GDT: 4-Nations Games

[PlayOn]

Brady timed his free agency perfectly. While I don't think he would have stayed here after a bridge deal, it would have probably worked out better for us in the long run if we had to re-up him 2-3 years ago. The cap is expected to be 113M during his last contract year. Let's say it goes a few million to 117M in 2028-29 when he would have the option to test unrestricted free agency.

Panarin would be the last comparable UFA to Brady to hit the open market, he signed for 13.2 percent of the salary cap. That would be 15.44M under a 117M cap ceiling. Guentzel got 10.2 percent last year, which under a 117M cap would be a 11.93M.

Anywhere between 12 and 16 probably sounds right under a almost 120M cap ceiling. NMC. Frontloaded. Signing bonuses. Keys to the CTC, etc.

If we get four serious chances at playoffs out of him, and then he leaves, it is what it is. I have a hard time believing we are going to retain him after free agency, I'm not even sure he will be here come July 1st if we don't do some damage in the playoffs. I also think this tournament, and all the Canada/America tension is going to work against him staying in the short term. If he was even remotely unhappy here, and if his wife is nagging him to get Staios to accept Marino, Holtz, and a 2nd from New Jersey, then the current climate is just the cherry on top, or the straw that broke the Tkachuk's trade request. His NMC kicking in on July 1st gives him leverage to say "I'm not asking for a trade, but it would be pretty unfortuante if my NMC kicked in and I realized I wasn't too happy here, capiche."

If you're his super agent family you're looking at this guy and knowing he belongs in a big American market where he can win and become a household name. With his wife being from Jersey, the Rangers stuff makes my Senspiracy theories run wild about who could have been behind it.

Matthew Tkachuk will probably like this post with this throwaway account.

I don’t know, if we’re a contender, it’s a pretty appealing pitch.

- We can give him the eighth year
- His legacy here will be cemented, at 29 years old I don’t think he’s super likely to go elsewhere and be so revered in that market given that he will probably slow down
- he will still get exposure through playoff runs and now with the international tournaments happening every two years, more opportunities with that

I don’t have a lot of confidence that we will be that level of a contender though, and I don’t expect him to stay if we aren’t, so I still think it’s likely that he leaves. In the perfect scenario though where we’re a legitimate threat to win, he can retire with Alfie level status. From an ego standpoint not sure he would wanna give that up.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Brady timed his free agency perfectly. While I don't think he would have stayed here after a bridge deal, it would have probably worked out better for us in the long run if we had to re-up him 2-3 years ago. The cap is expected to be 113M during his last contract year. Let's say it goes a few million to 117M in 2028-29 when he would have the option to test unrestricted free agency.

Panarin would be the last comparable UFA to Brady to hit the open market, he signed for 13.2 percent of the salary cap. That would be 15.44M under a 117M cap ceiling. Guentzel got 10.2 percent last year, which under a 117M cap would be a 11.93M.

Anywhere between 12 and 16 probably sounds right under a almost 120M cap ceiling. NMC. Frontloaded. Signing bonuses. Keys to the CTC, etc.

If we get four serious chances at playoffs out of him, and then he leaves, it is what it is. I have a hard time believing we are going to retain him after free agency, I'm not even sure he will be here come July 1st if we don't do some damage in the playoffs. I also think this tournament, and all the Canada/America tension is going to work against him staying in the short term. If he was even remotely unhappy here, and if his wife is nagging him to get Staios to accept Marino, Holtz, and a 2nd from New Jersey, then the current climate is just the cherry on top, or the straw that broke the Tkachuk's trade request. His NMC kicking in on July 1st gives him leverage to say "I'm not asking for a trade, but it would be pretty unfortuante if my NMC kicked in and I realized I wasn't too happy here, capiche."

If you're his super agent family you're looking at this guy and knowing he belongs in a big American market where he can win and become a household name. With his wife being from Jersey, the Rangers stuff makes my Senspiracy theories run wild about who could have been behind it.

Matthew Tkachuk will probably like this post with this throwaway account.

Doesn’t John Marino play for Utah now?

But, back to your point (sorry for the diversion), I don’t think you can ignore the idea that he could leave. I think the other factor is that Americans tend to understand American systems in general & look less favourably on environments in other countries.

 

[PatrickEaves]

I wish we could downvote posts.

As the footy Brits say:

Club > Country

 

[HoweHullOrr]

USA winning will be more beneficial for Ottawa. Having Tkachuk and Sanderson fulfilling that itch of winning something is way more important than Canada winning.

In that scenario though, they would have won playing for another organization versus the Senators, so not sure that assumption would apply. We could hope it would of course.

 

[LuckyPierre]

I was thinking it prior to this tournament, and his play and the response from the American media and casual fans has only reinforced this notion, in a big way - Brady is as good as gone this offseason. He's done too many laps of the track here with no real support, and he is legit an A-list sports superstar in waiting if in the right market.

If GMSS is shrewd, he'll make a Lindros type deal. Lord knows there will be that kind of demand from around the league. Max out the return and become a contender in spite of losing Brady.

 

[Back in Black]

48 hours to gO

 

[IpsoPostFacto]

48 hours to gO

I wanna be sedated

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I was thinking it prior to this tournament, and his play and the response from the American media and casual fans has only reinforced this notion, in a big way - Brady is as good as gone this offseason. He's done too many laps of the track here with no real support, and he is legit an A-list sports superstar in waiting if in the right market.

If GMSS is shrewd, he'll make a Lindros type deal. Lord knows there will be that kind of demand from around the league. Max out the return and become a contender in spite of losing Brady.

For the last time, we aren't relocating to Quebec. Spartacat just liked the look of the jersey, that's all.

 

[OD99]

USA winning will be more beneficial for Ottawa. Having Tkachuk and Sanderson fulfilling that itch of winning something is way more important than Canada winning.

It would actually better for us if they lose and continue to have that burning desire to be on the right side of a series.

They are so close they can taste it. Crush their dreams now and have them extra motivated to make it to the dance in the spring.

 

[NyQuil]

It’s also a bit awkward that he supports a president that want to annex the country he’s the captain of the capital of

There are Americans in key roles on all the Canadian franchises. It is what it is.

 

[Silencio]

I'll be honest, the ugly atmosphere around this tournament and the quotes from Guerin and the US players have taken some of the excitement out of Ottawa's playoff chase for me. Like, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to cheer for Brady Tkachuk and Jake Sanderson when they apparently support a president who wants to annex my country. I've seen similar talk from Leafs fans about Matthews. Yes I know every Canadian team has American players, and normally I'm able to put politics aside when watching sports, but it feels different now.

 

[De Montreal]

I'll be honest, the ugly atmosphere around this tournament and the quotes from Guerin and the US players have taken some of the excitement out of Ottawa's playoff chase for me. Like, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to cheer for Brady Tkachuk and Jake Sanderson when they apparently support a president who wants to annex my country. I've seen similar talk from Leafs fans about Matthews. Yes I know every Canadian team has American players, and normally I'm able to put politics aside when watching sports, but it feels different now.

I mean, same. I was disappointed with how tone deaf Caufield was when he was asked about the booing of the anthem. He basically said people should just pay, come to the game and only open their mouth to cheer when the home team scores.

 

[jbeck5]

I'll be honest, the ugly atmosphere around this tournament and the quotes from Guerin and the US players have taken some of the excitement out of Ottawa's playoff chase for me. Like, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to cheer for Brady Tkachuk and Jake Sanderson when they apparently support a president who wants to annex my country. I've seen similar talk from Leafs fans about Matthews. Yes I know every Canadian team has American players, and normally I'm able to put politics aside when watching sports, but it feels different now.

Same.

How can players not see that it's completely normal to be pissed at what trump has been saying or doing?

It's very tone deaf.

They can't see that citizens are upset that their sovereignty is being threatened?

They literally just have to read the newspaper for 2 mins, or look at social media for 30 seconds, and they should understand why Canadians are pissed.

They should also be able to see it from our point of view with about 10 brain cells. How would THEY feel if another country questioned their sovereignty? Obviously they would take offense and get confrontational...so why not be more understanding?

They aren't politicians, but to be so tone deaf is kinda crazy. Doesn't take a grade 8 education to understand what's going on, and even though they probably missed a lot of high school class rooms, should have atleast the intelligence of an 8th grader in their 20s.

 

[NyQuil]

They should also be able to see it from our point of view with about 10 brain cells.

That's asking a lot.

I bet Sanderson doesn't support Trump though lol.

But at the same time most NHLers probably do because taxes.

That and he sells simple solutions to complex problems which is very appealing to people who don't know any better.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Of course their views are slanted and largely uneducated. There will be outliers, but the nature of their profession dictates that they're too wealthy and "important" to really care or be impacted by political decisions. They are not like us.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I hear so many celebrities that lived the life you describe but show empathy.

Or maybe they're just putting on an empathic show to gain more fans?

Good question. I'm sure a lot of it is putting on a show for public goodwill.

 

[maclean]

I guess by extension self-centred, i.e. only seeing things from their own perspective.

As to the latter, other celebrities definitely have more necessary interaction with the public at large, sports figures only usually need to communicate in terms of their performance and tend to be much more isolated into their own bubble, to say nothing of which way that bubble tends to slant.

 

[Tuna99]

So you want Canadians to boo the US anthem, and Americans to boo the Canadian anthem?

If this is what you’re advising, then what’s next, stomping on each others flags?




Booing another country's national anthem at a sporting event is highly disrespectful and inappropriate. National anthems are a symbol of a country's pride, history, and culture. Disrespecting another nation's anthem can be seen as a form of hostility, and it could escalate tensions between countries.

Relax man, it’s just booing. Don’t make it out to be an act of war. Your hair is on fire over nothing. We are hockey fans, not soldiers. Chill out

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Sports and politics crossing lines is not a new thing and there's many examples of it being a good thing for human history. I don't agree at all with the sentiment that these guys should "dribble a basketball and shut up", even though the people clapping back at them (Candace Owens in this quote) are out there on their own platforms spreading lies and misinformation like politics is just a silly shell game in the first place. Same applies to the paid attendees. It's not some honorable institution that needs protection.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Agreed, for everyday league games. Other than Lyndon Slewidge, our organization tends to turn it into a make-a-wish showcase for amateur vocalists in Ottawa anyways, and it's often a painful, drawn out experience.

But on an international stage, I like the anthems as is. Just not booed.

Ya it is a subjective thing obviously as opinions seem to vary wildly. I don't begrudge anyone for their opinion on it and only mean to give my own more than judge others. I've always tried to record and skip anthems along with commercials & commentary, even for big games, but I had a friend that would stand there like a f***ing goof with his hat over his heart in my living room and insist we watch anthems lol. I could not relate to that at all, but I would usually indulge him and go get food or something. For some it's about showing respect for veterans which I can respect.

 

[De Montreal]

You guys should trade Brady to his brother team for Reinhart and Bennett hehe

 

[Micklebot]

Yeah, I don't understand how anyone could suggest we remove the platform where we can be heard the most.

People are suggesting we complain in the mirror of our powder room to reach a broader audience don't make any sense....or those suggesting we just keep our mouth shut make even less sense.

People will not get a nationally televised broadcast to show their displeasure in a way that can reach the world...other than these games.

These are legitimately the BEST platform to boo and show your displeasure.

it's no different than Kaepernick kneeling during the anthem, except that the league can't exile the crowd to make it all disappear.

The whole point of public protest is to do something that makes people uncomfortable to bring attention or voice displeasure with a position, it's got to be done in a venue where it will impact people. If you can avoid being exposed to protests showing Canadian's displeasure with what's going on, then the protest isn't effective.

 

[Senscore]

You guys should trade Brady to his brother team for Reinhart and Bennett hehe

If we do it before the summer we can trade him literally anywhere.


Couldn't give a shit if he wants to play with his brother.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

If we do it before the summer we can trade him literally anywhere.


Couldn't give a shit if he wants to play with his brother.

If fairness, Bennett+Reinhart would be a really good return(assuming Bennett extends that is).

 

[Hale The Villain]

If we do it before the summer we can trade him literally anywhere.


Couldn't give a shit if he wants to play with his brother.

And we should seriously consider it.

Tkachuk family is absolutely ruthless in negotiations and could very well pressure Brady to request a trade once he gets his NMC.

Don't think he'd do so immediately after gaining the clause but if we take a step back next year, could easily see it happening, at which point we'd have a lot less leverage and ability to garner a fair trade return than we would prior to this summer.

If some asset rich team is willing to offer a king's ransom for Brady before July 1st, Staios has to at least consider it.