If it's not Jack Campbell who should be the Leafs new #1 goalie?

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A good chunk of Leaf nation has been whining non-stop about anything and everything Dubas does or doesn't do for some time now. The whining has gone so far overboard that it's amusing.

Losing 4 first round series in a row and watching Dubas giving away picks to fix his mistakes, dumb trades like Kadri, Marchment, and Murray, bad signings like Ritchie and Mrazek, losing the likes of Hyman, Soup, Mik for nothing will do that to a fan base. But hey I admire your faith in this management team.
 
You didn't call anything perfectly. You were panicked about not having the goalie situation publicly established before free agency even started, and claimed that we were "outmaneuvered" based on nothing, and then after all that, we ended up getting a better goalie than the ones you thought we missed out on, before free agency, and got back assets to do it. We didn't "scramble" and we didn't "overpay". We didn't even pay at all - we got paid.

Are you describing what dubas did?

Panic for a third tier goalie?

Must be feeling pretty confident coming off his "basically a conference finals first round loss".

Better get some Sudbury wolves season tickets
 
I had crossed fingers Dubas was going to pull something off like trading for Carter Hart. Some kind of big boy move.

Trading for Matt Murray I didn't actually think would happen, I mean we already had a better Matt Murray in Andersen.
 

MAPLE LEAFS LOOKING FOR BARGAIN FOURTH-LINE PIECE

Trying to find roster solutions with little cap space to work with, the Maple Leafs handled one bit of business Monday, swinging a trade for netminder Matt Murray. But a number of questions still remain in net, up front, and on the blue line. Seravalli suggested 25-year-old goaltender Ilya Samsonov — who wasn't given a qualifying offer by the Washington Capitals — as a potential target to fill out Toronto's tandem, but such a move would likely require Toronto clearing some cap space, perhaps by dealing defender Justin Holl.

As for the rest of their cap situation, here's how he sees it shaking out:

“A small chunk of that — probably $1 million, $1.25 million, $1.4 million, whatever it ends up being — is probably going to be the [Rasmus] Sandin deal. Clearly qualifying [Pierre] Engvall, he’s a player that they have not only interest in, but see a future in, given what he brought to that line defensively and all the other aspects that are an element of his game, that are a bit different from anyone else. … [Ilya] Mikheyev is going to be too expensive. They really need a fourth-line piece — I think to this point, Colin Blackwell is too expensive, given what he might be able to get."

"So, they’re looking in that $750,000-to-$1 million range for another fourth-line piece. But a big chunk of [Toronto's $6.3 million in cap space] is probably going to be chewed up by a goaltender — the question is how much?"

Speaking of potential options in net for Toronto, the Daily Faceoff insider also shed light on just how close Cup champion and 2021 Vezina winner Marc-Andre Fleury was to a potential move to the blue and white this off-season — and why it likely would've cost less than what the Maple Leafs will be paying Murray.

“I think it was something that was certainly a consideration," Seravalli said when asked about whether Fleury-to-Toronto was a possibility before the veteran re-upped with Minnesota. "And whatever reporting was out there that Marc-Andre Fleury had no interest in playing in Toronto, or had nixed the idea of it last spring during the trade deadline, I think that was always overblown. I think when it came down to it, and these chairs started to fill up in a hurry, and you saw Colorado make the decision to go with Alexandar Georgiev, that’s when I think Marc-Andre Fleury jumped into gear saying, ‘Hey, I actually really like the situation in Minnesota. Before they go and move on to the next guy on their list, maybe I should just get a deal done there.’ So it never really got to the point where it was an option for the Leafs."

"My guess is that wherever he ended up, he was always kind of looking at the same type of deal — a multi-year deal in the mid-three [millions], whether it was in Colorado, whether it was in Minnesota, Toronto, Washington, wherever it was. It clearly kind of came down to pecking order."

"And the way I always viewed it from the Fleury perspective was Colorado was his first choice, Minnesota was second, Toronto third and Washington and whoever else fourth and fifth."
 

MAPLE LEAFS LOOKING FOR BARGAIN FOURTH-LINE PIECE

Trying to find roster solutions with little cap space to work with, the Maple Leafs handled one bit of business Monday, swinging a trade for netminder Matt Murray. But a number of questions still remain in net, up front, and on the blue line. Seravalli suggested 25-year-old goaltender Ilya Samsonov — who wasn't given a qualifying offer by the Washington Capitals — as a potential target to fill out Toronto's tandem, but such a move would likely require Toronto clearing some cap space, perhaps by dealing defender Justin Holl.

As for the rest of their cap situation, here's how he sees it shaking out:

“A small chunk of that — probably $1 million, $1.25 million, $1.4 million, whatever it ends up being — is probably going to be the [Rasmus] Sandin deal. Clearly qualifying [Pierre] Engvall, he’s a player that they have not only interest in, but see a future in, given what he brought to that line defensively and all the other aspects that are an element of his game, that are a bit different from anyone else. … [Ilya] Mikheyev is going to be too expensive. They really need a fourth-line piece — I think to this point, Colin Blackwell is too expensive, given what he might be able to get."

"So, they’re looking in that $750,000-to-$1 million range for another fourth-line piece. But a big chunk of [Toronto's $6.3 million in cap space] is probably going to be chewed up by a goaltender — the question is how much?"

Speaking of potential options in net for Toronto, the Daily Faceoff insider also shed light on just how close Cup champion and 2021 Vezina winner Marc-Andre Fleury was to a potential move to the blue and white this off-season — and why it likely would've cost less than what the Maple Leafs will be paying Murray.

“I think it was something that was certainly a consideration," Seravalli said when asked about whether Fleury-to-Toronto was a possibility before the veteran re-upped with Minnesota. "And whatever reporting was out there that Marc-Andre Fleury had no interest in playing in Toronto, or had nixed the idea of it last spring during the trade deadline, I think that was always overblown. I think when it came down to it, and these chairs started to fill up in a hurry, and you saw Colorado make the decision to go with Alexandar Georgiev, that’s when I think Marc-Andre Fleury jumped into gear saying, ‘Hey, I actually really like the situation in Minnesota. Before they go and move on to the next guy on their list, maybe I should just get a deal done there.’ So it never really got to the point where it was an option for the Leafs."

"My guess is that wherever he ended up, he was always kind of looking at the same type of deal — a multi-year deal in the mid-three [millions], whether it was in Colorado, whether it was in Minnesota, Toronto, Washington, wherever it was. It clearly kind of came down to pecking order."

"And the way I always viewed it from the Fleury perspective was Colorado was his first choice, Minnesota was second, Toronto third and Washington and whoever else fourth and fifth."

Free agent frenzy about to get exciting!

Glad to see our budget gets f***ed if someone offer sheets 2.5 for Sandin
 
A good chunk of Leaf nation has been whining non-stop about anything and everything Dubas does or doesn't do for some time now. The whining has gone so far overboard that it's amusing.
We’ll see how amusing you’ll find Murray once the season starts .
 
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That is not content. What is your actual take on this? You've mocked me for having an opinion just the other day, which is fine I guess. You know that there is actually a core group of posters here that have a track record of getting things right more often than not. Some of the opinions from posters here have a bit of weight behind what they say.

I guess we can just settle for :thumbd: :huh: :popcorn: o_O :eek3: though. You're welcome to have a real discussion at any time you wish. We're really pretty easy to get along with.
 
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You could easily have pointed to the fact that Dubas has drafted well, been a decent enough signer of free agents, has a keen eye for value, and has improved the blueline significantly to the point where this is probably one of the best Leafs D-cores in our lifetimes.

You could also have pointed to the fact that he seems very personable and clearly has not only built solid lasting relationships with plenty of people around the league that seems to have served him well, but he's just a genuinely likeable guy.

..........but you went for this silliness instead.
 
More than happy to move on from Campbell. Was the worst goalie in the league after December and is injury prone. Mentally weak. Problem is we replaced him with a guy who has similar issues, at least only 2 year deal.
 
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We know who the #1 is not so the search is for #2. I believe they have put all their eggs in the Murray basket with that cap hit, even with retention. Who is the goalie for under $3M that will give them a snowballs chance if Murray goes down or just stays bad?

I have suggested Comrie who's sample is microscopic. I earlier mentioned Holtby who is a bit wrecked and may not be able to start the season. Who are the other discount possibilities?
 
Sounds like Campbell will be getting around 5 x 5. While we pay Murray 4.6 x 2. I'll miss Campbell, say what you want but his record proved he was good. If he can settle down his mind, he will become more consistent.

Might aswell start hoping Arizona finishes with the 1st overall pick in case we need to trade Matthews there after this season...
 
Leafs final offer to Jack before pulling the trigger on Murray was 4M x 3 years 😢

Not sure where you heard that but Friedman was just on Fan590 and said Leafs offered 3x2.75m with last year under $1m (talk about insulting offer). Soup countered with ridiculous ask and it then went off the rails.

Sounds like Campbell will be getting around 5 x 5. While we pay Murray 4.6 x 2. I'll miss Campbell, say what you want but his record proved he was good. If he can settle down his mind, he will become more consistent.

Might aswell start hoping Arizona finishes with the 1st overall pick in case we need to trade Matthews there after this season...

Hard to fit in a $12m contract but Zona has plenty of space to accommodate Matty. Hell Matty probably gives them a discount.
 
Hard to fit in a $12m contract but Zona has plenty of space to accommodate Matty. Hell Matty probably gives them a discount.

I'm sure they'd make it work and bettman will be pushing for it for sure. Its a day I'm not looking forward to but when you hire a shitty rookie gm who had his growing pains at the most important time of our rebuild. He's made some good creative moves for sure but he's done more bad then good.

I'm sure once we fire him and he goes to his next team more experienced, he might make himself into a decent gm
 
What's amusing is the fans who praise anything and everything and expect others to do.the same.
That's two people by my count and I have been ignoring them for some time now. They're now massively outnumbered by what seems to be hundreds of people like you who just shit on everything Dubas ever does, or has done.

That is not content. What is your actual take on this? You've mocked me for having an opinion just the other day, which is fine I guess. You know that there is actually a core group of posters here that have a track record of getting things right more often than not. Some of the opinions from posters here have a bit of weight behind what they say.

I guess we can just settle for :thumbd: :huh: :popcorn: o_O :eek3: though. You're welcome to have a real discussion at any time you wish. We're really pretty easy to get along with.
I never mock anyone for having an opinion. I may mock the opinions themselves at times and yes, IMHO some of your opinions in the past have definitely qualified for that honor. :)

So you have no respone except whining about the "whiners"
This post is among the most ironic I've ever read here. Ever since our season ended, I've seen probably over 100 posts by you and they're all the same - one sarcastic quip after another. You're the poster boy for the crowd who is no longer interested in any serious discussion.

You could easily have pointed to the fact that Dubas has drafted well, been a decent enough signer of free agents, has a keen eye for value, and has improved the blueline significantly to the point where this is probably one of the best Leafs D-cores in our lifetimes.

You could also have pointed to the fact that he seems very personable and clearly has not only built solid lasting relationships with plenty of people around the league that seems to have served him well, but he's just a genuinely likeable guy.

..........but you went for this silliness instead.
I've pointed out some of these things many times. When I made this particular post, I was just too jaded/tired to do it all over again. I've said it before, Dubas has done more good than bad IMO but he's definitely done some of both. And the post I was responding to listed a bunch of things as fact (bad trades) that are nothing more than opinions and when opinions are stated as facts, that's a sign that honest discussion isn't an option.

The only posters worth engaging in discussion are the ones who aren't part of the loud majority who are shitting all over anything and everything Dubas has ever done, and aren't part of the smaller (but persistent Zekes posse) who are the opposite. Luckily there is still intelligent, thoughtful discussion to be had here but there's just so much nonsense to sift through before you find it.

If what I posted was silliness, Ok maybe it was. You can forgive me, or not. Completely up to you. Cheers!

The whole Dubas debate is almost exactly the same as the vaccine "debate".

People who are pro-Dubas are steadfast in their beliefs, so are the staunch anti-Dubas side. No one is changing their minds at this point.
Pretty much this. Though I have to say that as far as vaccines go, there's a lack of solid information and people with bad reactions to the vaccine tend to not have their voices heard and it's almost impossible for them to get answers to their questions. It's gotten to the point that I even understand why some of them are starting to believe in conspiracy theories. So I'm not on either side in this as I believe vaccines have done more good then bad but at the same time, the bad is being shut out from the mainstream news, probably because it would lead to more people not getting vaccinated. I think there's enough questions without clear answers that nobody should too entrenched in their positions but I believe you're right - most people are on one side or the other which is most unfortunate as IMHO, it's all one big gray area.

I'm sure they'd make it work and bettman will be pushing for it for sure. Its a day I'm not looking forward to but when you hire a shitty rookie gm who had his growing pains at the most important time of our rebuild. He's made some good creative moves for sure but he's done more bad then good.

I'm sure once we fire him and he goes to his next team more experienced, he might make himself into a decent gm
I've never believed in this sort of thing. Can you help me understand how you imagine this happening - how exactly would Bettman go about "pushing for it"?
 
That's two people by my count and I have been ignoring them for some time now. They're now massively outnumbered by what seems to be hundreds of people like you who just shit on everything Dubas ever does, or has done.


I never mock anyone for having an opinion. I may mock the opinions themselves at times and yes, IMHO some of your opinions in the past have definitely qualified for that honor. :)


This post is among the most ironic I've ever read here. Ever since our season ended, I've seen probably over 100 posts by you and they're all the same - one sarcastic quip after another. You're the poster boy for the crowd who is no longer interested in any serious discussion.


I've pointed out some of these things many times. When I made this particular post, I was just too jaded/tired to do it all over again. I've said it before, Dubas has done more good than bad IMO but he's definitely done some of both. And the post I was responding to listed a bunch of things as fact (bad trades) that are nothing more than opinions and when opinions are stated as facts, that's a sign that honest discussion isn't an option.

The only posters worth engaging in discussion are the ones who aren't part of the loud majority who are shitting all over anything and everything Dubas has ever done, and aren't part of the smaller (but persistent Zekes posse) who are the opposite. Luckily there is still intelligent, thoughtful discussion to be had here but there's just so much nonsense to sift through before you find it.

If what I posted was silliness, Ok maybe it was. You can forgive me, or not. Completely up to you. Cheers!


Pretty much this. Though I have to say that as far as vaccines go, there's a lack of solid information and people with bad reactions to the vaccine tend to not have their voices heard and it's almost impossible for them to get answers to their questions. It's gotten to the point that I even understand why some of them are starting to believe in conspiracy theories. So I'm not on either side in this as I believe vaccines have done more good then bad but at the same time, the bad is being shut out from the mainstream news, probably because it would lead to more people not getting vaccinated. I think there's enough questions without clear answers that nobody should too entrenched in their positions but I believe you're right - most people are on one side or the other which is most unfortunate as IMHO, it's all one big gray area.


I've never believed in this sort of thing. Can you help me understand how you imagine this happening - how exactly would Bettman go about "pushing for it"?
It's nice to have a moral compass for this forum
 

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