Post-Game Talk: Ice Pigeon

[Raspewtin]

can’t win ‘em all and it was a good effort

i am concerned that as soon as things went south, Krav got benched for Brodzinski (??????)

trochek and kreider really have something going

refs were dog shit but that’s already been beaten

move on

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Thought they played one of their better games as of late (albeit not a 60 min effort)...3 posts, missed calls, and they lose.

It's a meme at this point.

My concern is that Gallant doesn't just stick with what worked well for most of the game. FFS just do less sometimes.

 

[chosen]

Blaming the refs is weak. It's always weak. The paranoia that the refs are against us is stupid and can be found on every team page here. That would mean the refs are biased against everyone. Sound logic.

If you think they're incompetent, you've probably never reffed in your life. Reffing hockey is hard.

Football calls are almost totally arbitrary and there is at least one penalty on every single play. Yet, no one knows when something will or won't be called.

In the NBA, traveling is almost never called anymore even though players switch pivot feet and often take 3 or 4 extra steps.

Jarry stole a game like Shesterkin has done many times.

Hating Blais makes no sense to me. He's a zero because of a dirty play that caused an injury that always takes a year to recover from. It's not his fault. That said, he shouldn't be dressing.

Crosby's play on his goal was a great example of what makes him special. He pounced like a predator on prey.

They lose one damn game and some people's hair catch on fire.

I truly believe some here take delight in losses so they can air their personal grievances that they air almost every single day.

 

[kovazub94]

I don’t think Jarry made any real crazy saves. He was just solid. The posts more than anything were the difference. He was beaten clean multiple times and got lucky. We should have been up 2 or 3-0 at the end of the first and thru the first half of the second.

Loss stings still game we should have had

Agree. When we see the chart it probably will not show an advantage in high danger shots but we should see it in mid.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Blaming the refs is weak. It's always weak. The paranoia that the refs are against us is stupid and can be found on every team page here. That would mean the refs are biased against everyone. Sound logic.

If you think they're incompetent, you've probably never reffed in your life. Reffing hockey is hard.

Football calls are almost totally arbitrary and there is at least one penalty on every single play. Yet, no one knows when something will or won't be called.

In the NBA, traveling is almost never called anymore even though players switch pivot feet and often take 3 or 4 extra steps.

Jarry stole a game like Shesterkin has done many times.

Hating Blais makes no sense to me. He's a zero because of a dirty play that caused an injury that always takes a year to recover from. It's not his fault. That said, he shouldn't be dressing.

Crosby's play on his goal was a great example of what makes him special. He pounced like a predator on prey.

They lose one damn game and some people's hair catch on fire.

I truly believe some here take delight in losses so they can air their personal grievances that they air almost every single day.

the refs still sucked, ive played hockey for almost 30 years.....refs being terrible happens

but tonight was egregious

 

[kovazub94]

i am concerned that as soon as things went south, Krav got benched for Brodzinski (??????)

Nope. Kravtsov was the first to get a look with Zibanejad and Panarin in the 3rd. He did nothing on a few shifts and joined Blais on the bench for the rest of the game.

 

[Kocur26]

Literally the worst player in sports

Sammy Blais unlikely to hold spot in New York Rangers lineup - Forever Blueshirts

Sammy Blais unlikely to hold a spot in New York Rangers lineup

www.foreverblueshirts.com

 

[tlk]

Literally the worst player in sports

Sammy Blais unlikely to hold spot in New York Rangers lineup - Forever Blueshirts

Sammy Blais unlikely to hold a spot in New York Rangers lineup

www.foreverblueshirts.com

tho I'd cut down on this it's becoming a tad tedious

 

[Peltz]

Blaming the refs is weak. It's always weak. The paranoia that the refs are against us is stupid and can be found on every team page here. That would mean the refs are biased against everyone. Sound logic.

If you think they're incompetent, you've probably never reffed in your life. Reffing hockey is hard.

Football calls are almost totally arbitrary and there is at least one penalty on every single play. Yet, no one knows when something will or won't be called.

In the NBA, traveling is almost never called anymore even though players switch pivot feet and often take 3 or 4 extra steps.

Jarry stole a game like Shesterkin has done many times.

Hating Blais makes no sense to me. He's a zero because of a dirty play that caused an injury that always takes a year to recover from. It's not his fault. That said, he shouldn't be dressing.

Crosby's play on his goal was a great example of what makes him special. He pounced like a predator on prey.

They lose one damn game and some people's hair catch on fire.

I truly believe some here take delight in losses so they can air their personal grievances that they air almost every single day.

This is all correct. Well said.

They lost a close game to a tough rival. It is what it is. I didn’t hate the way they played.

 

[will1066]

Thought they played one of their better games as of late (albeit not a 60 min effort)...3 posts, missed calls, and they lose.

It's a meme at this point.

My concern is that Gallant doesn't just stick with what worked well for most of the game. FFS just do less sometimes.

He benched Blais, which cut to 3 lines, but wanted Brodz and Kravt to get shifts so he juggled a bit but did go back to the original top 9 configuration

 

[leetch99]

I went to the Austria Germany pre tourney game in Antigonish but I'm too busy at this time with hockey to go to much else. Did you?

I have no plans...but I have a friend with tickets available if I change my mind . It's almost an over night trip this time of year .

 

[Off Sides]

"It wasn't much but I wanted to get a f***in' penalty against Nashville early in the..." -Tim Peel

Game management does not mean the refs are against, or for any particular team, it partially means they call penalties with an effort in trying to give each team about the same amount. It's similar to the saying, "they put the whistle away" that too is game management.

It's not going away, the Rangers should familiarize themselves and their players about it and try to see if they can gain some advantages. If the score is tied or close late in the 3rd, and the penalties to that point are near even, the borderline plays (and some stuff beyond that) which would normally would be illegal becomes legal for both teams, yet only some teams understand that they can take advantage of it.

That is not complaining about the refs, that is seeing a situation which exists due to the human nature of the refs and trying to use it to ones advantage.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Gauthier better be in for Blais.

 

[leetch99]

They made a rule change a couple years ago, the team that iced the puck isn't allowed to call a timeout.

OK....I knew that and had completely forgotten about it....thank you for that info.....makes sense now.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Of all the ways to end a 7 game winning streak, I can't be mad about that game. It was a great effort, thought we were the better team, but we didn't get the breaks. Credit to the team that they pushed back right to the end. Trouba and miller are starting to pick it up which is great, and while I'm not saying harpur is ideal or even good, it's almost hilarious how much better he's been than hajek. Good for him.

 

[Larrybiv]

"It wasn't much but I wanted to get a f***in' penalty against Nashville early in the..." -Tim Peel

Game management does not mean the refs are against, or for any particular team, it partially means they call penalties with an effort in trying to give each team about the same amount. It's similar to the saying, "they put the whistle away" that too is game management.

It's not going away, the Rangers should familiarize themselves and their players about it and try to see if they can gain some advantages. If the score is tied or close late in the 3rd, and the penalties to that point are near even, the borderline plays (and some stuff beyond that) which would normally would be illegal becomes legal for both teams, yet only some teams understand that they can take advantage of it.

That is not complaining about the refs, that is seeing a situation which exists due to the human nature of the refs and trying to use it to ones advantage.

with a name like "off sides" it is pretty obvious you have agood grasp on how shit works. I don't carfe too much for belly aching about the refs, but is kind of fun screaming at the TV. That said, it's not like "we don't know how things work" when we play Pitt.
so, my question is......why doesnt GG point out about "being careful on what you do" (Blais play), I mean, what he did wasn't so egregious, and happens 10 fold worse many times over, so there is that. This is why many are peeved. etc. etc.
In regard to your last paragraph, I like that too. If the calls were 5-2 in favor of the Rangers, you had rest assured the next 1 or 2 are going against them, so don't MAKE them have to call it. Be smart.

Blaming the refs is weak. It's always weak. The paranoia that the refs are against us is stupid and can be found on every team page here. That would mean the refs are biased against everyone. Sound logic.

If you think they're incompetent, you've probably never reffed in your life. Reffing hockey is hard.

Football calls are almost totally arbitrary and there is at least one penalty on every single play. Yet, no one knows when something will or won't be called.

In the NBA, traveling is almost never called anymore even though players switch pivot feet and often take 3 or 4 extra steps.

Jarry stole a game like Shesterkin has done many times.

Hating Blais makes no sense to me. He's a zero because of a dirty play that caused an injury that always takes a year to recover from. It's not his fault. That said, he shouldn't be dressing.

Crosby's play on his goal was a great example of what makes him special. He pounced like a predator on prey.

They lose one damn game and some people's hair catch on fire.

I truly believe some here take delight in losses so they can air their personal grievances that they air almost every single day.

My hair isn't on fire, but will admit I almost tossed the remote at some point. (again, that Sammy call) yelling stupid, how can you be so stupid?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

It is alarmingly easy to knock lafreniere off the puck.

He’s not gonna progress at all until he gets better at this

 

[Kovalev27]

We didn’t lose because of the refs. We lost because 1. we couldn’t grow the 1-0 lead to 2 or 3-0 when we were completely controlling the game. 2. Sammy Blais took an extremely selfish penalty against a great power play late in the 2nd period when the momentum was all Pitt and we just needed to get out of the period tied. It was egregious and he shouldn’t play another minute for a long time

 

[Kocur26]

It is alarmingly easy to knock lafreniere off the puck.

He’s not gonna progress at all until he gets better at this

He has no idea what to do with the puck he panics

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The UN human rights council would have called three f***ing special meetings, condemning these crimes against humanity.

Absolutely shocking non call, absolute joke that can't be challenged. Worst part, not surprised, it's the Pens, we have seen this for 15 years.

You can't make every call reviewable.

 

[Lion Hound]

Tough loss for the Rangers last night. The game was arguably the most intense back and forth game they've played this season. It was a chess match and unfortunately the good guys lost. Games like last nights, puckluck matters. Couple of Posts, maybe even a crossbar. Couldn't tell if it hit the glove or not. Biggest takeway IMO is that this club is competitive again against other clubs that are likely headed into the playoffs.

Can't blame the officials for the outcome, but the non call on Zibanejad play was really bad officiating. Wasn't much time left at that point but they should have been on their 4th PP there.

Pens were good last night at also blocking shots. I think the game seemed more lopsided in favor of the Rangers but the Pens blocked 21 of those attempts last night. Little things matter.

Sucks that Blais hasn't worked out. I didn't like the trade when it happened. Partly as Buch was a fan favorite of mine. The value seemed very lopsided from the outset in favor of the Blues. What I didn't like the most was Buch was still protected being an RFA. Yes, the Rangers were cap crunched,, however there was some room there. At the end of the day Drury's decision, was largely due to want. He wanted a team tougher to play against. More physical. Blais fit that mold, and gained some favor prior to with his ability to forecheck. He was excellent at it. He was also excellent at the thunderous hits. Post injury, not so much. He's still physical. He's been credited with 100 hits in 30 games. 2nd on the club in that category only to Trouba who gets much more icetime. But, he's here to also be able to contribute in other areas. Unfortunately, 0 goals on the year and 0 goals in his entire NYR tenure is well...Really bad! Lastly, when he came there was talk that he might have the skills to play in a top 6 role. This i think is where Drury lost the trade. Buch was a top 6 guy, and well on his way. He is now PPG player for the Blues for his 2nd straight season. The fear was that he would cost too much but at $5.8 Million dollar cap hit, that is a real nice contract for a PPG player. Especially for a player who adapted well to the Right side, which seems to be the area of concern for the Rangers being they keep trying to find players for that top 6 RW slot. Buch or Vesey? Buch or Goodrow? It is what it is and at this point, Drury you lost that one. I don't fault Blais for the loss. It was a bad penalty to take, I don't fault Blais for the injury. These things happen. We likely have seen the last of him as he's an expiring asset for a cap crunched hockey club. If Blais does return to form, it's likely that it won't be in a NYR sweater. This time next season the board maybe saying. Can you believe Blais has a new home and is scoring goals? If so, good for him, bad for us. As much as i disliked that trade its still not as bad as the McDonagh trade.


Credit the Pens on two things here.
1) They are 4th` in the league on their PK. There's a reason for it. They are good at it. Killed 3 Penalties on the night.
2) They were into it. They were loud. Can't remember a game vs the Pens in reguar season in their barn where the fans were as vocal.

 

[will1066]

"Those aren't Troubs, Joe. They're boos. Boos."

 

[Lion Hound]

It is alarmingly easy to knock lafreniere off the puck.

He’s not gonna progress at all until he gets better at this

Would like to see where he stands on the team in terms of giveaways. That's not the easiest stat to measure cause if you look at the box scores, they don't always get credited accurately. With that said, looking at the box score Lafreniere hasent coughed up the puck in the last 3 games. He has like 1 giveaway in the past 6 games.

Rangers do have 2 players in the top 25 leaguewide that cough up the puck. They are also 2 of the best players on the team, so its tough to factor how much this actually hurts a players value. Panarin and Fox are both on that list.


I do see hesitatation with Lafreniere. Sometimes it seems that he gets the puck and is a step behind in making the right decision. I think that will come with playing time though. When he is on, we see glimpses of what everyone was expecting when he went 1OA. Unfortunately we don't seem to see this on a regular basis. Im also on the side of the fence that doesn't like the usage of the player. Limited icetime, limited role, buried on a depth chart. Glad that Gallant has caved in and he was getting more minutes.

 

[NikC]

Anyone who watches the sport of hockey and blames the game on the officiating is being facetious. Who really believes the ENTIRE GAME was lost based on poor officiating? if you want to say that officiating in general is difficult, i'll give you that.

To say that poor officiating doesn't play a part in some losses that's just BS! I've watched the sport long enough just like many of you, and if you can't admit to this, i don't know what to tell you. I think some of you, see this as "weak argument" for losses and it hurts your ego.

If the officiating can't make a call on a player getting tripped to the ice on route to goalie like Zabinajad was, what are they looking at? In round 3 of last seasons playoffs, game 3 when the refs decided to call Trouba on 3 straight penalties because that crybaby coach in TAmpa threw a fit that the NYR scored on every PP They had..
what was that?

There are far too many examples of just Poor officiating that ruins the credibility of this sport.
If there is one thing A.I replaces in the future, i hope its the crap officiating that has ruined this sport for years.

 

[gravey9]

with a name like "off sides" it is pretty obvious you have agood grasp on how shit works. I don't carfe too much for belly aching about the refs, but is kind of fun screaming at the TV. That said, it's not like "we don't know how things work" when we play Pitt.
so, my question is......why doesnt GG point out about "being careful on what you do" (Blais play), I mean, what he did wasn't so egregious, and happens 10 fold worse many times over, so there is that. This is why many are peeved. etc. etc.
In regard to your last paragraph, I like that too. If the calls were 5-2 in favor of the Rangers, you had rest assured the next 1 or 2 are going against them, so don't MAKE them have to call it. Be smart.

My hair isn't on fire, but will admit I almost tossed the remote at some point. (again, that Sammy call) yelling stupid, how can you be so stupid?

I tend to agree that refs manage games in all sports. Esp if they think they missed something earlier in the game. And I deeply appreciate when refs do their best to avoid calling penalties late in close games. But if a call is super obvious like the Zibby trip last night you need to have the backbone to call it. It’s no diff than calling a penalty shot in soccer in the injury time. The trip on Zib removed a scoring chance late in a one goal game. Not calling it has as much impact as calling it. So fans have every right to be irked. And getting irked doesn’t mean you suddenly believe there’s a grand conspiracy against your team.

Last night, that one missed call was compounded by many bad calls, likely across the board for both teams. The other truly bad call was blowing the whistle when the net came off. That’s a standard continuation play. Refs are literally not supposed to blow the whistle.

In general, I do feel like refs in the NHL must be taught on some level to keep regular season games more entertaining. it’s better for the league when the games are close. And it’s better for the league to wake up a boring game with some PPs. It’s just always felt like that compared to non pro league officiating and the playoffs. It makes sense as soooo many regular season games have come to lack passion, hitting and fighting. The players have become far more aware of their contracts, staying healthy and other concerns. As a result goals, saves, offensive flair and penalties account for nearly all the entertainment factor in a regular season game. I can’t imagine running a biz where penalty calls directly impact the entertainment value and fan interest and somehow not talking about it with the refs. Again it’s not nec about fairness, it’s about managing the excitement of a game. Which to me, makes the non call on Zib all the more perplexing. That call would have made the game more exciting.