If Marc Bergevin is fired, who do you want for next Habs GM ?

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Nico Cauzuki

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my top 3 candidates

1- Julien Brisebois

why would he leave tampa they have the best team theres no winter no taxes bla bla bla i dont care hes from here not tampa bay he grew up watching the habs not the lighting bring him back home oh and WE gaved him hes first shot not tampa

2- Joel Bouchard

3- Mark Hunter
 

26Mats

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:laugh::laugh::laugh:

If MB is fired this summer ... sure, if pigs start flying this summer
 

WG

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Voted other, my choice would be Vincent Damphousse.
Serious question. Why? What has Vinny Damphousse done that would suggest he'd be a successful GM? I have heard his name for years as a possible candidate but I don't get it. He's a former Hab and he's on TV, I don't see how that makes him a GM.

I don't really want Brodeur either but at least he's working in an NHL front office.

Genuinely curious.
 

dcyhabs

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Limiting the GM role to ex-players just shrinks the pool and trends toward uneducated and egotistical. Bowman was injured playing minor league hockey and redirected. Take a student of the game who played at low levels and learned.
 

Habs Halifax

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I liked Damphousse as a player and he’s better than most of the other media guys, but what has he done to prepare for a GM role?

Agreed. Hiring Damphousse as a GM is an extreme example of someone learning on he job which is not what we need if Bergevin is gone. Some fans want Bergevin gone so badly that they are willing to go down the road of a GM learning on the job again.

Also, I'm surprised Roy has the most votes so far. I'm open to that but it's risky. He could be awesome or it could be a disaster. No in the middle IMO lol
 
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HuGort

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If Habs get in playoffs pretty good chance Bergevin is back. If Canadiens have a decent playoff, he's a lock to return.
 

Habs Halifax

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If Habs get in playoffs pretty good chance Bergevin is back. If Canadiens have a decent playoff, he's a lock to return.

If the Habs win 6/12 games...
* Flames need to win 10/11 games
* Canucks need to win 11/16 games

I believe Bergevin has one more year left in term? I think he's our GM to start the season next year and if he is gone, something really bad happens from now till end of the year. I don't believe Molson wants to write off more money to be honest. And then combine that with trying to interview for a new GM. Molson is not qualified to do that and when Bergevin was hired, Molson hired Savard to do the interviews.
 

Lshap

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I'm tired of hiring interns who we hope will learn on the job. We do that with coaches and GMs. Enough. The Montreal Canadiens org isn't a mentoring program. Get someone with professional experience and a track record of success.

The philosophy of hiring from within your family is fine if you run a shoe store, but it sucks if you're competing in a North American league.
 

ChesterNimitz

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Limiting the GM role to ex-players just shrinks the pool and trends toward uneducated and egotistical. Bowman was injured playing minor league hockey and redirected. Take a student of the game who played at low levels and learned.
Further limiting the pool by adding a linguistic imperative will continue this team's well travelled journey on the road to mediocrity.
 

ChesterNimitz

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If the Habs win 6/12 games...
* Flames need to win 10/11 games
* Canucks need to win 11/16 games

I believe Bergevin has one more year left in term? I think he's our GM to start the season next year and if he is gone, something really bad happens from now till end of the year. I don't believe Molson wants to write off more money to be honest. And then combine that with trying to interview for a new GM. Molson is not qualified to do that and when Bergevin was hired, Molson hired Savard to do the interviews.
You mean the genius who traded Leclair, Desjardins and Dionne for for Recchi? That really worked out well.
 

Vachon23

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Limiting the GM role to ex-players just shrinks the pool and trends toward uneducated and egotistical. Bowman was injured playing minor league hockey and redirected. Take a student of the game who played at low levels and learned.
Yzerman/Sakic/Wilson have played and they are great executives. You will found exemple that work and other that didn’t in every background, the most important thing it’s to have someone with great leadership and that have guts
 

WinterLion

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To me the bigger question is whether the whole team is canned or not. If everyone is fired and the new GM gets to hire a whole new staff... that's a big deal and it would allow us to entice someone to leave a good position with another organization. If Molson prefers to keep the staff intact for the most part, but find a new manager... the decision is less important. I'd be fine with either situation... the first would be more exciting obviously...
 

ChesterNimitz

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Yzerman/Sakic/Wilson have played and they are great executives. You will found exemple that work and other that didn’t in every background, the most important thing it’s to have someone with great leadership and that have guts
I think that the point being made is that simply because you can eat doesn't mean you can cook.
 

Lshap

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Yzerman/Sakic/Wilson have played and they are great executives. You will found exemple that work and other that didn’t in every background, the most important thing it’s to have someone with great leadership and that have guts
Leadership and guts are important within the locker room and nice qualities to have for anyone, but they're not what a GM needs to build a winning team. I'd say a GM's most important qualities are vision, negotiating, and hiring. Professional experience is also crucial.
 
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Andy

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He won't get canned because the habs will make the playoffs this year.

And there is a good chance they can make it through round 1.
 

Kriss E

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He won't get canned because the habs will make the playoffs this year.

And there is a good chance they can make it through round 1.
Even if they don't, Molson will let Bergevin finish his contract. It's one more year, they've built this relationship over 10 years where Molson clearly respects him. He's not going to fire him with one year remaining. At most he lets him finish his term and then parts ways.
 

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Denis Gauthier

He doesn't have the experience or the name but I think he's a really brilliant guy. He's the best analyst from RDS by a mile.

Maybe assistant GM would be a better fit for him to start with.

Martin Madden Jr would be my choice to be the next GM though.

So Madden GM + Gauthier Assistant-GM
 

SOLR

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Denis Gauthier

He doesn't have the experience or the name but I think he's a really brilliant guy. He's the best analyst from RDS by a mile.

Maybe assistant GM would be a better fit for him to start with.

Martin Madden Jr would be my choice to be the next GM though.

So Madden GM + Gauthier Assistant-GM

Why are you proposing a bunch of knuckleheads?

We need a highly intelligent GM for once.

I'd would much rather we take a 25 years old from Harvard than anyone with a hockey pedigree.

The mathematics of winning in the NHL are *easy*

As GM you are there to manage waves.
What that means:
1) You can no longer keep the ocean flowing like in the 1990s with a long set of free agents. You have to get 25 years old via trade when others team move on from them (Anderson, Toffoli) and sign them to 5 years deals. Bergevin did a fantastic job on this. He just won't accept any of the others items.
2) You have to sell 80% of your veterans when they reach 31-32, that's when physical decline starts. And because of 1) - attempting to patch holes with others FA is not possible.
3) Only your very best 27 years old should be resigned and never for 8 years (best to sign your stars for 8 years when they are under 25)
4) You should never, ever, never, ever, rent players who are not stars when you are not really in an end-wave moment (as we are with Danault and Tatar)
5) Goaltenders are no longer possible franchise players. Period.
6) You have to draft in the top 2 (not 3), top 2, at least twice early in a wave (unless there's an odd draft with more semi-guaranteed franchise players)
7) Don't draft knuckleheads, the game is faster, the IQ required is higher.
8) Slow players won't scale in the NHL.
 
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Shabs

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I'm tired of hiring interns who we hope will learn on the job. We do that with coaches and GMs. Enough. The Montreal Canadiens org isn't a mentoring program. Get someone with professional experience and a track record of success.

The philosophy of hiring from within your family is fine if you run a shoe store, but it sucks if you're competing in a North American league.

who'd you vote for?
 

Vachon23

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Leadership and guts are important within the locker room and nice qualities to have for anyone, but they're not what a GM needs to build a winning team. I'd say a GM's most important qualities are vision, negotiating, and hiring. Professional experience is also crucial.

I should have add vision and pro experience I agree, but négociation I don't think it's that important, because you can AGM who are specialist in that area like Yzerman did with Brisebois
 
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