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If it's not Jack Campbell who should be the Leafs new #1 goalie?

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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
you have been wrong before and you are wrong now, Stolarz isn't even close to the goalie Gibson is and I know the response wiill be "but look at his numbers."

Backups sometimes do have better numbers than starters because they play fewer games and weaker teams that doesn't mean they are better than the starter it means that they don't play as much and they get softer competition



there are at least 5 and even if there was only 1, f***ing go get him
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When have I stated Stolarz is a better goalie than Gibson?

Theres a reason he has never been a starter. I'm just simply saying Gibson has been trash for 3 straight years now, and has a history of injury concerns (and a 6.4m cap hit for FIVE more years). I pointed out to the other poster that the two year priors when the ducks were not a good team (missed the playoffs, swept in round 1) he still put up great numbers.

So using the "poor team" excuse is pretty lazy. Goalies put up good numbers on poor teams all the time.

thusk said:
Like i said in a other post

Difference between playing in a good and an awful team

Awful team.like anaheim: youre down 2-0 after 1 period... you know you can be perfect the rest of the game and the chance will still low to win and if you allowing a 3rd goal, its already game over
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Good team 2-0 after 1, you know if you giving to your team a chance to stay in the game than you will have good chance to come back and win it...

Do you think goalie will play the same way, with the same energy and the kit ?

His stats drop not because hes worst but because hes an human.

The same thing happened to carey Price and i think montreal was a better team than anaheim last 3 season. People in QC was hoping to see price get traded because he didnt get stats of a elite 10.5M goalie until mtl reach stanley cup because of his work.
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Okay then what about the 2 years before when they missed the playoffs and got swept in the first round. Not very good teams, still put up good numbers. Also, the ducks were in a playoff spot half way through last season... So again, your reasoning is not really lining up.


If the ducks want a 1st+Knies+lilj or something of that level for Gibson theres no way I'm agreeing to that.
 
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Peasy said:
When have I stated Stolarz is a better goalie than Gibson?

Theres a reason he has never been a starter. I'm just simply saying Gibson has been trash for 3 straight years now, and has a history of injury concerns (and a 6.4m cap hit for FIVE more years). I pointed out to the other poster that the two year priors when the ducks were not a good team (missed the playoffs, swept in round 1) he still put up great numbers.

So using the "poor team" excuse is pretty lazy. Goalies put up good numbers on poor teams all the time.


Okay then what about the 2 years before when they missed the playoffs and got swept in the first round. Not very good teams, still put up good numbers. Also, the ducks were in a playoff spot half way through last season... So again, your reasoning is not really lining up.
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the injury issues are either a lie or greatly exagerrated

since 16-17 John Gibson has played a minimum of 51 games every year with the exception of 20-21 which was only a 56 game season so of course he wasn't going to play 51 out of 56 games.

I don't know where the injury issue narrative comes from it's not true.
 
Arguably the best pending UFA available already plays for our team and we're apparently offering him 2.75 AAV. I wouldn't expect a big splash.
 
Personally I want Jack back, but Mrazek gone and a trade for Blackwood. I think there is still a LOT of upside left with Blackwood, he's young, rushed back from injury and some mental issues being dealt with.

Running with him and Jack would be my ideal, he's Still young enough to put it all together and become a legit #1.
 
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I hear that the Zamboni driver guy is available.

If you can't beat him,sign him.

Oh wait,he has no connections to the Soo,Dubas has to pass then.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Title says it all if Jack Campbell isn't back, and it doesn't sound like he will be then who should be the new #1 goalie?

For me it's no secret I want John Gibson, the Ducks are in a rebuild, Gibson seems like he could be on the market that's the guy I want, followed by Keumper, Varlamov, Fluery and Lehner the others don't really have a particular order for me Gibson is far and away #1 on that list he is the guy I want.

But I would take any of them because they are all legitimate #1 goalies and I think that's what's needed an undisputed legitimate #1 goalie, I do not believe in Jack Campbell I have seen him have 5 chances to close out a series in the past 2 years and fail every time I think it is time for a change.

It's time to go get the best guy on the market and to me that's John Gibson.
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I don't quite get the attachment to Gibson. Personally, I don't think he would do that well here. Of the guys you named Lehner would be the best choice as I believe he has the best playoff stats.

But I think they should take a run at Husso in St. Louis. Not sure they can afford him, but we are yet to see how much they actually have to spend this summer so maybe they will have the cash.

LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
no he didn't or they'd still be playing it's that simple
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So he was responsible for their power play going dry?
 
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zeke said:
Campbell battled head to head against $10.5m and $9.5m #1 goalies the past two playoffs and wasn't 2nd best in either series.

I'd love to keep him if we can.
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I'd say this year was roughly even and Price outplayed him pretty significantly down the stretch. He certainly started strong in both series though
 
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Maybe Binnington will be available via trade. He is on quite a rich deal though.
Might be more available if we are threatining to sign Husso but who knows.
Goalies are voodoo.
 
Peasy said:
When have I stated Stolarz is a better goalie than Gibson?

Theres a reason he has never been a starter. I'm just simply saying Gibson has been trash for 3 straight years now, and has a history of injury concerns (and a 6.4m cap hit for FIVE more years). I pointed out to the other poster that the two year priors when the ducks were not a good team (missed the playoffs, swept in round 1) he still put up great numbers.

So using the "poor team" excuse is pretty lazy. Goalies put up good numbers on poor teams all the time.


Okay then what about the 2 years before when they missed the playoffs and got swept in the first round. Not very good teams, still put up good numbers. Also, the ducks were in a playoff spot half way through last season... So again, your reasoning is not really lining up.


If the ducks want a 1st+Knies+lilj or something of that level for Gibson theres no way I'm agreeing to that.
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Why do you think anaheim was in playoff spot last season that long? Its starting with john and finishing with Gibson. Gibson was extremely solid until january 31. Without gibson anaheim probably fighting for a top 5 pick

At jan 31 he had a .922 save %, its dropping after that moment

Thats also where ducks started to suck even more. I watch by moment those 3 game played between jan 26 to jan 31and anaheim was completly dominated

Against toronto: without gibson this probably finishing loke 8-3 but stole 1 pts

Next game against ottawa same thing completly dominated but still won it 2-1

Next against detroit completly outplayed again and again he stole a 1 point there and let only one goal in regulation

And ducks still playing like shit and gibson wasn't unable to keep that rythm, you cant ask to your goalie to save your ass every game.
 
Hoping we can get Campbell done. The market is weak for Goalies, and Campbell is a fan favourite for sure with his personality and battle. Outside of trading for Gibson, which would cost a significant asset and money out (such as Nylander), there is no clear upgrades to be had in net. And the beauty is, we give up nothing but money for Campbell. Have to get Mrazek off the books....then a 4mil x 4yrs type deal for Campbell can be done I'm sure. He'll want stability, and I don't think he'll cost more than 5 mil
 
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I’m not huge on Gibson, he’s struggled in the playoffs when there.

He has amazing tools but he hasn’t really produced.

Varlamov is the safest option. He has really low percentage of “really bad starts” and he is a guy who has always had great playoffs.

Husso is a guy I would take a chance on. A lot of potential.

Holtby or Halak would be a cheap veteran backup I would look at.

Going off the board if I’m really rolling dice I’d knock on doors about Blackwood and Hart - two young former can’t miss goalies who have struggled. Would need to watch a crazy amount of film and see what appears to be the issue though. Also not sure where the organisations are on these guys.
 
It’s a long term move… but said it once amd I will say it again. Get Askarov. The next Vasi | Sherstikin. Nashville has Saros. Will likely be losing Forsberg and may either rebuild or replace him. He may be untouchable but if he available the leafs would have their next goalie for a decade. Problem is that he likely isn’t ready. So solves no short term problem and they are trying to win now.

Hoping for a Husso, Blackwood tandem.
 
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makbeer said:
I’m not huge on Gibson, he’s struggled in the playoffs when there.

He has amazing tools but he hasn’t really produced.

Varlamov is the safest option. He has really low percentage of “really bad starts” and he is a guy who has always had great playoffs.

Husso is a guy I would take a chance on. A lot of potential.

Holtby or Halak would be a cheap veteran backup I would look at.

Going off the board if I’m really rolling dice I’d knock on doors about Blackwood and Hart - two young former can’t miss goalies who have struggled. Would need to watch a crazy amount of film and see what appears to be the issue though. Also not sure where the organisations are on these guys.
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I think Varlamov has been significantly worse on Long Island this year but otherwise I agree with the risk/reward breakdown.

I also wonder about Korpisalo. Does he have the ability to turn into a surprisingly solid goalie like an Anton Forsberg if just given a chance? I think CBJ has Daniil Tarasov pushing up behind Merzlikins. I also wouldn't mind trying out a Scott Wedgewood as an insurance policy backup.
 
colchar said:
How the hell would you know?
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because he still played his regular number of games, except for 20-21 he only played 35 but the season was only 56 games long so he wasn't going to play 50+ games that year.

every other year since 16-17 he's played a minimum of 51 games
 
The Iceman said:
Is this a good time to remind everyone that Gibson was selected with the Leafs draft choice...and whatever became of Tyler Biggs??

Thanks Burkie
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Interesting too that Friedman mentions it’s a lot of the “old school” coaches having success right now. Is it okay to say that or will the theorem crowd get triggered? Hockey will always be a pretty simple game.
 
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