If Bruins Make the Playoffs Does Pastrnak Get Hart Consideration?
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Is there a recent example of a 6th/7th best scorer getting a Hart nomination? Hall won in 2018 but that wasn't a particularly great year for forwards. If Pasta was closer to the leaders he could get a mention.
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No. It's more like the player who gets a lot of hype by leading the scoring race or having a really amazing season while also being an important member of their team. Think Matthews or McDavid hart wins vs Taylor Hall's win. Sometimes it is like you say but not recently.
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Ok, but Pastrnak is in on 45% of his teams goals.....this is still behind both MacKinnon and Draisaitl
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lol he’s almost half of the bruins goals. I’ll ask again, take him away from the bruins and where are they? Take either drai mcdavid away and the oilers are still light years a better team than the bruins .
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considering the award is most valuable to his team, and the bruins are hunting a playoff spot, I’d say the guy that accounted almost half the teams goals lays out a pretty compelling case.
Theoretically, you take him away and 45%!of their goals go away. Take MacKinnon and Draisaitl away from their teams, more than 45% of their goals go away. That’s not the way it works of course, but like I said, he makes up less of Boston’s offense than those guys make up of their teams’ offense. Will Boston be worse without Pastrnak than Colorado would be without MacKinnon? Maybe/probably, but they are worse with him so that doesn’t say much
Considering the award is most valuable to his team and the Avalanche are holding a playoff spot, I’d say the guy that accounted close to half the teams goals lays out a pretty compelling case
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This may be the most compelling argument, the fact Avs are holding a PO spot gives it more weight.
Pasta’s been great since the start of January, but I don’t see why his slow start is being ignored here either. He wasn’t going to shoot under 10% forever but the Bruins were a lot better before he got hot. They were 16th in the league in points percentage up until December 31st, with Pasta having a line of 39-13-24-37. Since then Pasta has gone 23-19-19-38, but the Bruins are 28th in the league in points percentage in that time. Obviously Pasta can only do so much, but if we’re coming at this from the idea of him being by far the best player on a team struggling to make the playoffs, it seems more like the team could have used his hot streak at the start of the year to build a better cushion instead.
Why wasn't there talk of him dragging his team down when he was under a PPG and had the 3rd worst plus/minus on his team after 44 games?
In 2025 we’re still using +/-… crazy.
He was under PPG because the entire offense was inept, and if anything just proves how much he’s carrying the team that he’s not top 10 in scoring after being under PPG for 44 games lol.
Maybe if he had a better shooting % after 44 games, the offense wouldn't have been so inept. Little strange to be giving him all the credit while taking none of the blame.
Anyways, he is doing nothing particularly noteworthy that would place him above the three forwards who have been better than him this year regardless of the spin on how the B's couldn't beat a peewee team without him.
This does absolutely nothing whatsover to argue why Pastrnak is more deserving than Draistaitl. All you keep saying is that he accounts almost half of his teams goals.....this is true, but same can be said for MacKinnon and Draisaitl, except MacKinnon and Draisaitl acccount for even more of their teams' goal. Your next point....and they are hunting a playoff spot. Ok, not sure how that supports any argument at all. MacKinnon and Draisaitl's teams are doing better than hunting playoffs spots...maintained relatively same spot in the standings as the prior year while Boston has fallen significantly.
If you have another argument for Pastrnak over MacKinnon or Draisaitl, let's hear it. I'm not saying there is no other argument, but this can't be it because it's actually an argument for MacKinnon and Draisaitl, not Pastrnak.
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Remove drai from the oilers and you still have mcdavid , remove pasta and what do you have? coyle , marchy, geekie? I’ll give you Mack because his team is in the PO, but hard to argue for drai when he could be interchangeable with a guy on his team.
When you are the only player on your team producing at an elite level, or even a 1st line player level, you don’t deserve even a shred of the “blame”
The Bruins would be a bottom 5 team without him
When you are the only player on your team producing at an elite level, or even a 1st line player level, you don’t deserve even a shred of the “blame”
The Bruins would be a bottom 5 team without him
So if it's been all about the team playing better since mid-January, not Pasta, perhaps he isn't as valuable as you are making him out to be.
Again, there is nothing unusual about what he is doing that brings his value up to the level of Drai, Mac, or Kucherov. If he ends producing as much as them, then, yes, the gap between him and the rest of the team is relevant.
This whole "MOST VALUE TO HIS TEAM!!!" argument was played out the 2nd year the Hart trophy was introduced.
The best player brings the most value to his team, full stop.
This thread is brought up every year pointing to the true definition of the award “most valuable to their team”, but honestly no he likely won’t and shouldn’t as players in the past have fit the description better and were passed up to the three best players in the league with the best player ultimately always winning the Hart, regardless of their impact overall to their team compared to others who arguably had a bigger impact to their team.
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