He is debatable because age affects people differently. Some guys gradually decline like Lundqvist, some guys get injured like Price and some guys fall off a cliff. You're hoping for the forrmer if you get Fleury but you really can't be sure what you're gonna get with a 36 year old goalie no matter how good he was in the recent past. Going with MAF means you will need a strong 1B goalie as well since you don't wanna be giving older guys 60+ gamees of workload.
If it's not Jack Campbell who should be the Leafs new #1 goalie?
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I hope he’s gone.
Way too injury prone. He was not stable in net.
We need to pay for a true #1 goalie. This has to be the top priority this off season.
Followed by defense and bottom 6 forwards.
This team should look quite different next year, if Dubas and Co truly want to win.
Peasy
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Said it before and I said it again. I wouldn't touch Gibson with a 10 foot pole. He is the perfect situation that can completely blow up on your face, and with the way the leafs cap is, you cannot take that risk.
He has like 5 more years at 6m and has posted below a 0.905sv% the last 3 years. Compare his numbers to Stolarz. I've watched some duck games especially this year and Stolarz looked better than Gibson.
The dude has a long list of injuries before the age of 30. It's a major concern imo.
Way better targets out there with less risk. See if Boston wants to move someone like ullmark. Check in with Blackwood in NJ. Check in with UFA goalies.
He has like 5 more years at 6m and has posted below a 0.905sv% the last 3 years. Compare his numbers to Stolarz. I've watched some duck games especially this year and Stolarz looked better than Gibson.
The dude has a long list of injuries before the age of 30. It's a major concern imo.
Way better targets out there with less risk. See if Boston wants to move someone like ullmark. Check in with Blackwood in NJ. Check in with UFA goalies.
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44 is Rielly good
Kuemper would obviously be one of the best options, but there's a good chance he'll be too expensive and/or Colorado will want to keep him.
Vanecek would also be a good option, but I believe Washington will want to keep Vanecek and might want to move on from Samsonov.
Realistically, I'm one of the people that believes we can win with Campbell and he's one of the few players where the cap makes sense. So maybe try again to bring in either a vet that can stabilize and fill-in for Campbell if he struggles OR bring in a young player with potential.
If we had a decent vet when Campbell struggled, we might be been able to keep up/beat Florida for first in the division and played Washington instead of Tampa... I truly believe the whole team will play more consistent after they get out of the first round.
So, established vet if they're not too expensive (Fleury, Holtby, Varlamov /w retention) or a young guy with some potential like Samsonov.
I think going after a guy like Mrazek (middle aged with up and down history) isn't likely to actually help Campbell or improve our goaltending as the only platoon goalie we can afford in their prime aren't better than Campbell. Get a vet for support or a young guy that could blossom.
Vanecek would also be a good option, but I believe Washington will want to keep Vanecek and might want to move on from Samsonov.
Realistically, I'm one of the people that believes we can win with Campbell and he's one of the few players where the cap makes sense. So maybe try again to bring in either a vet that can stabilize and fill-in for Campbell if he struggles OR bring in a young player with potential.
If we had a decent vet when Campbell struggled, we might be been able to keep up/beat Florida for first in the division and played Washington instead of Tampa... I truly believe the whole team will play more consistent after they get out of the first round.
So, established vet if they're not too expensive (Fleury, Holtby, Varlamov /w retention) or a young guy with some potential like Samsonov.
I think going after a guy like Mrazek (middle aged with up and down history) isn't likely to actually help Campbell or improve our goaltending as the only platoon goalie we can afford in their prime aren't better than Campbell. Get a vet for support or a young guy that could blossom.
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I will take price as comparaison... he didnt look good last 3 or 4 season because he wqs playing on a bad team and most of the time habs back up get better stats... soni give you the choice to have an goaltender caliber of price at decent you say no because he had bad atats in a awful team?
How many game did you watch duck game and ducks was the best team on the ice? Probably not much.
The difference between playing in a team like anaheim or toronto its :
By exemple is you trailingn2-0 after 10 minutes with toronto you know if you make the next stop and being strong, your team have real good chance to come back and if youre allowing a 3 rd they can still come back.
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Anaheim same situation, you know if you still making the next stop and being perfect the rest of the game, chance to lose still pretty high and if you allowing that 3rd goal, its game over
1-Do you think goalie will playing the same way? Playing with the same intensity? Being as much confident about himself and their team?
2- The difference between a proven starting goalie and a back up in this kind of situation is simple. Back up playing to keep their carreer alive and cant take it off or its will probably be the end of their carreer.
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1. Gibson has never been the level of goaltender that Price ever was.
2. Its weird that you use Price as a "good" example considering his current situation is what I think is likely a possibility to happen to Gibson.
Gibson has 5 more years at 6.4m. Price's career is looking over because of injuries, and its likely his decline of play was tied to these injuries. I see something similar happening to Gibson. Hes been out played by his back up goalie the past 3 years. Yes the backup typically has easier match ups, but there were also stretches throughout those seasons that Gibson was hurt so their backup had to take over.
Taking on a 6.4m contract for 5 more years that is tied to a player that has played well below expectations the past 3 seasons, and has an injury history is just way to much of a risk for the Leafs to take imo. If Anaheim were to retain quite a bit, I might consider. But I dont think theyd be interested in doing that.
You mean the guy who can’t stay healthy for more than two games in a row? I can see why you’re a Dubas fan, you guys think quite alike.
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Trade for Georgiev's RFA rights and sign him
Then trade for Varlamov and sweeten the pot so Lou retains 50% on his final year.
Then trade for Varlamov and sweeten the pot so Lou retains 50% on his final year.
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thusk
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ps price had only 1 best season than gibson career high but the idea is not to compare gibson to price. It just an exemple of how an excellent goalie can dont have stats going with it in a bad team.
Its still fun because when they asked to NHL player who are best goalie in NHL, gibson is amount top 5 goalie. Who else a in better position to tell who is the best than player
Elite goalie in good team and getting good stats because the team in front of him will not be available. Leafs will never be able to find a better goalie than gibson. 6.4M for a true #1 is not that much and i prefer to pay a #1 goalie at this price than a second line winger because its the most important position in hockey, particulary in playoff.
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There's not many clear upgrades out there
Put mrazek on LTIR and use his cap space plus jack campbells last year and add a million or two and go after Keumper.
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I don't know about Kuemper, He's going to be 33 and looking for probably at least a 4 year deal, I mean he could be good and healthy but as we have seen it could also go the other way...
It's so hard to keep these guys healthy, maybe that's where they need to spend more money...
It's so hard to keep these guys healthy, maybe that's where they need to spend more money...
Peasy
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Goals saved above expected for Gibson the past 3 seasons:
19-20: -18 in 52 games
20-21: -7.4 in 34 games
21-22: -14.3 in 56 games.
In those 3 seasons, on a per60 rate he was only better than his backup in 20-21.
In 2018-2019, when the Ducks still missed the playoffs, he had a +13.3 in 58 games.
In 2017-2018, when Ducks were swept in the first round, he had a +21.8 in 60 games.
Theres been a massive fall off in his game the last 3 years. How much of a sample size do you need to be concerned? For me, 3 consecutive years is more than enough.
thusk
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Like i said in a other post
Difference between playing in a good and an awful team
Awful team.like anaheim: youre down 2-0 after 1 period... you know you can be perfect the rest of the game and the chance will still low to win and if you allowing a 3rd goal, its already game over
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Good team 2-0 after 1, you know if you giving to your team a chance to stay in the game than you will have good chance to come back and win it...
Do you think goalie will play the same way, with the same energy and the kit ?
His stats drop not because hes worst but because hes an human.
The same thing happened to carey Price and i think montreal was a better team than anaheim last 3 season. People in QC was hoping to see price get traded because he didnt get stats of a elite 10.5M goalie until mtl reach stanley cup because of his work.
you have been wrong before and you are wrong now, Stolarz isn't even close to the goalie Gibson is and I know the response wiill be "but look at his numbers."
Backups sometimes do have better numbers than starters because they play fewer games and weaker teams that doesn't mean they are better than the starter it means that they don't play as much and they get softer competition
there are at least 5 and even if there was only 1, f***ing go get him
I think we have the line up to win it all - Except in goal.
My preference is roll it back with scrubs in net. Ensure the team is trending to make the playoffs (obviously).
Then - Make only one deadline deal. Bring in a difference making top goalie.
I would target Helly or Demko at 50%. Then give a futures deal. Prospects and 1rst rounders.
My preference is roll it back with scrubs in net. Ensure the team is trending to make the playoffs (obviously).
Then - Make only one deadline deal. Bring in a difference making top goalie.
I would target Helly or Demko at 50%. Then give a futures deal. Prospects and 1rst rounders.
According to Friedman we're knocking in the Gibson door
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Campbell battled head to head against $10.5m and $9.5m #1 goalies the past two playoffs and wasn't 2nd best in either series.
I'd love to keep him if we can.
I'd love to keep him if we can.
