I think Islanders are the dark horse of the East this season.

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Some pundits are writing off Islanders due to their lack of activity this off season but I think on paper they are much more competitive than people give them credit.

Starting off with offense. Many may look at the Islanders offense numbers from the last 2 seasons and "think" that this team lacks offensive talent but I think the numbers don't say the whole story. The Islanders numbers were deceivingly low simply because of highly restrictive defensive minded system Barry Trotz had them playing since he took the reins 3 years ago. Prior to that the Islanders were a top 10 offensive team but were horrible at defense. Trotz fixed that literally over night and the Isles became the stingiest team on defense but sacrificed offense as a result. Sure the Isles lost John Tavares but they added players like Palmieri, Pageau, Zach Parise, Kieffer Bellows, Wahlstrom, and Dobson. They also have prospects Aatu Ratu and Dufour waiting in the wings. The rest of the team prior to Barry Trotz was chock full of at least 20 point players in Barzal, Lee, Brock Nelson, Bailey, and Beavillier and these players are still here. Sure starting to show some of their age but all still well within their prime. In addition the "best 4th line in hockey" will still be intact going into next year. It was the latter players that beat teams such as the Florida Panthers and the Pittsburgh Penguins a few years back in their playoff runs. I think with the addition of the other players added since John Tavares this is a much much more offensively talented team than when JT was our captain. It was just the defensive minded game Trotz was having the team play that kept their offense under wraps.

Looking at the Isles defensive core. They have to have one of the best defenses in the league from the goaltender out. We didn't have Sorokin or Varlamov during the JT years. Pelech and Pulock were just entering their primes. Now we have the highly skilled Dobson, the explosive Romanov, stalwart bruiser Mayfield. They can have one of Salo, Aho, or Hutton filling in the last position. Subtracting Chara and Greene this year as they did and all of a sudden the Islanders have a much faster, younger defense and overall the team has become much younger overall compared to last year. If this is the year Sorokin takes over as the #1 goaltender this team will dominate on defense for years to come.

As ex-Pen's player Ray Whitney commented this summer:

"I'm telling you right now, you can talk all you want about the goaltender for the New York Rangers, but (explicit) Sorokin is sick on Long Island. I'm telling you the Islanders are going to be a team to be reckoned with this season."

"They're gonna be a (explicit) good team, man. Their whole season was the biggest collaboration of bad luck I've ever seen a team have. They had to start the whole season on the road, they all got Covid, no canceled games, and then all of a sudden they started canceling every team's games when guys got Covid. There was no chance they (could) come back (after all that). The roster the year before had gone to the Eastern Conference Final, actually both years before. The Islanders are very good and will be very good this year."

So the Islanders might not have done much this offseason in regards to the roster but I agree with Lou, the Islanders are a good team and maybe just needed a more balanced system to take them to the next level. We'll see how the year plays out.
I’ll be surprised if the NYI make the playoffs. Are they better than.

Tampa
Toronto
Carolina
Rangers
Florida
Boston
Penguins
Caps
————
Devils
Ottawa
Columbus

I’d say you’re well ahead of the Habs, Red Wings, Buffalo and Philly. But I could easily see a scenario where the NYIs are drafting somewhere between 8-12th OA in 2023 using their natural selection.
 
One of the notable things about the Isles is that there will be only 5 players who were not drafted by the Isles playing for the team. Most are former Isles 1st round picks. The handful were later round gems like Andrés Lee, Pelech, Sorokin, Cizikas, and Martin. Not a bad job at building through the draft.

Just looking at the 5 players who the Isles traded for tells you all you need to know about the character of this team. No spectators or pretty boys allowed.

Clutterbuck
Romanov
Palmieri
Pageau
Parise

Romanov is quite pretty though...

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Walman, Oesterle or Maata?

They're all bad.
All much, MUCH better than Cholowski who isn’t even an NHL player. You’re also ignoring our likely best LD in Edvisson.

I’ve also never stated them as a reason why the Wings will do better. It’s not an argument that can be made that Detroit didn’t improve their team by a MUCH higher standard than NYI
 
I’ll be surprised if the NYI make the playoffs. Are they better than.

Tampa
Toronto
Carolina
Rangers
Florida
Boston
Penguins
Caps
————
Devils
Ottawa
Columbus

I’d say you’re well ahead of the Habs, Red Wings, Buffalo and Philly. But I could easily see a scenario where the NYIs are drafting somewhere between 8-12th OA in 2023 using their natural selection.
Meh, I see Tampa as the only real threat to the Isles on that list. Sure those other teams will place higher in the standings come season end, but they are padding their stats playing other girly teams with their long flowing hair and girly moves.

It’s like watching two all male ballet troupes bump and grinding on a thin sheet of ice like a GAYDAR wielding fan’s wet dream.

The Isles play a man’s game. They are built for the playoffs. All they have to do is make it in and no one wants to face them.
 
Meh, I see Tampa as the only real threat to the Isles on that list. Sure those other teams will place higher in the standings come season end, but they are padding their stats playing other girly teams with their long flowing hair and girly moves.

It’s like watching two all male ballet troupes bump and grinding on a thin sheet of ice like a GAYDAR wielding fan’s wet dream.

The Isles play a man’s game. They are built for the playoffs. All they have to do is make it in and no one wants to face them.
The islanders play 2001 era clutch and grab hockey. They excel at dump ins and chip outs. You beat them by out scoring them, which means you need to score about 2 goals to win.
 
Well, I'm not sure the islanders are being written off, but like others have said, the competition to make the playoffs is strong.

Who will be the team thar they overtake to make the playoffs this year?
 
Hockey fan first and Isles fan second. I just don't see it. I am hopeful and optimistic, but a fan. Too many variables have to fall into place. First, what type of team is Lambert going to put out there? If it's a modified Barry team that relies on defensive structure and maybe he opens things up on the offensive side.

The top tier of teams in the east are solid from top to bottom in their lineup. Most of them are young and driven. Some teams will learn from playoff hockey last year and are ready for the next step.

Isles team is long in the tooth up front and not sure how they perform in an 82 game season. If it was a straight hockey tournament without the regular season, I feel they could pick off and grind teams down.

Let's just drop the puck already!
 
TL;DR

Is Parise coming back with the Isles this season?

EDIT: Never mind, I see he extended for another year.
 
I think they nab a WC spot. They're a solid team but I don't think I can comfortably have them above any of CAR/NYR/PIT/WSH.

With a new coach, things can go super well or super disastrous. This first year is a big one for Lambert.
 
Haha. The Metro will be more of a crapshoot than people realize. Islanders could finish top or bottom 4 and I wouldn’t blink.
 
They're not that good of a team, don't have the offense. Matt Barzal isn't going to take this team to a cup.
 
Yeah they do have a lot of "at least 20 pt players". I don't think that makes a darkhorse.
 
You should have led with the Islanders arguably having the best goalie tandem in the NHL. The few teams with better individual goalies have some comparatively dodgy pairings.

Dobson helped in a giant area of weakness, offense from the blue line. That’s one player though and sophomore slumps for defensemen are very common.

Defensive depth is improved with Romanov, assuming he works out on the team. That needed fixing the most so at least Lou did address it.

Where does more offense come from though?

Barzal has obviously done more in the past.

Beauvillier should bounce back, his low shooting % was out of character.

Maybe Wahlstrom does more. Bellows… eh…

Maybe Palmieri’s atrocious start was an aberration and maybe he contributes closer to his more usual rate.

Dobson already had a breakout season with 51 points and 13 goals, I don’t see him adding offense next season.

But Parise playing 82 games and scoring 15 goals isn’t something one can exactly count on when he’s 38. I don’t think Nelson scores 37 goals again.

The other older forwards mostly just seem to be following the age curve as expected. Maybe Lee is stronger after a season from ACL surgery.

The team lost Eberle too. Two good prospects debuting in the AHL isn’t all that impressive.

If they open up their play to generate more offense then they will lose some of their characteristic defensive stinginess. Which means it will come down to relying a lot on their goaltending.

They seem like they could be ok if they manage to find the offense. Not sure that’s something to be excited about but if a fan wants to be hopeful, then have at it. That’s what preseason’s for.
 
Meh, I see Tampa as the only real threat to the Isles on that list. Sure those other teams will place higher in the standings come season end, but they are padding their stats playing other girly teams with their long flowing hair and girly moves.

It’s like watching two all male ballet troupes bump and grinding on a thin sheet of ice like a GAYDAR wielding fan’s wet dream.

The Isles play a man’s game. They are built for the playoffs. All they have to do is make it in and no one wants to face them.
Lou, is that you?
 
This thread is a good indication that - at most - the Islanders are a dark horse…. which I think a lot of fans will take to the bank and cash because they believe in players getting better with experience, not worse. Wahlstrom, Bellows and Romanov should all be better. Sorokin and Dobson are other young guys who are superb. The key will be the vets holding serve or bouncing back. This team needs to see more out of Barzal and Beauvillier, specifically.
 
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