan, Jacques Lemaire & Georges Vézina

 

[Habs]

Neither, they retire jerseys way to easy. If I was a legend, I wouldn't want my number retired, I would want to see it out on the ice, I think its silly.

 

[Nicko999]

Why din't he win a norris then? or even get nominated once?

and why they din't even give him the respect to complete his 1000 games playing career?

Are you just a hater? Subban was 1 notch above markov at any given point, he could make his own plays, pass the puck and score his own goals and defensively he was effective at defending, keeping the crease clear and throw hard hits.

Prime Markov lasted maybe 2-3 years, Prime Subban lastest for 6-7 years (including his time with Nash)

So much wrong in this post I don't even know where to start.

Subban won the Norris in a shortened season. Credit where it's due, he won fair and square. However, it was helped by having Markov on the team. Not sure if they were playing on 1 pair yet but definitely PK shared the hardest match-ups with the General. And Subban can thank Markov for that Norris as #79 was running the show on the PP.

Markov never won a Norris because he played in a era Niklas Lidstrom played. Kind of like the Selke, no matter how good you were, he was going to win pretty much automatically.
Also Markov had MUCH worst teams than Subban ever had. Stats are there to back it up, the team was pacing for 100+ pts with Markov in the lineup while being a lottery team without him.

As for why the team did not let him complete his 1000th, you would have to ask the Bozo who was in charge. The team has never made the playoffs again in a normal year without Markov.

If you think Subban was a notch above Markov, then I really question your understanding of hockey. Simply because was more spectacular doesn't make him better.

08-09 Markov was better than 12-13 Subban... simple as that.

 

[26Mats]

Price for sure.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I'll push this even further: if TBay doesn't get lucky cap wise, there's no way they can ice a third line of Coleman - Gourde - Goodrow and therefore can't beat us like they did with overloading our third line. Their cap structure was absurd, while legal.

It is kind of bs but we were never getting past that insane D corps. Dynasty level

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Maybe prior to the injury but Weber was much better against Vegas and Tampa and overall was the leader and set the identity of our defence. Petry made a gutsy return but was not very good from that point on. Weber was a beast from start to finish and broke the will of our opponents in the first 3 series along with Edmundson and Chiarot.

And he did it while his career was pretty much over.

Best captain we had since 93 I’d argue. And he gets almost zero appreciation on this board mostly due the trade. It’s pathetic and one of the biggest blights on our fandom.

Put up great numbers and made every partner he had look twice as good as they were. Easily the most underrated Hab of the last 20 or so years with the Dangerfield treatment he gets

 

[Bombshell11]

No lol.

I mean Im not a cervical surgeon or anything but that seems like a massive stretch.

Its a lot more likely to be the neck injury he suffered in march 2016. But Im no conspiracy theorist, lol.

So you think that tremendous neck and back contraption in such a short period of time did not weaken his neck over time?



Look how he gets hurt here... you don't need to be a doctor to link these 2 together

 

[GordonGraham]

No one should have been in the poll

 

[Mrb1p]

Price will and should get his number retired
Hes one of the goat players

 

[Schooner Guy]

The answer to this one is so obvious that I can't help but wonder if it's a trick question. Price.

 

[MXD]

Price. Who may be getting it retired anyways.
If Weber had played his whole career in Montreal (and perfomed the exact same), or if the Weber/Subban trade didn't happen AND we still win the Cup (and let's assume Subban is better in 2021 than what he was by then for the sakes of actually winning the Cup), then Price + Weber (or Subban) in that hypothetical scenario.

 

[Michelangelo]

I wouldn't have any retired jersey other than #9, #4 and maybe #10

 

[DAChampion]

Price will and should get his number retired
Hes one of the goat players

Numbers are retired for marketing reasons so I'm not sure if they'll retire Price's number.

 

[themilosh]

The answer to this one is so obvious that I can't help but wonder if it's a trick question. Price.

Im all for players retiring their number, and getting a banner at the rink.. but enough with this no other player can wear that number.. i want to see the team use those nice numbers from 1-21, old school.

Would love to see CC wear #9.. Slaf #10, Guhle #4, as a way to honour them.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I wouldn't have any retired jersey other than #9, #4 and maybe #10

I don't know.

#2 won 7 Norries trophies (that's generational) and revolutionized the D position in terms of contributing to a team's offense.

#19 was probably the Habs most valuable player from the mid-late 70s to the mid-late 80s. He was so freaking good and meant so much to the team's success. Best +/- of all time and it's not even close. I know that isn't always a telling stat and it's often reflective of a team's strength but his was so much better than everyone else's including other superstar players who played their careers on strong teams. Big Bird did everything and kept opposing players honest.

 

[David Suzuki]

Very interesting thread, some people really make me wonder what they're thinking lol. I said both because I'd retire all their numbers if they somehow won lol. That said,

Price will have his number retired eventually unless he pissed Molson off somehow. Face of the franchise for 20 years who also happened to be the best player in the league for a period of that.

 

[Toene]

Maybe prior to the injury but Weber was much better against Vegas and Tampa and overall was the leader and set the identity of our defence. Petry made a gutsy return but was not very good from that point on. Weber was a beast from start to finish and broke the will of our opponents in the first 3 series along with Edmundson and Chiarot.

Fair enough

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Price warrants jersey retirement with or without the cup. I hope he gets it.

No one else qualifies. At least not yet.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

So much wrong in this post I don't even know where to start.

Subban won the Norris in a shortened season. Credit where it's due, he won fair and square. However, it was helped by having Markov on the team. Not sure if they were playing on 1 pair yet but definitely PK shared the hardest match-ups with the General. And Subban can thank Markov for that Norris as #79 was running the show on the PP.

Markov never won a Norris because he played in a era Niklas Lidstrom played. Kind of like the Selke, no matter how good you were, he was going to win pretty much automatically.
Also Markov had MUCH worst teams than Subban ever had. Stats are there to back it up, the team was pacing for 100+ pts with Markov in the lineup while being a lottery team without him.

As for why the team did not let him complete his 1000th, you would have to ask the Bozo who was in charge. The team has never made the playoffs again in a normal year without Markov.

If you think Subban was a notch above Markov, then I really question your understanding of hockey. Simply because was more spectacular doesn't make him better.

08-09 Markov was better than 12-13 Subban... simple as that.

Subban was flat out better. Period full stop. And he was infinitely better in the playoffs.

Subban was at minimum a top three blueliner in the league for a few seasons. Markov never reached those heights. He was a top ten guy and postseason was nowhere close to what Subban was.

Subban was a legit HOF talent. He was blue chip earmarked for the HOF before he ran into injuries at a young age. That’s the only thing that stopped him. Markov belongs in the Hall of the Very Good.

Neither are going to the HOF and neither should get retired. It’s just a shame Subban was traded and got hurt because he was well on his way to the HOF.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I wouldn't have any retired jersey other than #9, #4 and maybe #10

Doug Harvey’s as good as any player we ever had. You could make a strong argument that he’s the best player to ever Don the sweater. Phenomenal hockey player. They basically created the Norris for him.

Morenz was the greatest player ever when he passed. Dryden, Robinson - absolutely no way those kinds of players shouldn’t be retired.

As for Price, he was briefly the best player in the league. If not for health and bad teams, he’d have been even better. And he was consistently great in the postseason to boot. The ONLY reason to exclude him would be the lack of a cup. He’s a HOFer who was among the best talents in the league and he spent his entire career here. And he brought an incredibly weak team all the way to the finals. To me, that qualifies for retirement.

 

[HuGort]

I voted Weber because of that meeting before Game 5 in Toronto. It turned the series around. Leafs series was arguably biggest series win in Habs history.

 

[Nicko999]

Subban was flat out better. Period full stop. And he was infinitely better in the playoffs.

Subban was at minimum a top three blueliner in the league for a few seasons. Markov never reached those heights. He was a top ten guy and postseason was nowhere close to what Subban was.

Subban was a legit HOF talent. He was blue chip earmarked for the HOF before he ran into injuries at a young age. That’s the only thing that stopped him. Markov belongs in the Hall of the Very Good.

Neither are going to the HOF and neither should get retired. It’s just a shame Subban was traded and got hurt because he was well on his way to the HOF.

Absolutely wrong. Even in his Norris season, Markov played more than Subban.

572 pts (0.58 PPG) vs 467 pts (0.56 PPG). Played longer at a higher level. Enough said.
And that is despite Subban playing with Markov for a big chunk of his career (then with the likes of Josi and Ekholm) while Markov made Mike freaking Komisarek an all star. Those early 00's teams were an abomination.