24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[Detroit Knights]

He's not going to completely swing the moves he's going to make based off of 60 minutes of hockey. Come on, man. Y'all go so much more granular than any of these managers do. Yzerman knows what his plan is. You're going to convince yourself one way or another, if you're fully bought in on the prospects, you won't want him to deal anyone and will poopoo any offer. If you just want the playoffs, you'll see all of the reasonably priced guys go and say "Why no us?"

He's shown that he'll make a deal when he thinks the bargain is prosperous and he'll hold when he thinks it isn't. He didn't sell at the deadline a couple years ago because Ottawa won two in a row. He sold at that deadline because the Wings over a consistent stretch prior to that were not performing how he'd like.

This is like the people who get a stiffy about what some future prospect can be because he had a 1+1 game in the IIHF tournament.

If I gave the impression that I only think this is the game, then apologies, but that is just not what I meant. I am saying this is the game that pushes the needle forward on whatever his plan is. I am not saying this is the only game that matters in his decision making.

We got manhandled the first game against cbj a week before trade deadline. second game was close and competitive but it was a novelty game, so it is what it is.

couple these games with our previous 2 or 3. Now, you are going to go compete with a top team in the conference for the better part of a decade or so. How much fight does this team actually have? He has said before that he believed we are a wild card team at the lalonde firing presser. So, whatever happens in this game, will ultimately determine what this team is in his eyes, whether that confirms his beliefs from december, or it questions it and he has to go to the drawing board. (mostly because we'll only have one more game until the deadline if it's on friday and we are playing Utah on Thursday, which does nothing in favor to my argument)

I also wouldn't want him to get rid of prospects that are a part of the future plan, but at the same time, you can't say no to a trade that has a young enough player in our window (as yzerman has said is larkin and younger) for the "possibility" that x or y prospect is going to hit.

Berggren is great, but he is not being utilized for what he should be, so use him to trade for someone that can push us over the edge into the playoffs this year. Yes, I am okay with him being in a trade for a rental to get seider, raymond, ed, aljo, and larkin playoff experience with some of the vets we already have that have that experience. Berggren just has no future on this team and that really does suck, so just move on already. Throw in veleno for fun (wanted him gone for 3 years now).

Once you taste the playoffs, you don't want to lose it and we have been ruining Larkin for a decade and while it feels like he has had the taste in his mouth this and last season, you give him and other young guys that taste, it will not go away.

I do not care whatsoever if we go to the playoffs and lose 4-0 first round. That will show the young players how much harder they need to work in order to succeed and if they aren't up for it, then why would you want to find that out later? FAFO now.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

R. Andersson
M. Ferraro
B. Carlo
B. Tanev
R. Mcleod
R. Donato
S. Laughton


I imagine at least a few of those guys could be had for less than a 1st. Possibly a 2nd+

As much as I'd love to say go all in for Rantanen or EP or Byram or some shit like that, these level of players is what I'd expect Steve to make a move for. Lowish cost dudes that fill holes in the roster. Namely the penalty kill being atrocious, and having one of the worst bottom pair defense in the league.

I think you have more of an appetite for rentals than I do. I don't hate those names, but am not sure how some would fit long-term if we could re-sign them. For example I liked Ferraro going back to his draft year, but I can't see a blue line of him, Aljo and ASP in the future.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

I think you have more of an appetite for rentals than I do. I don't hate those names, but am not sure how some would fit long-term if we could re-sign them. For example I liked Ferraro going back to his draft year, but I can't see a blue line of him, Aljo and ASP in the future.

Not necessarily an appetite for rentals to drag us to a first round exit (the Kenny special), moreso someone to plug into Copps spot on the PK and a 3rd pair RD as an upgrade on Holl. Obviously with the rental aspect, buy as low as possible.

We shall see what happens. Maybe Rantanen loves our game so much tonight he demands a trade to Detroit!

 

[SirloinUB]

I think you have more of an appetite for rentals than I do. I don't hate those names, but am not sure how some would fit long-term if we could re-sign them. For example I liked Ferraro going back to his draft year, but I can't see a blue line of him, Aljo and ASP in the future.

I’m not necessarily advocating to pay these prices. In fact the opposite, most of those theoretical prices are too rich to me.

 

[jkutswings]

I think you have more of an appetite for rentals than I do. I don't hate those names, but am not sure how some would fit long-term if we could re-sign them. For example I liked Ferraro going back to his draft year, but I can't see a blue line of him, Aljo and ASP in the future.

I think your have more of an appetite for draft picks than I do. Even if a guy is a great rental, I'll take that over a second round draft pick that will likely never be more than an AHL player.

To be clear, I'm not preferring a rental. Not at all. But when I expect ZERO help going forward from picks outside the first round, even a good rental is better than nothing. (And even if it's not obvious how a guy might fit, I'd rather add a player I like and try to figure it out, versus standing pat with one or more players I can't wait to ditch.)

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

NHL Trade: Edmonton Oilers Acquire Trent Frederic From Boston

The Edmonton Oilers are making moves before the deadline acquiring Trent Frederic and Max Jones from Boston in a three team trade.

nhlrumors.com

When a guy consistently offers two pennies for a nickel or dime would you be ready to answer the phone or call him?

Does he?

 

[Euro Twins]

The hockey "writers" suggested going after Jamie Oleksiak for a kings ransom?!

Red Wings Could Benefit From Targeting Kraken’s Jamie Oleksiak at 2025 Trade Deadline - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

The Detroit Red Wings would benefit from targeting Seattle Kraken defender Jamie Oleksiak at the 2025 Trade Deadline.

thehockeywriters.com

"Red Wings acquiring Oleksiak in exchange for Albert Johansson, a 2025 second-round pick, a 2025 third-round pick, and a 2027 second-round pick..."

I wouldnt trade AJo for this guy straight up...
Wtf is this idiot talking about? This is comical....

I didn't see the part over the link that this was a hypothetical and I nearly vomited on my wife and child reading this.

Wow. That would be an awful trade

NHL Trade: Edmonton Oilers Acquire Trent Frederic From Boston

The Edmonton Oilers are making moves before the deadline acquiring Trent Frederic and Max Jones from Boston in a three team trade.

nhlrumors.com

When a guy consistently offers two pennies for a nickel or dime would you be ready to answer the phone or call him?

You must some insider info on what Steve offers in trade conversation.

It's more likely he asks what they want, and the answer also ends up at least with Kasper, edvinsson , or asp and he's not interested in trading them at this point.

We're not really in a position to be swinging big or even medium trades unless they're for picks at this point.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I think your have more of an appetite for draft picks than I do. Even if a guy is a great rental, I'll take that over a second round draft pick that will likely never be more than an AHL player.

To be clear, I'm not preferring a rental. Not at all. But when I expect ZERO help going forward from picks outside the first round, even a good rental is better than nothing.

My man, you just have deal fever. You clearly aren't the only one around here with so I won't hold it against you. I am trying to be a bit more realistic in terms of what we can reasonably expect from a trade market with six to eight real sellers.

In terms of picks, I actually have relatively little attachment to our pick in terms of making ultimate selections. I will even go so far as to bet that whoever we draft with out first round pick this year (if we still have it on draft day) is not likely to ever dress for the Wings given where we are in our competitive cycle. I do, however, value our picks as something that can be used to acquire a player I like more than the 20 or so names being thrown out at the trade deadline. I want to move our picks and prospects, but I want them to be moved for someone who has some prospect of helping us when we are really a competitive playoff team. Pure rentals don't put blood in my junk.

 

[Euro Twins]

I think your have more of an appetite for draft picks than I do. Even if a guy is a great rental, I'll take that over a second round draft pick that will likely never be more than an AHL player.

To be clear, I'm not preferring a rental. Not at all. But when I expect ZERO help going forward from picks outside the first round, even a good rental is better than nothing. (And even if it's not obvious how a guy might fit, I'd rather add a player I like and try to figure it out, versus standing pat with one or more players I can't wait to ditch.)

Why this though?

2019,

Round 2 AlJo

Round 6 Soderblom



2020

Round 2 wallinder

Round 3 Sebrango



2021

Round 2 Buium round

Round 3 Mazur round



2022

Round 2 Buchelnikov

Round 4 Lombardi



2023

Round 2 Augustine



2024 tbd

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

I believe Yzerman is literally waiting until after Thursday's game on whether to buy or sell. Win the next two buy, lose sell. Maybe has trades contigent on this too.

 

[Ricelund]

I bet they move Veleno. Isn’t he the last Holland pick left outside of Rasmussen and Larkin?

 

[RRhoads]

I bet they move Veleno. Isn’t he the last Holland pick left outside of Rasmussen and Larkin?

Burger too

 

[Euro Twins]

I bet they move Veleno. Isn’t he the last Holland pick left outside of Rasmussen and Larkin?

Berger too.

As far as I'm concerned they can move all Holland's picks except DBoss.

Rasmussen is huge. Like a gigantic wall of butter, supported by a handful of toothpicks.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Berger too.

As far as I'm concerned they can move all Holland's picks except DBoss.

Rasmussen is huge. Like a gigantic wall of butter, supported by a handful of toothpicks.

Crazy how Mantha and Ras are this big and soft as butter. Probert would have took that elbow from Zegras then ripped his head off next shift...

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Give me five trade targets you would like to pursue between now and Friday.

I get that many have deal fever and want a deal for entertainment purposes more than anything. The best, realistic name I personally have heard from posters is Carlo. I also support the suggestion that we use ASP + other assets to take a run at Dobson if he is actually available. The problem is that there just aren't enough sellers in the market. There is a ton of competition even for small upgrades I wouldn't mind.

Joel Armia and Jake Evans - if we’re looking for a plug and play 4th line that isn’t complete ass in their end and can produce 10-15 goals per season each.

Luke Schenn and Brayden Schenn - Expensive veterans that bring cup winning pedigree. It’d be a huge upgrade to 3RD and 2C.
Brock Nelson would be a huge upgrade to 2C and provide some decent defense.
JG Pageau - 3rd line center that wins 59% of his faceoffs. Still very solid defensively and can put up 35ish points a year.

Connor Murphy - Bottom pair D that plays steady yet unspectacular defensive. Would be great as a 15-18 minute a night guy with limited 5v5 and lots of PK time.
David Savard - he’d be a huge upgrade to the bottom pair as he’s more of a #4 defender. Apparently doesn’t want to leave Montreal but who knows? He’d be more expensive than Murphy.
Brian Doumoulin - I’d make the move if there was a way to send Gustafsson the other way and have a bottom pair of Doumoulin - Schenn/Murphy/Savard
Carson Soucy - Same as above.
Matt Grzelcyk - same as above

Jason Zucker - Would be a huge upgrade on that 3rd line with Soderblom and Rasmussen.
Anthony Beauvillier - same as above.
Rickard Rachel - same as above.
Brandon Tanev - same as above
Jared McCann - same as above

Most are pure rentals. Some are on short deals after. The point is to make a run at the playoffs and not miss by 1 point like last season. You make the move to signal to the team they need to make the postseason and you as management are behind them. Finishing outside looking in is considered a failure for this season so you make what moves you can without selling your best prospects to make that happen. And looking at the deals made so far it can be done.

 

[saska sault]

Joel Armia and Jake Evans - if we’re looking for a plug and play 4th line that isn’t complete ass in their end and can produce 10-15 goals per season each.

Luke Schenn and Brayden Schenn - Expensive veterans that bring cup winning pedigree. It’d be a huge upgrade to 3RD and 2C.
Brock Nelson would be a huge upgrade to 2C and provide some decent defense.
JG Pageau - 3rd line center that wins 59% of his faceoffs. Still very solid defensively and can put up 35ish points a year.

Connor Murphy - Bottom pair D that plays steady yet unspectacular defensive. Would be great as a 15-18 minute a night guy with limited 5v5 and lots of PK time.
David Savard - he’d be a huge upgrade to the bottom pair as he’s more of a #4 defender. Apparently doesn’t want to leave Montreal but who knows? He’d be more expensive than Murphy.
Brian Doumoulin - I’d make the move if there was a way to send Gustafsson the other way and have a bottom pair of Doumoulin - Schenn/Murphy/Savard
Carson Soucy - Same as above.
Matt Grzelcyk - same as above

Jason Zucker - Would be a huge upgrade on that 3rd line with Soderblom and Rasmussen.
Anthony Beauvillier - same as above.
Rickard Rachel - same as above.
Brandon Tanev - same as above
Jared McCann - same as above

Most are pure rentals. Some are on short deals after. The point is to make a run at the playoffs and not miss by 1 point like last season. You make the move to signal to the team they need to make the postseason and you as management are behind them. Finishing outside looking in is considered a failure for this season so you make what moves you can without selling your best prospects to make that happen. And looking at the deals made so far it can be done.

I would love McCann. I dont know if he plays much center in Seattle or not, but regardless he can score and has a lethal shot.

 

[jkutswings]

Why this though?

2019,

Round 2 AlJo

Round 6 Soderblom



2020

Round 2 wallinder

Round 3 Sebrango



2021

Round 2 Buium round

Round 3 Mazur round



2022

Round 2 Buchelnikov

Round 4 Lombardi



2023

Round 2 Augustine



2024 tbd

Because I want to make the playoffs this year, win a round next year, and start contending for championships in 2027. Not wait another five years for a draft pick made this summer to develop into a third pairing defenseman or a middle six winger that won't move the needle, let alone put Detroit over the top.

The Wings have done a fantastic job with first round picks, and I'm not complaining about their subsequent drafting. But once Cossa, Danielson, and ASP are in the NHL it's time to kick ass and take names, not keep waiting another 2-3 years for a few more fledglings to hopefully develop into depth players.

Unless the goal is to trade Grandpa Larkin and somehow find another center that fits a timeline for 2030 and beyond.

 

[Euro Twins]

Because I want to make the playoffs this year, win a round next year, and start contending for championships in 2027. Not wait another five years for a draft pick made this summer to develop into a third pairing defenseman or a middle six winger that won't move the needle, let alone put Detroit over the top.

The Wings have done a fantastic job with first round picks, and I'm not complaining about their subsequent drafting. But once Cossa, Danielson, and ASP are in the NHL it's time to kick ass and take names, not keep waiting another 2-3 years for a few more fledglings to hopefully develop into depth players.

Unless the goal is to trade Grandpa Larkin and somehow find another center that fits a timeline for 2030 and beyond.

I'm confused. You talk about not wanting to wait. But then you're talking about how it will be go time Ina year or two?

Improving the team is easier in the offseason not at the trade deadline. So if you're looking at being a better team NEXT season then now is not the time.

Also you are not making splashy moved long term with a 2nd round pick.

 

[dalem177]

Mantha

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Why this though?

2019,

Round 2 AlJo

Round 6 Soderblom



2020

Round 2 wallinder

Round 3 Sebrango



2021

Round 2 Buium round

Round 3 Mazur round



2022

Round 2 Buchelnikov

Round 4 Lombardi



2023

Round 2 Augustine



2024 tbd

Now look at the failures. 2nd to 4th round.

2018: McIsaac, Regular, Barton, Eliasson, O’Reily
2019: Tuomisto, Mastrosimone, Grewe, Philips
2020: Niederbach, Hanas, Viro, Sebrango, Stange, Bednar. Wallinder is also tracking here.
2021: Buium (he looks like a bottom pair at best D.) Red Savage (TBD)
2022: Dylan James (Buch, Lombardi, Johansson all look to have decent potential)
2023: Gibson, Cleveland, NDN, Keenan

That’s not many hits when you look at the sheer volume. 2019-2021 had some very notable misses in the 2nd to 4th rounds where hitting on even 2 of the 13 picks the Wings made in this range might have this team contending for 3rd in the division instead of last wildcard. But that was when the team was a bottom 6 team in the league.

Detroit’s now a mushy middle, 12th to 18th worst team in the league. To get out of that they need to make some notable improvements or they’re completely wasting Larkin’s prime and we’re looking at rebuild 2.0 in 3 years anyway.

Be assertive, be aggressive. Make moves to separate from the pack and begin climbing. Last season was the year to start that. They didn’t and it cost them a playoff berth. The wings shouldn’t make the same mistake again.

I would love McCann. I dont know if he plays much center in Seattle or not, but regardless he can score and has a lethal shot.

He’s 99% winger, but he’s got a hell of a shot and a line of Soderblom - Ras - McCann would be grindy and has enough talent to pitch in on offense.

 

[jkutswings]

My man, you just have deal fever. You clearly aren't the only one around here with so I won't hold it against you. I am trying to be a bit more realistic in terms of what we can reasonably expect from a trade market with six to eight real sellers.

In terms of picks, I actually have relatively little attachment to our pick in terms of making ultimate selections. I will even go so far as to bet that whoever we draft with out first round pick this year (if we still have it on draft day) is not likely to ever dress for the Wings given where we are in our competitive cycle. I do, however, value our picks as something that can be used to acquire a player I like more than the 20 or so names being thrown out at the trade deadline. I want to move our picks and prospects, but I want them to be moved for someone who has some prospect of helping us when we are really a competitive playoff team. Pure rentals don't put blood in my junk.

I don't have deal fever. I'm just consistent about still hating the handful of lousy free agents that I hated when they were signed.

Justin Holl never should have become a Red Wing. He blows and provides nothing worthwhile. Same for Petry. I also hated both the Copp and Compher signings, but I can at least understand the premium of the position and thereby the scarcity of anybody who's any good at being a center. (In fairness, Copp has provided some useful defensive play, even if he's usually where offense goes to die.)

On the blue line Yzerman found some of the most overcooked plugs in the league, rather than getting players that had anything left in the tank. So while a bigger trade for a long term fit would certainly be preferable, it's a long list of rentals that would improve the very low bar that Detroit has set for their depth on defense.

 

[jkutswings]

I'm confused. You talk about not wanting to wait. But then you're talking about how it will be go time Ina year or two?

I think Cossa / Nate / ASP will be impact players. Waiting a year for the last of the drafted core is not the same as waiting several years for a kid they haven't even picked yet and likely won't be impactful.

Improving the team is easier in the offseason not at the trade deadline. So if you're looking at being a better team NEXT season then now is not the time.

Agreed. If Yzerman stops using the summer to sign lousy plugs and actually makes a real trade. But you can make a small improvement now and and also a bigger one this summer. They're not mutually exclusive.

Also you are not making splashy moved long term with a 2nd round pick.

I never said splashy. But Holl and Petry are looking way up at the guys that are likely available at the deadline. It's still a noticeable roster improvement.

 

[better Red than Dead]

I’m hoping for an aggressive TDL and aggressive offseason from Yzerman. Being patient and building only from the draft while signing marginal FAs was fine when we weren’t a bubble team.

Detroit could be picking between 12 and 20 at the draft. It’ll take some aggressive wheeling and dealing to get out of that mushy middle. And that should include dumping Gus. The guy has been bad 90% of the time.

This ☝although I’m not looking for rentals unless they’re cheap, I want roster players who have term on their contracts and for the window. There are a few available and we have to be all over it, a guy like Cozens

 

[Euro Twins]

Now look at the failures. 2nd to 4th round.

2018: McIsaac, Regular, Barton, Eliasson, O’Reily
2019: Tuomisto, Mastrosimone, Grewe, Philips
2020: Niederbach, Hanas, Viro, Sebrango, Stange, Bednar. Wallinder is also tracking here.
2021: Buium (he looks like a bottom pair at best D.) Red Savage (TBD)
2022: Dylan James (Buch, Lombardi, Johansson all look to have decent potential)
2023: Gibson, Cleveland, NDN, Keenan

That’s not many hits when you look at the sheer volume. 2019-2021 had some very notable misses in the 2nd to 4th rounds where hitting on even 2 of the 13 picks the Wings made in this range might have this team contending for 3rd in the division instead of last wildcard. But that was when the team was a bottom 6 team in the league.

Detroit’s now a mushy middle, 12th to 18th worst team in the league. To get out of that they need to make some notable improvements or they’re completely wasting Larkin’s prime and we’re looking at rebuild 2.0 in 3 years anyway.

Be assertive, be aggressive. Make moves to separate from the pack and begin climbing. Last season was the year to start that. They didn’t and it cost them a playoff berth. The wings shouldn’t make the same mistake again.



He’s 99% winger, but he’s got a hell of a shot and a line of Soderblom - Ras - McCann would be grindy and has enough talent to pitch in on offense.

Lmfao. Are you actually being serious?

Of course we don't hit on most picks. No team does. Getting 2-3 good players every draft is nearly impossible.

But here you are LeTS LoOk At ThE pIcKs ThAt DiDnT pAn OuT

Can you please evidence to me even one team that has as many promising prospects over the last 5 years than us.

Please one team that has been getting 3-4 top tier prospects every draft since 2019.

If not you're a troll

Oh I also LOVE how you put Sebrango as a failure

*Checks notes* traded for debrincat

Interesting

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Joel Armia and Jake Evans - if we’re looking for a plug and play 4th line that isn’t complete ass in their end and can produce 10-15 goals per season each.

Luke Schenn and Brayden Schenn - Expensive veterans that bring cup winning pedigree. It’d be a huge upgrade to 3RD and 2C.
Brock Nelson would be a huge upgrade to 2C and provide some decent defense.
JG Pageau - 3rd line center that wins 59% of his faceoffs. Still very solid defensively and can put up 35ish points a year.

Connor Murphy - Bottom pair D that plays steady yet unspectacular defensive. Would be great as a 15-18 minute a night guy with limited 5v5 and lots of PK time.
David Savard - he’d be a huge upgrade to the bottom pair as he’s more of a #4 defender. Apparently doesn’t want to leave Montreal but who knows? He’d be more expensive than Murphy.
Brian Doumoulin - I’d make the move if there was a way to send Gustafsson the other way and have a bottom pair of Doumoulin - Schenn/Murphy/Savard
Carson Soucy - Same as above.
Matt Grzelcyk - same as above

Jason Zucker - Would be a huge upgrade on that 3rd line with Soderblom and Rasmussen.
Anthony Beauvillier - same as above.
Rickard Rachel - same as above.
Brandon Tanev - same as above
Jared McCann - same as above

Most are pure rentals. Some are on short deals after. The point is to make a run at the playoffs and not miss by 1 point like last season. You make the move to signal to the team they need to make the postseason and you as management are behind them. Finishing outside looking in is considered a failure for this season so you make what moves you can without selling your best prospects to make that happen. And looking at the deals made so far it can be done.

Of that lot I would consider Soucy, Doumoulin (on the cheap), Rachel and McCann. You can have the rest. If they are better than what we have on the roster and more importantly, what we can get over the summer, we should pursue. I personally don't want to throw away trade capital in a thin trade market just so we can chase a round of playoff hockey.