Value of: If Arizona offersheets Matthews what do you do?

[fsanford]

spend time reading lots of apocalyptic posts on HF Boards...
I am guessing the servers would overload and the place would shut down for awhile so would need to find alternative sites.

That is what I would do to start

After that I would lament that McDavid and Matthews are now both in the Pacific, which could only be offset if in fact the Kings had garnered the #1 pick in the draft.

Yep that is what I would do.

 

[LeafFever]

We don't know that, we do know they don't get signed but I gind it hard nobody offered Mcdavid a deal when he was an RFA for example

100% you have have heard about it.

 

[LeafFever]

I think its hilarious every Leafs fan says "oh yeah we can match anything"....thats BS. if they offer him 17 mil a season there is no way they match that.

At the same time all these fans say they match, they also on the next thread say they can get Matthews signed for 10 mil and Marner for 7.....you guys/girls are all delusional.

the max will be 15.9 I think. But is it anymore hilarious than non-Leaf fans claiming Arizona can afford that?

 

[patriotfan]

Again I'm only talking about if Arizona offersheets Matthews and the value is 4 1sts (any legitimate offersheet for Matthews will be 4 1sts)

Toronto's offer for McDavid could be something crazy like

4 1sts (remember those are Arizona unprotected 1st round picks)
2 1sts (from Toronto)
Sandin

Again I'm asking if Toronto should call Edmonton first before match Arizona offer, I have no idea what the offer would have to be with 6 1st round picks going one way (I'm just spit balling on the offer but the bulk of the value will be be Arizona 4 1sts).

For a team like Edmonton if they want to restart their rebuild but this time doing it properly this could be one hell of an offer

stop it already it not going to happen ever....

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Signing Matthews would put Arizona way over the salary floor. I don't see it.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Something else people need to realize is that Kyle Dubas must have learned from what he did wrong with the William Nylander negotiations and will make sure he can sign Matthews and Marner before July 1, 2019 so they avoid becoming RFA's and there is no threat of an offer sheet.

Also here is another example of how rare offer sheets are.

Sergei Federov signed that offer sheet with Carolina in February 1998 when he was an RFA and could not agree to a contract with Detroit and they eventually matched it. The next time an offer sheet happened was July 6, 2007 when the Oilers gave one to Tomas Vanek. So we are talking about a full 9 years between them and it's more proof that Matthews will get one from the Coyotes is complete crap.

You missed Kesler in 2006, the year before, but close enough. Your point is still valid.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Also for anyone interested, slightly relevant, but the history of NHL offersheets.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Anyone wanna take a shot at how much Matthews signing an offer sheet would add to the value of the Arizona franchise? If the owner plans to sell anyway, he could boost the value and dump it off without really paying Matthews out of his own pocket. It seems like the boost of ticket sales and merch would almost save that franchise by bringing in an owner that wants to compete.

This

OSing Matthews puts a ton of value into the franchise and would make it alot easier to sell.

Anybody thinking the Yotes wouldn't find money to sign the hometown boy is only fooling themselves. For an owner some are saying is "broke" I haven't heard of checks bouncing as of late.

Fact- Matthews makes the Yotes a more desirable buy, makes the team better, and would be worth a max OS.

Leaf fans should be worried

 

[Dr Quincy]

and i hate when people get offended when people talk about their player getting offersheeting when it's a real possibility. You can't see any reason why Matthews would sign an offersheet to Arizona? Money, Hometown, Be the guy who saved his saved his favorite team growing up from being relocated.

You should be the first to see how Matthews can turn a franchise around.

They can't pay him.

What do they have to lose, this is a BOLD move to save their franchise or else they will likely be relocated in the near future? As a owner would you not gamble on it? Worst case scenario you have to sell a team with a 20 year old Franchise Center signed long term.


don't act like the possibility isn't there, because it's likely happening if he gets past july 1st?

easy to fix? Yes, don't **** with matthews and give him a blank check to sign before he's eligible for the offersheet, because 1 you match, 2 you take the 4 x 1st round pick and hope Arizona fumbles. Wich could be a win for the Leafs but you just wasted Tavares's prime.

1)Money? From a team that is over $250 million in debt? With an owner trying to sell 49% of the team? In a market that has proven to be viable? In a market that can't deliver an arena the team thinks it needs? If I'm a player looking for $$ do I look at the richest team, with the most income or do I look for the shakiest ownership out there that isn't going to even be around by the time I sign this supposed offersheet?

2) Hometown.... this means way more to fans than players.

3) Players don't want to "save" a team. They want to win. Matthews alone isn't saving hockey in Arizona, and it's just as likely that he signs there and the team relocates at some point.

4) I'm not acting like it's not a possibilty. I'm acting like simply saying "We'll just offersheet him" is a simple thing and a foregone conclusion that the player would agree to.

 

[LeafFever]

It amazes me people are so quick to say Leafs are in "Cap Hell", but think a team that lost 50 million last season alone will have no issues offering the biggest contract in NHL history. Double-standard.

 

[LeafsNation75]

This

OSing Matthews puts a ton of value into the franchise and would make it alot easier to sell.

Anybody thinking the Yotes wouldn't find money to sign the hometown boy is only fooling themselves. For an owner some are saying is "broke" I haven't heard of checks bouncing as of late.

Fact- Matthews makes the Yotes a more desirable buy, makes the team better, and would be worth a max OS.

Leaf fans should be worried

When Matthews signs his new contract before July 1, 2019 and never becomes an RFA, thread topics like this are going to look stupid. You can click the link to see the history of offer sheets in the NHL and just how rare they are.

 

[LeafsNation75]

It amazes me people are so quick to say Leafs are in "Cap Hell", but think a team that lost 50 million last season alone will have no issues offering the biggest contract in NHL history. Double-standard.

Yet no one claims other teams like Tampa and Winnipeg are in "cap hell" with their own RFA's to re-sign.

 

[SML2]

Someone should offer sheet him just to make Toronto match a deal they didn't write. Do any side clauses need to get matched too? Like Phoenix offers him a percentage of ownership, or gives him a private jet at their expense, or takes all the brown M&Ms out of his candy dishes? You could have some real fun with that...

 

[Dog]

Someone should offer sheet him just to make Toronto match a deal they didn't write. Do any side clauses need to get matched too? Like Phoenix offers him a percentage of ownership, or gives him a private jet at their expense, or takes all the brown M&Ms out of his candy dishes? You could have some real fun with that...

Just want the 4 1st rounders.. You can litterally alter the team easily with using draft picks for trading. If Oilers would bite in dealing McDavid to Toronto I would do it. Having McDavid with Tavares +Kadri down the line is insane.

 

[Red Piller]

the max will be 15.9 I think. But is it anymore hilarious than non-Leaf fans claiming Arizona can afford that?

They must be paying their current players with pocket lint and buttons

 

[Llewzaher]

Also for anyone interested, slightly relevant, but the history of NHL offersheets.

wow thats a lot more than I thought

 

[LeafsNation75]

Someone should offer sheet him just to make Toronto match a deal they didn't write. Do any side clauses need to get matched too? Like Phoenix offers him a percentage of ownership, or gives him a private jet at their expense, or takes all the brown M&Ms out of his candy dishes? You could have some real fun with that...

I know your trying to make a joke with some of those things you mentioned, but they would not be allowed to be included in an offer sheet for any NHL player.

 

[thunder16]

He's instantly got a winger in Keller there for him, he has an OK defense. Wouldn't take but a year and they'd be in the top 5 in the league with all that younger talent.
Mathews and Arizona...……………….yea, it's a match made in heaven for sure...………………….local boy turns LOCAL HERO...………………………..And a legend is born.

They would have to borrow the money from the Leafs to sign him and can't afford the interest alone!
I'd also bet no one in Arizona even knows who Mathews is.
They'd have a better chance if Phil Mickelson learns how to play hockey.
Match made in Heaven? More like a joke out of hell!

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Can we add "Laugh" as a 3rd option?

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

When Matthews signs his new contract before July 1, 2019 and never becomes an RFA, thread topics like this are going to look stupid. You can click the link to see the history of offer sheets in the NHL and just how rare they are.

You can also see the history of top end players such as AM being out there long enough to be OSed and see how rare that is.

Leafs fans obviously don't see the benefit of actually losing AM to an offer sheet and stocking the team with cheap, high draft picks while they still have a deep core of young talent already, but that's besides the point.

If the Yotes would continue to be a bottom feeder team with AM, Leafs fans should be encouraging AM to accept an OS from the Yotes and being happy with four lottery picks to build and even more impressive core in this day and age of cost controlled young players being the premium.

The day and age of the Blackhawks template isn't happening of three Cups in six years.... Unless you cut bait with a proven superstar and reap the benefits of, say, four lottery picks.

 

[Loosie]

Arizona can't afford to offer sheet Matthews so I don't lose any sleep over it.

 

[LeafsNation75]

You can also see the history of top end players such as AM being out there long enough to be OSed and see how rare that is.

Leafs fans obviously don't see the benefit of actually losing AM to an offer sheet and stocking the team with cheap, high draft picks while they still have a deep core of young talent already, but that's besides the point.

If the Yotes would continue to be a bottom feeder team with AM, Leafs fans should be encouraging AM to accept an OS from the Yotes and being happy with four lottery picks to build and even more impressive core in this day and age of cost controlled young players being the premium.

The day and age of the Blackhawks template isn't happening of three Cups in six years.... Unless you cut bait with a proven superstar and reap the benefits of, say, four lottery picks.

When Steven Stamkos was an RFA after his ELC had finished he was not re-signed until July 18, 2011. However he never got an offer sheet despite already having 51 goals in his 2nd season and 45 goals in his 3rd season.

 

[Snarky Coyote]

Ok so here goes.
Arizona can afford to pay him 14 mill a year easy. Anyone who says they cannot does not understand how the salary cap works. What they cannot do is afford to sign him and sign the complementary pieces to make this team a contender. This means although an offer sheet makes sense for Arizona it makes no sense for AM. So unless A) AM wants to be known as the savior in the desert singlehandedly leading to multiple Stanley cups OR B) Bob Parsons buys the team and then its totally possible to have a max cap team since he has more money than God there is no earthly reason for this to be a topic of debate.

Arizona has had shit ownership every year of their existence here. There are lots of reasons that its not working here and plenty of blame to go around. Having said that these threads are really just an excuse to kick the Coyotes around. We can keep these threads up till AM resigns, and then hopefully this can stop.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

I hate how fans talk about a team "offer sheeting" or "giving an offer sheet" to somebody. The player has to sign an offersheet, and I can't see any reason why Matthews would sign in Arizona.

Really!!! American kid, born and raised there, idolized the Yotes growing up. Can live in relative anonymity, community wise. Remember, this is the kid who spurned the normal hockey route and took the money to play in Europe. I am not convinced he is completely happy in Toronto. He is playing second fiddle to JT and Marner. I know it is blasphemy to Leaf fans, of which I am one, but maybe trade 34 in the offseason. Get quite a haul for him and fix a lot of warts. And if the Leafs do win a Cup, they can still give him a ring, like the 04 Red Sox did with Nomar. He still would have helped them win, be it in a secondary manner.

 

[JT Kreider]

Can't the Leafs just trade Marleau/Kadri/Nylander (doubtful anyone takes Zaitsev and his contract) and that makes up more than enough cap space to sign Marner and Matthews to $10 million + contracts.

Assuming the Leafs are desperate they could make this work by offering the Rangers a 2nd to buyout Marleau and the Leafs can re-sign him for cheap. Trade Nylander to the Canes for Gauthier/Bean/etc (or any team for a similar collection of cost controlled NHL ready prospects). Kadri for a young cost controlled defensemen or a first and some slight additions. They'd probably be losing some value in these trades but it wouldn't be a catostrophic loss; you gotta do what you gotta do to clean up some cap space. Welcome to perennial contendership in the salary cap NHL.

I just can't imagine a scenario where both Matthews and Marner aren't signed long term. Probably should have traded Nylander though the second training camp started and he was a no show.