Looks more like people have no clue what "losing a room" actually looks like, and just wanted to blame somebody that they already didn't like.
I'd give Keefe till the 20 game mark
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Whatever you may want to say about Keefe (his usage of certain players, inability to put one away in OT), he has this team playing some of their best defensive hockey. The players are still clearly buying in.
He made a great call coming back to Murray last night after the terrible OT goal.
Murray rewarded him.
All in all with the cards he has been dealt, he has done a remarkable job getting this team to play a winning brand of hockey.
If they go out again in the first round then he probably ahould be gone. As well as the front office.
There will be some more losing spells before all is said and done, and they might well lose again in the first round of the playoffs.
However, they're still a pretty good team with a genuine chance to win it all. That's all I want from them, year-in year-out. Good entertaining hockey, win or lose.
It would be too dull if they were so good that everyone knows they will win before the playoffs even start.
It's a bit premature to fire everyone and start over every time they go on a losing streak. The Leafs are too good a team for that.
I've also had my fill of what Kyle inherited from Lou. Nothing wrong with Lou, but he's not here anymore, and while he was here he had share of breaks too. No need for comparisons. The passage of time doesn't work like that.
Time to sit back and enjoy.
I would rather Leafs Nation unveil its fury on some other franchises. The Islanders. The Habs. The Bruins. The Lightning -- and especially the Bruins and the Lightning if they should eliminate the Leafs again!
However, they're still a pretty good team with a genuine chance to win it all. That's all I want from them, year-in year-out. Good entertaining hockey, win or lose.
It would be too dull if they were so good that everyone knows they will win before the playoffs even start.
It's a bit premature to fire everyone and start over every time they go on a losing streak. The Leafs are too good a team for that.
I've also had my fill of what Kyle inherited from Lou. Nothing wrong with Lou, but he's not here anymore, and while he was here he had share of breaks too. No need for comparisons. The passage of time doesn't work like that.
Time to sit back and enjoy.
I would rather Leafs Nation unveil its fury on some other franchises. The Islanders. The Habs. The Bruins. The Lightning -- and especially the Bruins and the Lightning if they should eliminate the Leafs again!
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I disagree.
They're managers, not soothsayers.
It's management's job to put a good team on the ice, which they've done.
It's up to the coaches and mainly the players to find the will to win when the time comes.
If the plan doesn't work, then they need to adjust it and try and try again. Change for the sake of change is as useless as churning your investments. Counterproductive too.
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Would have to agree with this. Hopefully this trend continues when they get some of their regulars back on defense and they don't start to cheat to offense.
I am not a fire Keefe or Dubas guy at all.
4 straight 1st round losses would be a tough pill to swallow. I don't even believe Keefe gets outcoached.
He can't put the puck in the net or make a key save at a crucial time.
He has put players in a situation and system that they can succeed and they keep falling short.
But prosports has a short shelf life for coaches that don't win when expectations are high
Isaac Nootin
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So where are we at with this? Has Keefe done enough to earn another 20 games, or have you seen enough?
Racer88
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Maybe he addressed issues if there were any and won the room back. Maybe Dubas addressed the players and said that akeefe was not going anywhere so they better nut up and get their act in gear.
Did this happen…..who knows but it could have
He has done enough to keep his job until we see what he can do in the playoffs.
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While obviously, playoff success is what needs to happen eventually, just like to point out that since taking the reins, only two teams have had a better point percentage than Toronto: Colorado (.694) and Boston (.688) with Toronto coming in at .686 (113 point pace). That needs to sink in. The pace of his entire tenure is 8% higher than the previous all time best season.
What's important is whether we are seeing progression, which to me, we are. We aren't winning Edmonton hockey games (outscoring our problems). In fact, despite this being the highest scoring time of hockey since 93, last night marked only the 4th time Toronto (with all its offense) scored 5 or more goals and first time more than 5. Rather we are second in GAA and playing a well rounded game and most importantly, regardless of all the injuries systematically it seems we can just plug and play whomever, wherever and the machine keeps chugging.
We still need playoff wins but for me, everything is trending as I would want to see.
What's important is whether we are seeing progression, which to me, we are. We aren't winning Edmonton hockey games (outscoring our problems). In fact, despite this being the highest scoring time of hockey since 93, last night marked only the 4th time Toronto (with all its offense) scored 5 or more goals and first time more than 5. Rather we are second in GAA and playing a well rounded game and most importantly, regardless of all the injuries systematically it seems we can just plug and play whomever, wherever and the machine keeps chugging.
We still need playoff wins but for me, everything is trending as I would want to see.
Why would we assume silly, far-fetched scenarios that we have no reason to believe happened? Maybe our fans should learn to accept the normal highs and lows that are a part of hockey and not go into apocalyptic mode during every bump in the road.
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Because that's what a minority of this fan base does.
Like immediately wanting to fire Dubas for trading a 6'9" AHL player, for a serviceable NHL right shot Dman........because......size?
Rants Mulliniks
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Or at the very least have the foresight to realize that every single season the first 10 - 20 games sees a bunch of bottom feeders overachieve and a bunch of elite teams start slowly until everyone gets their groove. It's also kind of the fundamental reason folks talk about sample size. Over time, cream rises. I remember telling one "sky is falling" poster to "talk to me after 20 games". Haven't heard from them.
Cripes even among the few games we lost in regulation, several were in the last minute or two.
No doubt in my mind that this team turned things around when Keefe made the decision to separate Marner from Matthews.
I was never a fan of them playing together. They get too cutesy-putesy, over-pass the puck, and become too predictable.
They are both so insanely talented that they work well with anyone, and Tavares and Nylander are top-tier talent to work with.
Once that changed, along with the outstanding goaltending that Murray/Samsonov have provided, the goals and the wins started, which only perpetuates the buy-in from everyone.
Significant decision made by Keefe here, and clearly the right one......
I was never a fan of them playing together. They get too cutesy-putesy, over-pass the puck, and become too predictable.
They are both so insanely talented that they work well with anyone, and Tavares and Nylander are top-tier talent to work with.
Once that changed, along with the outstanding goaltending that Murray/Samsonov have provided, the goals and the wins started, which only perpetuates the buy-in from everyone.
Significant decision made by Keefe here, and clearly the right one......
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That’s to balance out the other small minority that wears blue and white goggles and think Dubas can do no wrong
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Leafblooded
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For at least half of us it's been most of our lives of futility. The failure hurts
Had the goalies not turned out as they have things would've been much worse this season
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And the Leafs with that win compiled a 12-1-3 record. Knee jerk reactions make for bad team and management decisions.
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Aashir
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They have turned it around, I wasn’t expecting them to do this, but do have to admit that it’s impressive, hopefully they keep up the good play
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Dreakmur
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Should have, could have...
The goalies have worked out (so far), so it doesn't matter what could have happened if they didn't. All that matters is what actually happens, win or lose.
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