I Warned You About Marner

[Lafleurs Guy]

Most of team Canada played terrible, the game isn’t solely on Marner

I wouldn’t say Canada played terrible. I would say they failed to adjust their game plan when the US started playing trap hockey. It’s not like they were blown out, they just need to adjust the game plan. Marner doesn’t really fit with that plan though.

 

[Lenny Levino]

I mean Matthews has been awful too. I guess it negates

Nylander has been the worst player on Team Sweden as well. There's something rotten going on in Toronto...

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Canada beat the US by 1 goal with a prime luongo and a much better team then a much less talented team USA in 2010. Canada beat US by 1 goal with a prime Carey Price and a much better team with a less talented team USA in 2014. This loss is on binnington. If we had elite goaltending, we beat Sweden 3-2 and US 1-0, but don’t. Move on to hill and cross your fingers and toes

Binnington made some nice stops in the two games we’ve seen. But the softies are killing us. You can’t let softies in like that in this kind of tournament, it will kill you.

Canada should’ve won in regulation on game one and last night I felt the teams were pretty evenly matched with the IS then going into its shell. They don’t do that without the lead and they don’t get that lead without the softie. The margin of error is very slim and you can’t be letting in easy goals if you want to win.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Marner is an extremely talented hockey player but he’s a certified loser when it comes to playing winning hockey. He won’t ever sacrifice to make the hard play. He had one year he blocked like 3 shots at the end of the game and hasn’t done anything since. You don’t win with guys like Marner.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

It's not just one player, too often in the game one of 2 things happened when canada had the puck..

1. they looked for the perfect play instead of attacking the ent.

2. they slowed the play down and literally guys were standing still.

I hope they inject more speed, pace and attack for the Olympics.

What did the Ents do to you? I liked Treebeard.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Marner wasn't great but who was? Seems odd to single him out. Reinhart has been 100% worse, can't even handle a puck at least Marner is trying to make things happen.

Matthews hasn't scored, but he's been tasked to be the shutdown center and did a good job of keeping McDavid pretty quiet all night.

All in all, thread is pretty easy to see as what it is. Won't say the word...

The reason he’s singled out is because he’s getting top six minutes with our best players.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Goalie is always the easy out but he more than made up for the questionable ones with the massive saves later.

Pretty hard to blame the goalie when the most talented team on the planet can only give him one goal.

It’s a dogfight. You expect your goalie to make some tough saves. You go in knowing he’s not going to stop every shot.

But you cannot let in soft goals like that. He’s given up three in two games.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

We need lock down goaltending. Price only got 1 goal for support. No one complained about the offence then.

Well, I did. But that was a long time ago and Price was the best player in that tournament so it didn’t matter.

And I don’t expect Binnington to be Carey Price. But the can’t keep up giving soft goals. I don’t think that’s too high a bar.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

I actually believe Tom Wilson would bring more to this team than Marner has so far. This Canadian team lacks grit and size compared to past teams.

 

[HockeyVirus]

The reason he’s singled out is because he’s getting top six minutes with our best players.

So is Reinhart

 

[sportsdynasty]

I'd rather have Mark Schiefele on the team over Mitch Marner any day. Some terrible decisions in selecting the roster. Also, where is Logan Thompson to start for Canada in net? Where is Dougie Hamilton on D? Drew Doughty is washed up.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

So is Reinhart

Feel free to make a Reinhart thread...

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Canada beat the US by 1 goal with a prime luongo and a much better team then a much less talented team USA in 2010. Canada beat US by 1 goal with a prime Carey Price and a much better team with a less talented team USA in 2014. This loss is on binnington. If we had elite goaltending, we beat Sweden 3-2 and US 1-0, but don’t. Move on to hill and cross your fingers and toes

Only reason that 2010 US team was as amazing as it was that tournament was because of Ryan Miller. Dude had a 940 and a 1 GAA. Also goaltending was always an issue for Canada, Binnington blows and I assume Hill gets the nod v Finland on Monday but it's rearranging decks chairs on the Titanic. I'm surprised they didn't leave a spot open to a guy having a sick year this year like a Blackwood or Thompson tbh

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'd rather have Mark Schiefele on the team over Mitch Marner any day. Some terrible decisions in selecting the roster. Also, where is Logan Thompson to start for Canada in net? Where is Dougie Hamilton on D? Drew Doughty is washed up.

I don't know if Doughty is washed up but bringing him back from injury is rough. That play last night where he just gave the puck away... Man.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Marner was really frustrating last night and he plays like a dead p***y-willow tree when there is a need for physicality but he was one of many last night.

He can definitely be a double-edged sword and last night most of his damage was self-inflicted, but he can slice very powerfully in the other direction. Often, at 6-on-5 or up a man, he is the one who can materialize something out of anything.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

The reason he’s singled out is because he’s getting top six minutes with our best players.

Guess you better take it up with 2 time Stanley Cup Champion and longest tenured NHL coach Jon Cooper.

What does he know anyway.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Guess you better take it up with 2 time Stanley Cup Champion and longest tenured NHL coach Jon Cooper.

What does he know anyway.

Cooper's going to do what he's going to do. We are allowed to question it. That's why there are message boards.

Like I said, I would love to see Marner score a hat trick in every game if it means Canada wins. There's no denying his talent. But he has not shown up in big moments. That was the basis for my skepticism and for the most part he's been exactly as I thought he'd be. A few nice plays but mostly invisible.

Full marks to him on the clutch goal. I'd love for him to prove me wrong. But he's eating up a lot of ice time and not really doing much.

 

[Mathieukferland]

For one of the more apt descriptions of Marner’s efforts last night, here is Gilbert Delorme saying the marner "sh*t his pants" last night

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Marner is a guy when he's relaxed he's fantastic. When Canada had that powerplay early on, he showed how good he can be.

But when there's pressure on him, he really crumbles harder than most. He just doesn't know how to adapt his game to the extra intensity, he'll panic and start forcing things, either thinking too fast or taking too long. His rhythm gets completely thrown off.

 

[ORRFForever]

This may be the BEST thread I've ever started. (smile)

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My point is...

If I'd taken a poll before this tournament and asked, "Which Canadian player is most likely to make a NO LOOK pass, 6 on 5, with 2 minutes left, and lose the puck when we need it most", Marner would have gotten 90% of the votes. LOL.

I just don't know why he is like he is...

* In 2013, at the World Juniors, he tried to do it all himself and he was a turnover machine.
* In the playoffs for the Leafs, he's had a handful of "Puck Over Glass" penalties at the worst possible times.
* Now... Last night.

If we win Monday, none of this matters but, after ALL the grief I got for YEARS after warning everyone about Marner, I have to say...

I TOLD YOU SO !!!!

Of course, if Marner steps up and helps us win, I will be happy to eat crow. Please let me know when it is served.

 

[DitchMarner]

Marner is a guy when he's relaxed he's fantastic. When Canada had that powerplay early on, he showed how good he can be.

But when there's pressure on him, he really crumbles harder than most. He just doesn't know how to adapt his game to the extra intensity, he'll panic and start forcing things, either thinking too fast or taking too long. His rhythm gets completely thrown off.

I think there's truth to this.

He seems to lack the attributes needed to adequately handle pressure and overcome strong resistance.

Sure, he's not the biggest guy and he relies more on finesse than physicality, but he doesn't exactly shine in terms of skill or creativity when the going gets tough, either. Maybe it's a mental or psychological thing. Maybe he simply doesn't have the make-up to be a hero.

That said, he hasn't been terrible in this tournament, and he did score that one big goal. I don't think his play warrants being singled out, even if he did make a stupid pass late in the game.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Feel free to make a Reinhart thread...

Well the Marner thread is here. Marner is also killing penalties on PK1

 

[ORRFForever]

I think there's truth to this.

He seems to lack the attributes needed to adequately handle pressure and overcome strong resistance.

Sure, he's not the biggest guy and he relies more on finesse than physicality, but he doesn't exactly shine in terms of skill or creativity when the going gets tough, either. Maybe it's a mental or psychological thing. Maybe he simply doesn't have the make-up to be a hero.

That said, he hasn't been terrible in this tournament, and he did score that one big goal. I don't think his play warrants being singled out, even if he did make a stupid pass late in the game.

Mitch is uber talented and being "fancy" during the regular season pays off because the games are not tight or physical. Then he tries the same "fanciness" in tight / hard games and it comes back to haunt his team.

I wish he'd learn but he won't.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This may be the BEST thread I've ever started. (smile)

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My point is...

If I'd taken a poll before this tournament and asked, "Which Canadian player is most likely to make a NO LOOK pass, 6 on 5, with 2 minutes left, and lose the puck when we need it most", Marner would have gotten 90% of the votes. LOL.

I just don't know why he is like he is...

* In 2013, at the World Juniors, he tried to do it all himself and he was a turnover machine.
* In the playoffs for the Leafs, he's had a handful of "Puck Over Glass" penalties at the worst possible times.
* Last night.

If we win Monday, none of this matters but, after ALL the grief I got for YEARS after warning everyone about Marner, I have to say...

I TOLD YOU SO !!!!

Of course, if Marner steps up and helps us win, I will be happy to eat crow. Please let me know when it is served.

You're going overboard.

The guy scored the game winner in game one. As much as I'm skeptical and wasn't in favour of him coming on board you have to acknowledge that he did come up big. Harping on one play is silly too.

 

[ORRFForever]

Marner is a guy when he's relaxed he's fantastic. When Canada had that powerplay early on, he showed how good he can be.

But when there's pressure on him, he really crumbles harder than most. He just doesn't know how to adapt his game to the extra intensity, he'll panic and start forcing things, either thinking too fast or taking too long. His rhythm gets completely thrown off.

Well said.